Ancient Anger: The Philosophers by Monika Karpowicz https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4 en-us 2018-11-27 17:05:23 UTC 2025-10-23 15:09:27 UTC hello@padlet.com Maddie Velazquez https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308976285 1) Anger is an emotion that all of us; positively, it can help us relieve stress from a hard day's work, but negatively, it can control our actions to the point of harm to ourselves and others. Seneca had said, "The best plan is to reject straightaway the first incentives to anger, to resist its very beginnings, and to take care not to be betrayed into it" (Seneca 5). Seneca is saying that even though anger is an emotion that we all have in common with each other, we should steer away from it right away once it comes into our hands and into our lives. Seneca also had stated, "In the next place, anger has nothing useful in itself, and does not rouse up the mind to warlike deeds" (Seneca 5). Here, it is possible that Seneca is explaining that there is no need for anger, that anger has nothing in itself to be deemed useful at all.

2) There is a way that a war can be without anger. Seneca has said, "We have no need of external weapons, nature has equipped us sufficiently by giving us reason" (Seneca 9). Reason is something that is has more power than anger itself as Seneca says, "Reason suffices by itself not merely to take thought for the future, but to manager our affairs" (Seneca 9). Though anger is inside of a war, reason is the most powerful weapon that can be used to defeat any enemy in the way. 

3) Seneca had quoted from Plato, "'No wise man punishes any one because he has sinned, but that he may sin no more: for what is past cannot be recalled, but what is to come may be checked'" (Seneca 11). If someone has been hurt close to you, you don't punish them because they did the crime, but you punish them because they shouldn't do the crime anymore. You only punish to stop the crime from happening again, which is where that even if the crime is already completed, you can keep it from happening again by checking on the criminal. ]]> 2018-11-28 18:47:53 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308976285 Jake See https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308979875 1) Seneca does not agree with the use of anger as they believe that its soul purpose is simply to destroy, taking aim at any sort innocence it can find. Even when suppressed it slowly eats away at the person and those around them. Anger cannot be controlled "it is angry with the truth itself, if it comes to light against its will: it assails those whom it has marked for its victims with shouting and riotous noise and gesticulation of the entire body, together with reproaches and curses."(Seneca 10).
2) Aristotle argues that anger can be focused upon the fighting and war, Seneca disagrees stating that "We have no need of external weapons, nature has equipped us sufficiently by giving us reason. She has bestowed this weapon upon us, which is strong, imperishable, and obedient to our will, not uncertain or capable of being turned against its master."(Seneca 9).
3) Seneca states that the only thing that came out of avenging the death of a family member is that two people die. When Seneca states "What could be more unworthy than this? Because one was proved to be innocent, two perished."(Seneca 10). This shows that Seneca finds that there is no positives that come out of avenging a loved one.]]> 2018-11-28 18:53:07 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308979875 Grace Garcia https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308980764 Anger is an emotion that is natural and needs to be controlled and she does agree with that however Seneca believes we should not have wars and that anger is not a good thing. "raging with an utterly inhuman right lust for arms" ]]> 2018-11-28 18:54:18 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308980764 Grace Vincent https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308987033 1. Anger is an emotion that all of us have and need to learn to control. Seneca mentions that some people believe that anger is a natural and necessary emotion to experience but that we should control and moderate anger, he disagrees with this. "It is easier to banish dangerous passions than to rule them; it is easier not to admit them than to keep them in order when admitted". Seneca is saying that you can banish a certain feeling and it is easier.
2. No fight can be won without angry. He feel that angry is has it faults, "It is loath to be ruled: it is angry with the truth  itself"
3. You should not react to crimes with such angry and he says this is because "Not thus does reason act: but if it must be so, she silently and quietly wipes out whole households.]]> 2018-11-28 19:03:41 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308987033 Kailey Gustafson https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308996689 1.) Humans were created with the need to feel emotions, including anger. Anger can be perceived as necessary or a burden depending on how you comprehend it. While Seneca agrees that anger is a natural emotion, he does not believe that it is necessary. He acknowledges that anger is inside all of us and cannot be eliminated because it is in our human nature to feel irritation. He also believes that “we must ourselves pretend to feel anger, fear or pity before we can make others feel them” (Seneca 17). Even though Seneca recognizes that anger is a part of us he does not find it essential. Although it is impactful to know how others are feeling Seneca believes that it is easier to relieve ourselves from wrath in order to have a clear mindset. 
2.) When it comes to the necessity of anger, Aristotle takes a stance on the matter by using anger as an example of motivation. On the other hand, Seneca disagrees and views anger as “monstruos a thing it is that one man should rage against another, with frantic violence he rushes to destroy...and is the slave of a senseless disorder?” (Seneca 3). Seneca believes that it is wrong to be motivated by anger because it makes one almost barbaric. Seneca thinks that people should be able to make clear decisions without the influence of anger. 
3.) Instead of feeling wrath towards the murderer, Seneca is a firm believer that one should feel only that it is their duty to seek vengeance. If “My father will be murdered: then i will defend him: he has been slain, then i will avenge him, not because i am grieved, but because it is my duty” (Seneca 12) to avenge your family members without being blinded by rage. Seneca notes that it is not one's place to carry out defence through anger, but simply because it is their duty to do so. 

]]> 2018-11-28 19:16:32 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308996689 Maddie Velazquez https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308997298 1) Though anger is something that can and cannot be controlled, it does not help in the cases of bravery for "anger does not therefore come to assist courage, but to take its place" (Seneca 8). Seneca had explained that anger does not help bravery in the wars by men, but it rather takes the place of bravery and consumes the mind of men in the war. Men that are supposedly better than others are more likely to be short tempered, or as Seneca put it, "The better the man is, the more irascible he will be" (Seneca 8). Seneca had also stated that even though anger is an emotion that we all feel, we shouldn't punish what the mind is feeling. He had said, "For since anger is a crime of the mind, it is not right that sins should be punished by sins" (Seneca 8). We should not punish anger by going against it with more anger; you can't fight fire with more fire as it just causes more fire, more anger from within. Seneca then explains that reason is more powerful than anger, that anger has no real power inside but control, that reason is a more powerful weapon than that of anger.

2) I think that a flaw in Seneca's points of view is that anger is not necessarily uncontrollable. There are different ways that you can control your own anger now, so when he had said that we become uncontrollable with anger, we have ways now to figure out how to deal with the anger. I understand that anger is a negative emotion to feel, but it can also be a positive emotion. People who go through a trauma that makes them angry and furious gives them a healthy way to express their feelings instead of becoming saddened and depressed. Anger is both a positive motivator and a negative motivator at the same time, so to say that anger is a "controlling demon" is false, or can be seen as false. ]]> 2018-11-28 19:17:30 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/308997298 Morgan H https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309110107 Seneca disagrees with this assertion because he believes anger is an awful emotion and that anger cannot be controlled. She explains that when someone is consumed with anger, they loose themselves, and perform irrational behavior. He states, "For when they have established themselves in possession of the mind they are more powerful than the lawful ruler, and will in no wise permit themselves to be weakened or abridged" (Seneca 4).

 Seneca disagrees with Aristotle's claim that no fight can be won without anger in reason of him believing that war can be won in a different way without anger. Anger is a weakness. He says, "Whereas anger is often overcome by pity: for it possesses no firm strength, but merely swells like an empty bladder, and makes a violent beginning" (Seneca 10). 

Seneca believes that one could still seek revenge without being angry by simply waiting and being mindful. He explains that reason allows the discovery of truth. Seneca writes, "Reason gives each side a time to plead; moreover, she herself demands adjournment, that she may have sufficient scope for the discovery of truth; whereas anger is in a hurry: reason wishes to give a just decision" (Seneca 10). ]]> 2018-11-29 01:37:18 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309110107 Morgan H https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309120695 Seneca developed the ultimate belief that if you were able to control your anger, you will have been successful in taming the wildest of the emotions. He goes on to explain how anger is the most dangerous because it is the least visible. He deeply believes that anger is awful by defining it as a binary emotion that cannot be slowed down. He implies that the moment you realize you are angry, you are out of control. He also describes how terrible anger is by saying that when we are angry, we are a slave to that anger. Anger creates future blindness, forcing our rational selves a slave to a lower mode of consciousness. Seneca's main aim for writing this article is to display that we must resist and restrain anger. 

I think Seneca makes a weak statement when he explains that when we are angry, we are out of control. I understand anger as a motivator. For instance, when I miss a shot or turnover the ball in basketball, I get angry, however, I use it to make me bounce back up stronger instead of getting mad doing things that are not helpful to the team. Many people know how to relax or handle themselves when they get angry. ]]> 2018-11-29 02:41:10 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309120695 Grace Vincent https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309356674 Seneca believes that if your able to become angry but be in total control of it you will be successful. When you get angry you tend to go blind to certain things. Somethings like listening to the other person point will go blind to you because your emotions are getting the best of you. That is why he says you can get angry but if you can control what it does to you and how you act will make a difference in your life.
Something he says that are weak, saying how out of control some are. I feel that sometimes angry can you do things that are good. Peaceful protesting that has been driven by angry is good. ]]> 2018-11-29 15:43:45 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309356674 Jake See https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309482054 Seneca believes that though angry is inevitable, that if you are able to tame it with complete control, you will be successful in life. Seneca believes that anger is a destructive emotion. The destruction grows and spreads to those around you including friends and family. They believe that though sinning can be fixed through warning and force, but anger is something that cannot be fixed and leads to the removal from society. Anger stems from the individual feeling the emotion. Anger leads to you becoming controlled by disgrace. Aristotle believes that in curtain anger can be put to good use. Lastly they believe that anger removes the ability to rationalize and think through problems, instead it causes you to rush through decisions. 
B) I understand that anger is an emotion and cannot be suppressed into oblivion, therefore believe that it is impossible to completely control it. With this I believe that anger can be used in positive ways, not meaning violence, but as a motivator for change.]]> 2018-11-29 18:47:11 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309482054 Maddie Velazquez https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309483857 1) Aristotle has said that "The man who is angry at the right things and with the right people, and, further, as he ought, when he ought, and as long as he ought, is praised" (Aristotle 1). You have to be angry at the right people for the right things at the right times.

2) You should get angry at the people that "laugh, mock, or jeer at us" (Aristotle 2); these are the people that bring you down and want to make you feel inferior. You should also get angry at people "who inflict injuries upon us that are marks of insolence" (Aristotle 2); these people are those that want to hurt you. You should get angry at people "who speak ill of us, and show contempt for us, in connexion with the things we ourselves most care about" (Aristotle 2). You should get angry at people "who pride themselves upon their appearance get angry with those who show contempt for their appearance and so on in other cases" (Aristotle 2) and "if we suspect that we are in fact, or that people think we are, lacking completely or to any effective extent in the qualities in question" (Aristotle 2).

3) The first circumstance is the one that angers me the most. It is so true that the people that laugh at someone else that the victim deserves to be angry. I have had experiences where people have laughed at me and mocked me that I got angry at them, but they back lashed at me and said that "It's a joke," or "Calm down," but it is not possible to laugh at someone and then say that it is a joke or tell them to calm down when you know that you have started a fight you can't win. ]]> 2018-11-29 18:49:54 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309483857 Jordan Bennett https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309487726 A) Seneca argues disagrees with that assumption because most of the worlds problems stem from anger. Seneca states "you will see slaughtering and poisonings, accusations and counter accusations, sacking of cities, ruin of whole people, the persons of princes sold into slavery by auction, torches applied to roofs, and fires not merely confined within city-walls but making whole tracts of country glow with hostile flame. See the foundations of the most celebrated cities hardly now to be discerned; they were ruined by anger. (Seneca 2)

Seneca claims that it is more of an excitement to inflict punishment than an action created through anger. "When he speaks of beasts being angry he means that they are excited, roused up: for indeed they know no more how to be angry than they know how to pardon. (Seneca 2)

Seneca claims that it is not anger, but rather a manly desire to do what a man is supposed to do. He uses the example of "My father will be murdered: then I will defend him: he has been slain, then I will avenge him, not because I am grieved, but because it is my duty." (Seneca 7)


]]> 2018-11-29 18:55:29 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309487726 Jake See https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309491740 1)Aristotle believes that when angry at the right things and people, it is okay to embrace. In the contrary when a person is "not angry at the things they should be angry at are thought to be foolish"(Aristotle 1).
2) being mocked, those who inflict injuries upon us, those who speak ill of us, those who disregard our situations.
3) Those who inflict injuries onto us or those you love. Personally there specific situations where I would condone anger. For example, if someone were to inflict any pain on my mom, it's go time. No holding back. ]]> 2018-11-29 19:01:36 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309491740 Grace Vincent https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309492294 1. I see people getting angry when they see things that aren't just or when they are taken advantage of "the anger caused by the slight is felt towards people who are not justified in slighting us, and inferiors are not thus justified." 
2. "We feel angry with friends if they do not speak well of us or treat us well"
"Angry at those who rejoice at our misfortunes"
"Bringers of bad news"
"Who listen to stories about us or keep on looking at our weaknesses"
"Either hate us or are slighting us"
3. Those whom we wish to admire us, wanting to for someone to see something of you. ]]> 2018-11-29 19:02:29 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309492294 Maddie Velazquez https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309500403 1: The first reason I have a right to be angry is if someone talks smack and trash about someone close to me. It is so irritating that someone can talk smack about someone that they don't know can cause confusion, which then leads to fighting, which then leads to people getting hurt in a physical or emotional way. The second reason I have a right to be angry is if someone doesn't understand the problems and issues that I go through, or they say that they understand when they don't. You don't say that you can understand the pain I go through without seeing it through my shoes. The third reason I have a right to be angry is if someone is talking smack about myself behind my back. It has happened before when I have been on social media in a negative way, so I hate it when it does go on the social media and I get trashed for it.

2: A reason that I shouldn't get angry is the petty fights that I can get into. Sure, it may be something that it a huge deal to me, but in the end, it doesn't matter since I'll forget about it soon. Another is the fact that I get angry over small things; I know that it will pass over, but sometimes I linger on about the feeling or event that happened. Another reason is how I sometimes don't have things go to what I thought my plans had in mind. I know it's silly to think that you "play by ear" about plans, but if I don't have a concrete plan about what to do, where to go, when to do it, makes so overly irritated.]]> 2018-11-29 19:16:21 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309500403 Jake See https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309500584 1)Like stated before, injuring those who you care for or those who cannot defend themselves. Another would be someone speaking bad about you with malicious intent. 
Lastly would be someone damaging expensive goods. 
2) Someone disagreeing with you. Someone committing a minor accident. Someone  giving constructive criticism. ]]> 2018-11-29 19:16:40 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309500584 Jordan Bennett https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309589219 1) Seneca's basic argument is that anger is evil. Seneca argues that anger is something that can get the best of us but can be controlled. He states that most of the worlds problems can be brought back to anger. Things like the fall of nations and the wars of the world. He also refutes Aristotle's claim that anger is required to win a battle. 

2) The concept that anger is something that shouldn't be expressed because that's not good for you is wrong. No one ever felt worse for getting a little angry, it's completely natural and it will only make people more stressed and likely to explode if they don't get it out.]]> 2018-11-29 22:46:40 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309589219 Morgan H https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309621040 Aristotle explains that it is appropriate to take in anger for specific reasons and people. He praises that it is acknowledged to be angry at certain thing or person at a certain time or place. He writes, "How far, therefore, and how a man must stray before he becomes blameworthy, it is not easy to state in words; for the decision depends on the particular facts and on perception" (Aristotle 1). 

Aristotle believes it is natural or necessary to experience anger during the following circumstances: when people are inflicted with sickness, poverty, love, thirst, unsatisfied desires, when people laugh, mock, or jeer us, being with friends, when people treat us with regard, with those who do not return kindness, with people who think of us as inferior, and with men who slight us. Aristotle writes, "The frame of mind is that of one in which any pain is being felt...Hence people who are afflicted by sickness or poverty or love or thirst or an other unsatisfied desires are prone to anger and easily roused" (Aristotle 1). 

Personally, I get most angry when someone does not return kindness or simply is just being rude. I do not understand how people can be so disrespectful and impolite. I was always taught to treat others how you wanted to be treated and it kills me to see people being jerks for no apparent reason. ]]> 2018-11-30 02:07:11 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309621040 Morgan H https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309627617 Anger can be a helpful emotion for the following aspects: It is a motivating force, it allows us to defend ourselves and those we care for, it can benefit relationships, and it provides self-insight, and it can mobilize you to take action. 

Anger can not be a helpful emotion for the following reasons: it makes people think irrational thoughts, it allows us to feel sorry for ourselves, and people get hurt and fearful. ]]> 2018-11-30 02:48:31 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309627617 Grace Vincent https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309639577 Angry can fed your motivation can make you want to better make you try harder in certain subject in your life


Angry is not necessary when your in a heat of moment fight, your not thinking clearly, may allow you to give yourself pity, and could make give up because you feel that angry is taking over your life]]> 2018-11-30 04:18:53 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309639577 Jordan Benett https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309838543 If someone is angry at the right person for the right reasons. "The man who is angry at the right things and with the right people, and, further, as he ought, when he ought, and as long as he ought, is praised." (Aristotle 1)

Getting angry at those who mock us, people who treat you badly all of the sudden, people who speak ill of us, people who show contempt toward others appearances, and people that intentionally cause harm to us.

When people who use to speak highly of us speak badly of us. When you think someone thinks of you as a friend and they do that it really makes me feel angry because they have wasted my time making me think they were my friends.]]> 2018-11-30 16:06:03 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309838543 Grace Garcia https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309839343 Seneca believes that when you are angry the whole world just tends to shut out. If you are angry it is okay, but you must be in control. Anger is a bad thing that can make peoples judgments not clear, but if you know how to be in touch with your anger it is not as evil.
An an argument that he makes that was weak and could be better is the fact that he said that anger can be controlled and that it is anger should not be shown. Anger is something that just always occurs it is hard to control your anger, however it is possible.]]> 2018-11-30 16:07:23 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309839343 Jordan Bennett https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309847234 When people steal from you, cause physical harm intentionally to you, or when people have stereotypes of you in their head before they get a chance to know you. I say these because what else are you supposed to feel. Guilt? Sadness? Anger is the only logical answer. 

When things happen on accident and have very little consequence, mild annoyance, or when people are dealing with others that they don't like. Mainly because those are little things that in general hardly effect your life and really shouldn't get the best of you.]]> 2018-11-30 16:20:02 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309847234 Grace Garcia https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309847996 Elements to consider on developing if someone is angry for a right reason is if someone is giving you pain.  In Aristotle's rhetoric he explains this.
People who treat you poorly, talk to you badly, rejoice our misfortunes, and indifferent to the pain they give us.
The one that angers me the most is when people are indifferent to the pain they give us and act like they did nothing. When people do not care or are clueless of the painful actions they emit.]]> 2018-11-30 16:21:16 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309847996 Grace Garcia https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309858077 I think that anger is a helpful emotion when people do things to hurt you physically or even mentally, when people lie to you because you are not only being deceiving, but you are also sinning, and when people hurt the ones you love.
I think that anger is not helpful when you are angry at someone for just being who they are, when people do things they did not try to do and they truly feel bad about it, and when you are mad and physically fight others due to anger being built up.]]> 2018-11-30 16:39:13 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309858077 Alyssa Gifford https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309884968 1) Seneca disbelieves that anger is a natural emotion and should be controlled because they believe it is a sign of weakness, "it is not filial of pity, but weakness of mind that produces rhis anger, as children weep when they lose their parents, just as they do when they lose their toys," (Seneca 7).

2)Seneca disagrees with no fight can be won with anger because reason has been given to us by nature ,"we have no need of external weapons, nature has equipped us sufficiently by giving us reason," (Seneca 9). ]]> 2018-11-30 17:30:16 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309884968 Rin Wachholder https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309920244 1. Seneca calls anger a dangerous passion, saying “it is easier to banish [them] than to rule them… for when they have established themselves to be in passion of the mind they are more powerful than the lawful ruler” (Seneca 7). Seneca sagely condemns anger simply because it is difficult to control, and thus grows to overtake a person. Anger can often be blinding and cause one to act out in ways they would not have otherwise. 
2. ]]> 2018-11-30 18:38:01 UTC https://padlet.com/monika_karpowicz/zxwqzfyfh7m4/wish/309920244