Fahrenheit 451 (11.11.2020) by Jasmine Erhard https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt What do you think Montag will discover in the next section of the novel? Can Beatty be trusted? What themes have continued in this section? Do we know more about the characters? en-us 2020-11-09 04:10:43 UTC 2021-11-10 16:08:35 UTC hello@padlet.com Abby Spurgeon https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/911415173 I think Montag will discover the answers to the questions he's asking. He's desperate for answers and he's willing to look for them in books. Montag even believes the books hold the answers. 
I don't think Beatty should be trusted. He's very sly. Beatty seemed to have the speech he told Montag rehearsed.  I believe many firemen have been told that story whenever they started to question things. He was "faintly surprised" when Montag said he might go to work. His speech hadn't pushed Montag back into the box. Beatty wasn't able to manipulate Montag with the words the government told him to sprout.  
The theme of government control continued. Beatty states that "a book is a loaded gun"(56). Their society believes books are dangerous because they teach people to be free thinkers. When firemen began burning books they became "custodians of [their] peace of mind"(56) because they squashed ideas of rebellion or change.
We got an insight into Beatty's purpose. As the fire captain, he is supposed control the people who help control society. If a firemen starts to question things, Beatty gives the speech filled government propaganda to get them back in line. But the way he does it is sly. He acknowledges their feelings and then subtly explains why they're wrong. It's very manipulative. ]]> 2020-11-11 04:04:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/911415173 Nathan Waters https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/913816010 At the end of this first section Montag has became very curious about books and it was revealed that he has been hiding books and plans to read them. I think as montag reads these books he will start to discover how little he knows about the world. He will realise that the government has been hiding information and uncover many lies about the world and society.  

Beatty is a very interesting character to me because he has obviously fallen into societies lies about the world. He says, " If you don’t want a man unhappy politically, don’t give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none." (75)This shows us that his judgement has clearly been corrupted by this world's controlling society. He does seem to trust Montag with senstive information about books, firemen, and the government, but I have a feeling there is more to Beatty and that he was trying to build a false sense of trust between montag and himself.

I think one of the biggest themes from this section was "Ignorance is Bliss." Or maybe the opposite? Beatty seems to think ignorance is bliss, but I think throughout the novel we will learn that it isn't. 

I hope we will learn more about Beatty moving foward because I think there is something he is hiding, he knows more than he is telling montag, and he seems to be manipulating him.]]> 2020-11-11 18:19:32 UTC https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/913816010 Anne-Christine Lutkemeyer annel0027 https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/917450740 I think Montag will discover why he feels that his life has been missing something important. I think that by reading the books he hid in his home, Montag will see beneath the lies that he has been fed his entire life and the reason for his emptiness. Montag will be able to see the society he lives in for what it truly is; controlling, deceitful, and manipulative. Personally, I don't believe that Beatty can be trusted. Beatty seems to believe wholeheartedly in the lies that the government has fed its citizens. Beatty is a believer in the system and has been manipulated into trusting that the system is ethical. In his lecture to Montag Beatty states, "Cram [the people] full of noncombustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they feel stuffed, but absolutely 'brilliant' with information. Then they'll feel they're thinking, they'll get a sense of motion without moving. And they'll be happy, because facts of that sort don't change." (Bradbury 58) Evidently Beatty has bought into this society which at its core is designed to deceive and is trying to get Montag to conform to this ideology. 
I think some of the main themes that have been continued in this section are knowledge and conformity. Internally, Montag struggles with the knowledge that he lacks. However, when Beatty comes forward with lots to say about how their society functions, Montag questions whether that is a society he wants to be a part of. I think we learned more about Beatty and Mildred. Throughout this section, we see Beatty really step into his role as the fire captain and see how Mildred reacts when her life suddenly changes drastically and she is forced to deal with "real life" problems.]]> 2020-11-12 17:13:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/917450740 Maia McBride https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/919305447 As we learn more of Montag’s personality throughout this novel, a different side of him is portrayed. He is beginning to see his life through a different lens as he finds secret enjoyment in books. He is recognizing a unique side of himself; One that in reality, doesn’t need to conform to society, or what the government is trying to enforce. I believe that in the next session of the novel, I believe we will recognize a more humane side of Montag coming out, and we will see the other characters be more independent, as they decide not to fall into the trap of a particularly controlling government that has standards for how people should conform and live their lives. Montag sees books through the eyes of a member of society, not as a fireman, and that alone causes him to act on his interest in books, and find ways he can engage in them. He states: “And for the first time I realized that a man was behind each one of the books” (Bradbury,49). This opens his eyes to what life can really be like, and how there is much more than what the government was telling him. 

Based on information I can gather about Beatty, I believe that Beatty cannot be trusted because of his demeanor and actions with relation to other people in society; He is one who is simply trying to fulfill responsibilities of his job, and he does not have enough of a broad perspective on the world around him, to be trusted. He lives based on what the government has told him, not about opinions he would have had without the influence of the government. This ties directly into a common theme I have noticed throughout the novel. I believe that with instances such as the view Montag has about books, and the way Beatty is manipulated by the government, there is a strong influence of the government in society. Within this theme, I have seen the influence of rules in society, and implied conformities and opinions people are supposed to have, due to their role in society. For example, Montag is supposed to be strictly against books, and all teachings corresponding with them. As a fireman, he sees things through the eyes of a leader, and a person of order. He doesn’t see the aspect of life within his job, but rather his procedures and repeated orders he is forced to follow every day. As we have noticed a new side of him being portrayed throughout this last section of reading however, I have noticed that he begins to be more open minded, and begins to comprehend more fully, the reality he is living in, and what the real world has to offer. I believe we will see the focus on this government control, and conformed society shift, as Montag and Beatty both develop as characters. They will set those conformities aside, and may develop much differently in their personalities, than they have thus far. 


]]> 2020-11-13 05:00:41 UTC https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/919305447 Ella Gozdieski https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/922369971 2020-11-14 04:13:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/922369971 Cassidy Hill https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/928048890 I definitely believe that Montag will come to a full realization that his life is not being lived to the fullest. After witnessing and experiencing the death of the woman, his demeanor started to change and he became more and more skeptical. I think that his curious tendencies will only grow larger and he will eventually attempt to break free from his controlled life. He will feel so compelled to be free that he will go against the environment that is one of the only things he knows.
When looking at Beatty's character, it is clear to me that he is not someone to be trusted. He is a complete product of the dystopian society in which they were raised, meaning he will always do what he thinks is "right.' As fire captain, he uses his power to reinforce the propaganda that the government forces upon its people. Beatty mentions that a "book is a loaded gun." Excerpts like this from the text make me believe that if Montag were to confide in Beatty about rebelling, he could not be trusted.]]> 2020-11-16 16:48:54 UTC https://padlet.com/jerhard/zwixaeerdnwrxbnt/wish/928048890