Is justice in relation to the Holocaust possible? by Derek Marshall https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc A Text Set on the Nuremberg Trials en-us 2018-01-30 15:37:48 UTC 2025-10-18 16:14:46 UTC hello@padlet.com Merna Sawouq https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340182344 Yes, justice in relation to the Holocaust is possible because a few SS officers were found guilty and tried for it. It is stated from a video named A Plea for Humanity: The Einsatzgruppen on Trial that Dr. Otto Ohelendorf was sentenced to death and he got hung. This shows that the government took in consideration of what Dr. Otto did to the Jew adults and children and wanted to punish him. Also, from the article, "We have an obligation...", it sates that Oskar Gröning was part of the running the camp, from that he had to serve four years in prison. "Gröning’s trial is one of many attempts early in the twenty-first century to bring former Nazi criminals to justice, in what some have called a last chance to hold the guilty accountable while perpetrators and survivors of the Holocaust are still alive" (par. 1). This was a obligation that the justice took for the Jews even though it happened a long time ago because they knew what the Jews went through. Having victims still alive will help the case more because they actually were at the camps. Lastly, from the video, Nuremberg Remembered, it states, "We were trying people and we were trying to dispense justice. And we were trying to stand for what was good and what was right and what was true." This shows that eventually everyone in the world will realize what is the right thing to do and how to treat each others. I believe justice in relation to the Holocaust is possible because of what has been taken in the government and the justice has fought for the Jews.





]]> 2019-03-11 21:58:42 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340182344 Sierra Chavez https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340183542 I think that justice in relation to the Holocaust is not possible. I believe this because the Jewish people lived in concentration camps with barley any food or water so they were literally skin and bones. the Jews were also terrified because they didn’t know if they were going to be killed, beaten or have to live another day in the camp. The things that the Nazi’s put the Jews through are unimaginable and horrible. In fact so horrible that according to Ernest Michel, “no time in history was ever a situation with the leaders of a western civilized government or any government brought to trial for crimes against humanity and killing innocent people. Never happened before.” Also only 26 top military leaders, 56 high-ranking SS and other police officers, 23 Nazi doctors, and 14 officials of other Nazi organizations, so in total 117 people were tried for the killing of Jews when there were millions of Jewish people that were murdered in the Holocaust. Therefor i do not believe that justice can be brought in relation to the Holocaus because it was to big of an atrocity for only a few people to be tried when millions of people participated.]]> 2019-03-11 22:04:58 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340183542 Paola Cabezas https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340183604 Justice in relation to the Holocaust is possible but will never be fully justified. Jews were humiliated and discouraged for years and nothing was done. In Nuremberg remembered, Benjamin Ferencz states, “Now imagine the world if we could prevent the war, the supreme international crime. There is no such thing as a war without atrocities. Every war has atrocities. I was a war crime investigator. I can swear to you, you’ll never have a war without atrocities. So imagine a world in which crimes against humanity and war-making itself could be eliminated. What a wonderful and different world that would be. And that’s what Nuremberg was trying to accomplish, to begin moving in that direction.” Some families may have gotten justice but it was only for them and their loved ones. The Nuremberg trials took place to establish a sense of justice for the actions that occurred. But it wasn’t for everything that happened in the Holocaust it was for all lives that were lost. It was to help as much as that could. Justice can be possible in the Holocaust but it will never fully restore the events that happened to the Jews. ]]> 2019-03-11 22:05:13 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340183604 Jocelyn Arce https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340183765 I believe justice in relation to the holocaust is possible for some victims but not all. There were many Nazis who were tried and charged for their crimes and the were punished for them but there where also many who were let go or never caught. For the victims who were able to see their torturers punished and they were able to have some peace of mind but that still didn't cover up or heal all of the pain they had gone through. They still had gone through so much pain that not even justice or time can truly heal. For those who never got to see their torturers punished they had even less peace of mind and they still too had gone through so much pain.  Even there is no real way of repairing what had been done to the victims, officials still believe that punishing those who hurt them may still help. "Andreas Brendl, a German investigator, argued, 'We have an obligation to the families of the victims and the victims themselves to pursue this. . . . That's indisputable. It doesn't matter to me whether the accused is 25 or 92. Do people honestly think we shouldn't pursue people who may have been part of the Nazi machinery?'"  So yes justice can be possible in the Holocaust but not everyone will pay for their crimes and not all of the victims will fully heal from all of this pain.]]> 2019-03-11 22:06:03 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340183765 Max Franco https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340184246 Justice in relation to the holocaust is not possible. There will truly never be "justice" for what millions of Jews and other groups had to go through during the time of the holocaust. The German people could never feel what the Jews felt. The German's believed these were "acts of war", and were simply not bothered by the mass killings of the Jews. These German perpetrators do not deserve justice, just as how the Jews did not deserve what they were given, death. Even If the Germans were given justice, it would still not take back or numb the pain the Jews felt, and still feel to this day. In the article, "Crematoria Engineer for Topf and Sons-Fritz Sander" the engineer who built the crematorium states, " I was a German engineer and key member of the Topf works and I saw it as my duty to apply my specialist knowledge in this way in order to help Germany win the war, just as an aircraft construction engineer builds airplanes in wartime" This shows just how inhumane these Germans were. He believed these crematoriums were just apart of "winning the war" and explains it as not that big of a deal. ]]> 2019-03-11 22:08:40 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340184246 Sadie Lin 400020115 https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340185042 Seeking justice for war and mass atrocities like the Holocaust requires balance between two opposite responses: vengeance and forgiveness. Vengeance, in response to war and genocide, means revenge or retaliation against those who instigated the war and committed atrocities; it is usually carried out by the victims themselves, and it can perpetuate a cycle of violence. Forgiveness has the power to break the cycle of violence, but it often leaves the perpetrators unpunished and it may often be too much to ask of the victims of heinous crimes. Throughout the articles and videos we come across these Nazi leaders, SS officers, the Einsatzgruppen, etc. continuously giving the worst motives to excuse the fact of the mass murder they committed. In "A Plea for Humanity: The Einsatzgruppen on Trial", Dr, Otto Ohlendorf explained why he did such horrifying things to these innocent people. He admitted to killing 70,00-90,000 jews as "self defense". Millions of Jewish and gypsy children were killed off so they wouldn't remember that they had killed their parents. We see an example of bystanders in "Crematoria Engineer for Topf and Sons-Kurt Prüfer", these engineers were aware of the things happening in the crematories they were building. "I had my contract with the Topf firm and I was aware of the fact that my work was of great importance for the national socialist state. I knew that if I refused to continue with this work, I would be liquidated by the Gestapo." said Kurt Prüfer. These engineers might have been afraid that they would have been liquidated, in another article, "Historian Doris Bergen: 
What If Nazis Didn’t Participate?"  there is no proof that Germans were killed or liquidated if they did not fufill a job. They were simply just relocated or given a different task. These Jews were dehumanized, treated like animals, forced to go through one of the most horrifying events in all of mankind and seeking justice in my eyes, is just not possible. This genocide was more than killing off it was hell on earth, for no absolute reason. Although it may be hard but forgiveness can be a small form of justice and that is the closest you may get. It may be hard but it can be achieved. This is something that will not and cannot be done to someone else. Unfortunately i do not think that justice is possible in relation to the holocaust.



]]> 2019-03-11 22:12:57 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340185042 rebecca morales https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340190536 Justice would be possible to those who let themselves forgive and let their bodies heal over time. After all of the trials the SS officers were put in and being guilty, must have made the victims feel good atleast a little bit. After what the Nazis did to these victims, anything that the SS officers got in return for pain must have made the victims feel good. While watching the "Nuremburg Remembered" video it says, "21 nazi leaders at the first Nuremburg trial. 18 defendeants were convicted"(rebecca richman cohen). this states, that just in the Nuremburg trial 18 Nazi leaders were already convicted guilty. To be victims of these perpatrators, had to of been a big relief knowing that the ones who killed MANY and MANY of poor innocent vitims was going to be punished for their actions. As jews, little by little having more and more rights be taken away from you seems horrible. They had education, jobs, and family slowly being taken away from them and they still had faith and believed things would get better. Even the bystanders and the people who knew what was going to happen to these innocent Jews, did nothing. Such as the crematoria enginear who knew what he was building was soon going to be the massive instrument that burned jews to their death. Kurt Prufer had stated, "i have known since spring 1943 that innocent human beings were being liquidated in Aushwitz gas chambers and that their corpses were subsequently incinerated in the crematoria" The fact that Jews saw this happening everyday to their own people and family, gives us hope to make sure we count every day in our lives. I believe that the victims from the holocaust deserve all the justice they think they deserve because they went through hell and back and still manage to live their lives.]]> 2019-03-11 22:45:21 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340190536 Ashley Sanchez https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340245010  To achieve justice for the monstrous acts performed on the Jews by bystanders and perpetrators during the Holocaust, is indeed attainable. Millions of innocent lives were taken by people that prove inhumanity is possible. People like Kurt Rüfer and Fritz Sander, included in the Question and Reflect interview section,  were a prime example of a horribleness that some can be accounted for.  They believe their actions were simple acts of war. Perpetrators like Hermann Goering, in the Red Series: Vol 2 Pg 444, also show the monsters humans are capable of being.  Along with many others, people like these caused psychological and physical damage. In Nuremberg Remembered, Benjamin Ferencz’s quotes, “Now imagine the world if we could prevent the war, the supreme international crime. There is no such thing as a war without atrocities. Every war has atrocities. I was a war crime investigator. I can swear to you, you’ll never have a war without atrocities. So imagine a world in which crimes against humanity and war making itself could be eliminated. What a wonderful and different world that would be. And that’s what Nuremberg was trying to to accomplish, to begin moving in that direction.”  The Nuremberg trials took place in order to establish a sense of justice for the actions that occurred. This was the main part of the fight of something that will never be forgotten. In trials, the majority of the monsters that perished lives of innocents were punished for their actions.  Bernard Melter states in Nuremberg Remembered, “Among the crimes not included in the indictment in Nuremberg, is the crime of silence as atrocities occur throughout the world and as we turn the blind eye.” Justice may not be fully obtained yet, but lessons are being passed down generations, in order to establish awareness of the atrocities humanity is capable of. In all, yes I believe justice is possible. I believe justice can be found internally by the victims and whether they find in themselves to forgive. I also believe, in a more general aspect, that justice will always be searched for until the day that the world can find a state of peace and generosity, in which at last, justice for the lives taken in the process, will be rightfully achieved. ]]> 2019-03-12 03:42:14 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340245010 Janneth Escobar 400020064 https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340561109 Justice is a very big and strong word. Hoping to seek justice based off of certain acts is another story. There are many things that we as a people want to fight for justice. We want to fight for our rights, and we want what's fair. Based in the relation to the Holocaust, it can be possible for the Jews to attain Justice, but at the same time we would also have to see the other side. It is absolutely sad to hear what the Jews had went through. I guess we can see from there perspective that some may want vengeance rather that virtue.In addition, we could also possibly see that they would want their former killers and torturers to be killed as well. Going back to the possibility of having justice, it can be possible but it can never be repaid with the harm and pain that many of the Jews went through. Many of them were dehumanized and treated unfairly only because of who they were. Many were even killed because of certain situations that sometimes wouldn't even make sense. Based off of the video, "A Plea for Humanity: The Einsatzgruppen Trial", it said, "'I don't know the count because they exaggerated the body count... 'Did you kill 80,000 70,000?'... 'Well it was around there, could be, could be'... 'Why?'.... 'Self-defense'... 'Nobody attacked Germany. Germany attacked Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Norway'....'Aha, but we knew that Russia Soviet Union were intended to attack us'". This is an absolute bizarre thing to say coming from a German Nazi soldier. As said before, the Jews can have a possibility to fight for their justice because they can argue the pain they all have experienced, and how there cannot be a possible way where the Nazi's can just walk out of this situation.]]> 2019-03-12 18:03:28 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340561109 emma sahagun <3 https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340644140 Justice for those who have performed traumatizing acts upon the Jews, should be available to those who are remorseful.  Perpetrators like Hermann Goering, who was mentioned in the Red Series: Vol 2 Pg 444, wrote that he believed it was a necessity too have the Jewish race eliminated for what they have caused to the people around them. The Nuremberg Laws made it illegal for Jewish people to marry outside of their Jewish community. They weren't allowed to marry the person they loved because of the race they were. Kurt Prüfer, who created the furnace, should be given justice because those were his orders from the SS and in that situation, a lot of us would have listened to those orders to save ourselves from death. Making a decision like that is hard, but he didn't want to commit to it. I think that for those who were experimented on should be given more time to choose to forgive or not because if they lived, their bodies and messed up for the rest of their lives. The doctors who preformed these experiments should feel awful for what they have done. If the Jewish people choose to not forgive, you cannot blame them. In, What if Nazi's didn't Participate, you can see that it clearly says they could choose if they wanted to kill or not. They all chose to be killers so they would not look foolish and that is what they found pride in doing. The people who have chosen to commit these acts disgust me. It is absolutely horrific and sickening]]> 2019-03-12 21:45:38 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340644140 Nolan Inman https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646172 2019-03-12 21:54:34 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646172 Rylee Damico https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646174 To earn justice for the horrific acts done in the holocaust is very possible. Maybe some will think it is not, which is normal to think but when you learn to forgive, it is entirely possible. Forgiveness also comes with the fact of accepting to forgive people which is the hardest part. People, but in specific words Jews were mentally and physically tortured by the Nazis. Seeking justice is not easy for Jews but it is possible because anyone who believes in themselves can forgive and that what is needed in order to seek justice. The hardest part of a Jewish person forgiving a Nazi is that the Nazis DID NOT have to participate in the act of killing and torturing the Jews. It is hard to believe anybody would forgive someone after they have killed possibly some of their family and tortured them, I would never be able to show forgiveness towards anyone who was involved. Also, some Nazi's claim that they were forced to follow orders or else they would end up being treated like the Jewish people were. Of course that is an easier concept to take in because they were forced, but still that is incredibly hard to forgive anyone who did that to a group of people.]]> 2019-03-12 21:54:34 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646174 Nathan Mathews https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646191 2019-03-12 21:54:38 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646191 Cameron Rey https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646223 In the case of the Holocaust I don't believe these men have a chance for justice. They made a conscious decision to do what they did and that they are undeserving of justice. Fritz Sander built crematories knowing that they were being used for mass liquidation and yet he continued to make them. Rudolf Höss exclaimed that "I really never gave much thought to whether it was wrong. It just seemed a necessity"  this one claim shows how these men never considered what they were doing and didn't care what happened to these people. Many did however refuse to kill, however they still worked for the Nazis and did nothing to stop the genocide as there were still plenty of men willing to do the killing. There is however the case of many people forgiving their perpetrators for past action, but these men should still face their charges and punishment as they are still responsible for the aid of six million deaths even if they didn't directly get involved. #responsibilityforone'sactions]]> 2019-03-12 21:54:48 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646223 Bailey Pepper https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646374 These Jews were completely dehumanized, brutalized, and could never go back to their lives even IF they survived. Their perpetrators had a choice, whether they care to admit it or not, if they wanted to kill innocent people. The question I have is: What would we even do to achieve proper justice for the victims of the Holocaust? That thought leaves me utterly bewildered. Would we, as a nation, pursue each person who had done wrong within that time period? Would we ask these criminals if they 'feel bad' for what they did? These people could easily lie, and even their false apologies could never fix what havok and pain they caused throughout Europe. Although, it is easy to see the other side of things when the topic is so broad. Kurt Schrimm, head of the prosecutors of the Germans, says "They included six-month-old infants as well as elderly people. The perpetrators at the time had absolutely no compassion, and it is fair to ask whether they themselves deserve any pity today." (we have an obligation...) Yes, I do agree with what Schrimm was saying. The Nazis seem to have no guilt for what they did, like a switch in them was turned off just so that they could follow orders, but that doesn't mean we have the power and resources to do so. Of course, we should do everything we can to get justice for the victimized Jews, but is it really achievable for everyday people? I strongly believe that the answer to this questions lies in what the Nazis so clearly did not have; morals. If you know someone who has killed 6 month old infants and expecting mothers and fragile elderly people with their own hands, are you really going to let them live with themselves? Are you going to let them roam the streets and live their lives when that's exactly what they took away from the Jews? I might have left you with many more questions than answers to the question "Is Justice in relation to the Holocaust possible?", but there will never be a clear response to this. In all honesty, no. True justice and retribution will never be achieved. ]]> 2019-03-12 21:55:40 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646374 Casey Indelicato https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646616 Justice is possible because Jews deserve to be heard. No matter old, young, dead, alive...All Jews should seek justice and Nazi Germans should be paying the price for the crimes they have committed. A reason i think this is because, “Germans were not forced to be killers. Those who refused to participate were given other assignments or transferred. To this day no one has found an example of a German who was executed for refusing to take part in the killing of Jews or other civilians. Defense attorneys of people accused of war crimes have looked hard for such a case because it would support the claim that their clients had no choice. The Nazi system, however, did not work that way. There were enough willing perpetrators so that coercive force could be reserved for those deemed enemies.” This quote is saying that the German soldiers were not forced to kill the Jews they volunteered to kill them. This relates to why I think that Jews should have justice because the Germans could have all backed out and not killed the Jews but instead they didn't see them as humans just like them. Another reason i think this is because this quote says, "I have known since spring 1943 that innocent human beings were being liquidated in Auschwitz gas chambers and that their corpses were subsequently incinerated in the crematoria. . . ." This quote is saying that the man that used to work on the gas chambers knew about all of the Jews being killed and did nothing to help them or save them. This relates to why I think justice should be possible because even outsiders other then the German soldiers knew about these things happening and did nothing to save them. My final reason justice should be possible is, “Don’t you see, we SS men were not supposed to think about these things; it never even occurred to us. . . . We were all so trained to obey orders without even thinking that the thought of disobeying an order would simply never have occurred to anybody, and somebody else would have done just as well if I hadn’t. . . . I really never gave much thought to whether it was wrong. It just seemed a necessity.” this quote is saying that the soldiers didn't even think about what they were doing they just did it because they were ordered to. This relates to why i think justice should be possible because the soldiers didn't even know the damage that they were doing to the Jews, until after. i conclude that the soldiers of German, even tho they did it because they were ordered to, could have said no i don't want to do that  but they instead went along and ending up killing the Jews.#Everyoneslivesmatter]]> 2019-03-12 21:57:03 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646616 Simone Warren https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646625 Justice for the jews is not even a smig possible because it ]]> 2019-03-12 21:57:07 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340646625 Sophia Paredes 400020320 https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340647266 Justice for the millions of victims of the Holocaust can be possible but would never be sufficient in comparison to all the pain and suffering caused.  The justice attempted would never be enough. Many Nazi's had the same excuse for their malicious acts that were not challenged or questioned further it was just accepted. They saw an easy way and took it which is also a crime.  For example in the document, Commandment at Auschwitz: Rudolf Hoss: “Don’t you see, we SS men were not supposed to think about these things; it never even occurred to us. . . . We were all so trained to obey orders without even thinking that the thought of disobeying an order would simply never have occurred to anybody, and somebody else would have done just as well if I hadn’t. . . . I really never gave much thought to whether it was wrong. It just seemed a necessity.”  The Nazis were not persecuted to the fullest extent of law for their inhumane acts. This excuse cam in many versions. Like in Historian Doris Bergen: What If Nazi's Didn't Participate?, “Germans were not forced to be killers. Those who refused to participate were given other assignments or transferred. To this day no one has found an example of a German who was executed for refusing to take part in the killing of Jews or other civilians. Defense attorneys of people accused of war crimes have looked hard for such a case because it would support the claim that their clients had no choice. The Nazi system, however, did not work that way. There were enough willing perpetrators so that coercive force could be reserved for those deemed enemies.” The Nazi's once again deemed their lives as more valuable then a Jewish one when saying they had no choice or that they would be hurt if they disobeyed orders. Nearly 74 years later the victims who fell at the hands of the sadistic Josef Mengele who experimented on Jews like they were objects. Experimenting on Jewish twin children. He got to live out the rest of his life without remorse or a trial in Brazil. His victims did not get that luxury. Using the words of Kurt Schrimm, from the document "We have an obligation, head of a special prosecutor’s office that concentrates on German war crimes in World War II asks, “Are we supposed to abstain from prosecution now just because we weren't able to pursue them in the past?” Referring to Auschwitz transport lists that were used as key evidence in a case, Schrimm adds, “They included six-month-old infants as well as elderly people. The perpetrators at the time had absolutely no compassion, and it is fair to ask whether they themselves deserve any pity today.” #justiceisafulltimejob

]]> 2019-03-12 22:00:57 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340647266 Sofia Ghomeshi 400017070 https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340647774 Justice is interpreted differently by everyone. For some, justice could be defined as something as as simple as an apology. For others, justice could mean an "eye for an eye" for example. The Holocaust was a horrific event where Jews and homosexuals were tortured, put to work, starved, abused, and killed by the Nazis. Millions of victims lost their lives, and even if they survived, they had no life worth living. They were stripped of their belongings, homes, families. Is it possible for the victims to get justice? Otto Ohlendorf was sentenced to death for the murder pf over 90,000 Jews, Roma, and Sinti after he admitted ]]> 2019-03-12 22:03:32 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340647774 Danielle H 400020367 https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340649395 When something is wanted, and people are determined, all is achievable. Reconciliation would have to be wanted to make justice in all be possible. The four types of justice, distributive, communitave,  legal, and social should all be met when looking at the aftermath of the Holocaust. Justice is needed for the Jews and should be achievable no matter what type of Jew is wanting to succeed in getting what they need. Nazi Germans were all well aware of what they were doing and they could have chose another path. Rudoff Holf was a comandment at Auchwitz, and he explained how he never really thought about thinking twice, he just was following orders.   " I really never gave much thought to whether it was wrong. It just seemed a necessity” (Commandant at Auschwitz: Rudolf Höss).
This is sickening, and for someone to think these thoughts, has to have so many people wanting to prove him wrong. No matter how long ago the Holocaust was, there should always justice that needs to be claimed by the Jews. To support this, "In July 2015, 94-year-old Oskar Gröning sat stooped in a German courtroom and listened as a judge found him guilty of aiding in the murder of 300,000 Jews at Auschwitz" (We have an obligation...) A 94 year old man being prosecuted because he was an "essential part of the functioning of the camp". Over fifty years ago...Time does not change anything. Time does not change feelings. Watching so many people be tortured, starved, murdered...These traumatizing moments do not go away over years. These moments that might only last seconds will stick in your memory until the day you die.
The text goes on later to state, "It doesn't matter to me whether the accused is 25 or 92." To reiterate more on the idea of more Nazis being prosecuted, there were so many trials against them. This included, "26 top military leaders;56 high-ranking SS and other police officers, including 24 leaders of the Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units) and key officials in Heinrich Himmler’s central office, which supervised the concentration camps and the extermination program; 23 doctors who participated in the Nazi medical killing program that targeted mentally and physically disabled people and conducted experiments on camp prisoners; and 14 officials of other Nazi organizations that engaged in racial persecution"(US Military Tribunal: List of Trials). If you were involved with the Nazis, you should hae to pray the price and take responsibility for the millions of innocent Jewish people that had stared death in the face for So many trials, and so many Jews seeking for justice that I hope will continue. Yes, ome people might argue and say, there is no point in seeking for justice, it happened so long ago and all those people are dead anyways. But this is not the case and it IS that serious. No one will truly understand how devastating and life changing it was to live during the Holocaust. These Jews  that know what it was like should never stop telling their stories to more generations. I hope to see justice still being wanted forever and ever. #JusticeForJews

]]> 2019-03-12 22:14:20 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340649395 Juvenal Garcia https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340649524 Justice is not possible for anyone who went through the holocaust. These Jews were brutally tortured and stripped from all their rights to a point when they weren't looked at as everyone else or equal to the Germans. They were treated very poorly and awfully for so long that their minds are definitely scarred. The thought and memories of which these Jews had will be in their heads until death. The cannot have justice for what had happened for so long. Their entire population could have been abolished and since it was not they cannot just say that it was okay or continue their lives the same. Some may say some Jews have made peace and live their life without hate but they will not live their lives without the memories and feelings of what they went through. They can forgive but never forget.  All these Nazis did their wrong and their actions will never truly be forgiven. All these soldiers hurt and damaged the lives of thousands of Jews willingly. They never had a reasonable reason to do what they did. They should be held accountable for their actions. Justice is just not possible for such people who did wrong many times for so long.]]> 2019-03-12 22:15:05 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340649524 Alyssa Prieto https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340649551 Justice is possible, but not for everyone.  Justice comes with forgiveness which comes easier to some people, but not others.  Though terrible things were done to the Jews of the Holocaust, they must forgive first to achieve the feeling of justice.  If some people can't forgive it's not their fault.  Forgiveness might come easier to people for different reasons. One being that they don't remember much from that event which makes it easier to forgive. If you don't remember much from a traumatic event because of your age for example, you probably won't be as scarred as much someone who was old enough to remember. So it'd be easier for the ones who don't remember entirely to achieve justice. Another example can be how poorly someone was treated. Most Jews had valuable things taken from them, including their families, homes, and dignity. Most of them also had to work their lives away and starve in camps. Some were lucky enough to hide out with generous, German families. Essentially, the ones that were treated worse had a harder time forgiving which means it took a longer time to achieve justice. So, justice is possible for some, but how much they went through will determine how long it'll take to reach that point.]]> 2019-03-12 22:15:16 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340649551 Deandra Olguin https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340650067 Justice in relation to the Holocaust is possible and the Nazis that are still alive should be held accountable to this day. Nothing can make up for the inhumane acts done to the Jews and the Nazi's need to realize the amount of damage they caused towards innocent lives. In the article "What If Nazi's Didn't Participate?", it states that "Germans were not forced to be killers. Those who refused to participate were given other assignments or transferred." There is no evidence of a German being executed because of refusing to take part in killing Jews or other civilians. This shows that the Nazi party is, in fact, guilty of their wrong doings. Any person in their right mindset should know how wrong it is to torture other human beings. German soldiers claim that they never thought of it as being wrong, they thought of it as a "necessity." The perpetrators at the time had no remorse for these innocent lives being destroyed. Andreas Brendl, a German investigator, states, “We have an obligation to the families of the victims and the victims themselves to pursue this. . . . That's indisputable. It doesn't matter to me whether the accused is 25 or 92. Do people honestly think we shouldn't pursue people who may have been part of the Nazi machinery?” I agree with this and I don't think we should restrain from prosecution now just because we weren't able to in the past. Although it barely makes up for the millions of lives lost in these horrendous acts, it gives a little closure for what the Jews have gone through. #JusticeforJews]]> 2019-03-12 22:18:43 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340650067 Julia Pilkington https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340650223 After the time of the holocaust it was possible to at least have some justice. You cannot control justice directly, but you can control your personal feelings. The Nazi's really tortured the Jews to such a great extent, they killed off Jews in gas chambers and crematoriums as if they were worthless even though they were just innocent people. Killing anyone that didn't listen to them, including children. They even had certain leaders for the mobile killing units and “doctors” that just ended the lives of humans that needed the most help. “There were enough willing perpetrators so that coercive force could be reserved for those deemed enemies.” That just shows that the Germans were being killers by choice. How is that acceptable in any way, the Jews deserve their justice. Some of the officers didn’t realize the pain they were putting everyone through because they were just doing what they were told but that doesn’t mean they weren’t apart of it and held accountable like the other leaders. The Germans even took the Jews valuables and money away, along with their dignity and their will to live. 

]]> 2019-03-12 22:19:52 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340650223 Ariana Castrellon https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340667973 Justice could be possible for some, but it would never make up for the damages the Nazi forces did on Europe. Those millions of Jews that were imprisoned and slaughtered by the Nazis would probably not forgive them either. Justice is the exact same as treating someone fairly. Did the Nazis do that for the Jews? No. Did they ever intend to? From all of the articles, and videos, my best answer is no. The Nazi officers that were tried had no ounce of regret. Not a smidge of remorse was written on their stone cold faces, and not within their hearts. They had a choice to go with it, or not to, and they chose to go with it. In the Nuremburg remembered video "...they had the choice of either going along with Hitler or not going along with Hitler..." They even said it themselves, "Germans were not forced to be killers. Those who refused to participate were given other assignments or transferred... ." Justice will never come to play for them, but for the Jewish people, there is some hope. From the atrocities of the past, we have tried to put an end to injustice towards people. Everyday there is a reminder of what happened, and why it can't happen again. Of course, even if we continued to show the world what happened and respected the survivors of the Holocaust, it will never suffice for the millions of lives lost. For all of the displaced people after the war. For each and every one of those who still live to speak their story.]]> 2019-03-13 00:09:51 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/340667973 Juliet Winslow https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/341148931 Justice could be possible for some but not all, even after everything that happened to the Jews, it is still possible for the Jews to get justice. Justice is seen differently by many different people, but the only way justice can be possible is if it comes with forgiveness. Forgiveness is one of the hardest things to do in the justice process especially for the Jews. They knew that the Nazi’s had the opportunity to back out of it and they still didn’t. Jews were dehumanized, brutalized, imprisoned and slaughtered and they were still expected to go back to a normal life. Some Nazi officers didn’t regret what they did to the Jews. Otto Ohlendorf was one that was okay with owning up to what he did. "Otto Ohlendorf, the former commandant of Einsatzgruppe D, was sentenced to death for the murder of about 90,000 Jews, Roma, and Sinti after admitting that he had ordered his men to kill children as well as adults." After listening in class and reading these articles, the Jews were not treated the way that Nazi’s would want to be, along with justice coming with forgiveness, it also comes with the golden rule, treat others how you want to be treated. ]]> 2019-03-14 02:11:17 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/341148931 Genesis Lopez https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/341168053 Justice in this case can go both ways. It can be attained but, at the same time, justice may not be possible. The Nazis dehumanized, starved, tortured, killed etc. the Jews and other races. Nothing can be done about what happened in the past, but we can effect the future. The Nazi participants that still live to this day, should be accounted for and charged for the atrocities they committed in the past. The Nazi party had the choice to participate in the killings or not. Even though they had the choice not to kill, they still did it anyways. This goes to show how inhumane these people were in order to commit these horrible crimes. In the article, "Historian Doris Bergen: What If Nazis Didn't Participate?" it states that Germans were not forced to kill nor were they threatened if they didn't want to kill. The Germans didn't look at these killings as wrong, but more of as a necessity according to the article, "Commandant at Auschwitz: Rudolf Hoss". Justice can be attained by putting these people in jail. In the article, "We have an obligation..." it explains that no matter how old the person is, if they were a Nazi, they should be charged with the crimes they committed. "'We have an obligation to the families of the victims and the victims themselves to persue this...' That's indisputable. It doesn't matter to me whether the accused is 25 or 92...'The perpetrators at the time had absolutely no compassion, and it is fair to ask whether they themselves deserve any pity today.'" I completely agree with this because it is true. No matter their age there should still be charges held against them for the monstrosities they committed. Justice can also be served by forgiveness. This could be very hard to do for most of the Jews because of all the hell they went through in the camps. The survivors of the holocaust are strong and I believe they can do anything they set their mind to. Nothing will ever be enough to pay for the lives that were lost during World War II, but, justice can still be served for those people who didn't live to see another day.]]> 2019-03-14 04:21:29 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/341168053 Bismarck Alvarado https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/341177309 I do believe justice is possible in relation to the Holocaust. I believe this is possible because though some questions will sadly never be answered as to what happened to some of their loved ones, some perpetrators behind some people's pain can and have been brought to justice and have been killed or are rotting in jail. In no way should these men be able to get away with the atrocities they've committed, and though it almost seems that shooting them would be just as good. We must be better than them and show that we follow the law, not a mad man's prophesies. And though they may defend themselves there is concrete evidence that they were not forced to shoot and kill the Jews; they, on their own accord, would kill families and children. And those same men would be put on trial and tired for all of their crimes. Through justice, some peace may be given back to the people who the perpetrators may have be attacked or hurt in some way.  ]]> 2019-03-14 05:32:58 UTC https://padlet.com/dmarshall65/zc8pw6b4mknc/wish/341177309