P2: F451 Section 2B pg. 89-106 by Michelle Martinez https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe In this section of the book, Montag returns home to Mildred, who is hosting some of her friends. He turns off the "parlor" and engages the women in discussion about politics, family, and poetry. To participate on this discussion board, answer questions. provide evidence or examples, and comment on your classmates' posts. en-us 2020-12-03 05:08:52 UTC 2020-12-12 02:39:59 UTC hello@padlet.com he talks to them about how theyre always on the tv and how they never talk to people or each other, they talk about how kids are always on their devises and are products of their society https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985093150 2020-12-03 18:36:59 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985093150 lucas_rosenkranz https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985113181 Those that do have children don't seem to value their relationships and spend very little time with them.]]> 2020-12-03 18:41:00 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985113181 1901728 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985114409 The conversation shows that they never really engage in conversation with their children.   ]]> 2020-12-03 18:41:15 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985114409 children https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985115872 the group of women talks about how having children isn't wonderful at all, that it is a relief that there is school where they can drop off the kids there so they are never home. ]]> 2020-12-03 18:41:34 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985115872 effec https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985124281 2020-12-03 18:43:14 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985124281 it sounds kind of like a soap opera to me. Very superficial. They judge a book by it's cover, so to speak. lucas_rosenkranz https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985125573 2020-12-03 18:43:29 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985125573 1924782 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985127624 Those that do have children don't seem to value their relationships and spend very little time with them.]]> 2020-12-03 18:43:54 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985127624 there was a recent election and the women voted for extremely shallow reasons like the candidates looks https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985132451 2020-12-03 18:44:51 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985132451 1905819 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985132927 the effect the women have is Mrs. Phelps crying and Mrs. Bowles yelling at Montag for reading the poetry. They end up yelling at each other till Montag tells them to leave because of how shallow they are and how they don't appreciate the literature ]]> 2020-12-03 18:44:57 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985132927 children 191966 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985133931 People with kids don't want to cherish their time with their kids. They think they ruin things.]]> 2020-12-03 18:45:07 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985133931 Bella Stock 1931121 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985133954 one line that stood out to me was on page. 97 "why do people want to hurt people? Not enough hurt in the world, you got to tease people with stuff like that!" This line stood out to me because most people like poem because they are getting to hear something different and most of the time poem have some great worlds in them that can really help you though things. Mrs. Bowles see poems as something that can hurt you but in are world its the exact opposite. ]]> 2020-12-03 18:45:08 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985133954 Mrs. Phelps michelle_martinez3 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985136787 "Caesareans or not, children are ruinous; you're out of your mind," said Mrs. Phelps. (pg. 92)]]> 2020-12-03 18:45:40 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985136787 the women couldant handle the poetry and had an emotional response to it similar to someone who dosent want to eat vegetables lol michae https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985137476 2020-12-03 18:45:49 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985137476 1901728 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985139961 When voting they didn't use valid reasons, instead they used reasons like their looks and not how that person would run everything.]]> 2020-12-03 18:46:19 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985139961 Mrs. Bowles michelle_martinez3 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985140511 "I plunk the children in school nine days out of ten. I put up with them when they come home three days a month; it's not bad at all. You heave them into the 'parlor' and turn on the switch." (pg. 92-93)]]> 2020-12-03 18:46:25 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985140511 1918412 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985141889 The effect that had happened  after Montag read the poem, was that Mrs Phelps started to cry uncontrollably which caused Mrs Bowels to get upset and angry at Montag for reading the poem.]]> 2020-12-03 18:46:42 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985141889 1905819 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985143891 Captain Beatty has an argument with Montag but Montag doesn't say anything because Faber is in his ear  calming him down. Beatty talks about how literature is dangerous for the minds but uses literature to defend his argument. In the end they get an address to go to burn books and Montag realizes when they arrive that it is his house. ]]> 2020-12-03 18:47:06 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985143891 Marriages 1901323 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985148801 The conversation the Montag had with Mildred and her friends show that marriage isn't just loving someone but it making sure you actually speak about what things bother them and opening up and telling the other person in the marriage how they really feel.]]> 2020-12-03 18:48:02 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985148801 faber is in montags ear and when beatty notices montag flame throwers him https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985150556 2020-12-03 18:48:22 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985150556 1901728 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985152631 It effected them in an emotional way and they couldn't handle it so they started getting tense and yelling.]]> 2020-12-03 18:48:46 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985152631 1922151 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985152744 The marriages mean nothing to the women because if there husband dies they don't even get emotional and they just get married with someone like it was nothing. The women treat children as if they were nothing they just heave them into the parlor as if they were washing clothes.]]> 2020-12-03 18:48:47 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985152744 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985153069 Those who have kids don't cherish their time with their kids. Kids also only spend time on their devices and don't interact with others.- Mariana Lopez]]> 2020-12-03 18:48:51 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985153069 Politics 191966 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985153233 The women only voted by the person's look and not by how they were gonna run things.]]> 2020-12-03 18:48:53 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985153233 President Noble michelle_martinez3 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985155622 What did you all think about the name Ray Bradbury selected for the elected president? ]]> 2020-12-03 18:49:22 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985155622 The conversation that Montag forces them to have reveals their lack of concern about the coming war, the pervasiveness and casual treatment of suicide in their society and the deplorable state of families thics. https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985157233 - Marianne Torres]]> 2020-12-03 18:49:41 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985157233 They show how they are always on there divices and they dont talk to eachother normally. 1920521 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985161531 2020-12-03 18:50:27 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985161531 1920442 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985161665 They don't find any real reason to have children whether it be happiness or love its neither as they state its just so for the human race to go on. ]]> 2020-12-03 18:50:28 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985161665 Emotional Reactions michelle_martinez3 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985163955 Based upon what we know about these women, why is it so surprising that they have an emotional reaction to the poetry? ]]> 2020-12-03 18:50:53 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985163955 The voteing was not really orginized or reserched. 1920521 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985166906 2020-12-03 18:51:28 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985166906 1920442 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985173938 They voted mostly on appearance and not ideals or representation as most people would today.]]> 2020-12-03 18:52:51 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985173938 Beatty talks about how lititure is not safe while argueing with montag. 1920521 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985179776 2020-12-03 18:54:00 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985179776 1917871 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985181232 People with children don't cherish their time with them so they send them to school to not have them around.]]> 2020-12-03 18:54:17 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985181232 1905819 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985183007 They voted for the person that is better looking than the reasons you should vote for a president. ]]> 2020-12-03 18:54:36 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985183007 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985183966 Women only voted based off of appearances and didn't go off of the politics. - Mariana Lopez]]> 2020-12-03 18:54:48 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985183966 1922151 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985184889 They voted people for there looks and not for their knowledge.]]> 2020-12-03 18:54:59 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985184889 What's wrong with this election? Think about the other candidate. michelle_martinez3 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985186054 2020-12-03 18:55:14 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985186054 Did you guys notice how Beatty talked about his "dream" that he was in an argument with Montag? Do you think it was really a dream? michelle_martinez3 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985191034 2020-12-03 18:56:15 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985191034 1922151 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985196171 One of the women started crying and the other woman got mad at Montag and left.
"Where ignorant armies clash by night."]]> 2020-12-03 18:57:19 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985196171 1917871 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985196572 They only voted by looks not by the reasons. ]]> 2020-12-03 18:57:24 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985196572 1920442 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985204486 The poetry made a few of them feel different emotions ranging from anger to confusion.]]> 2020-12-03 18:59:00 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985204486 Faber helps calm down Montag whilst Beatty drones on about how literature is evil and dangerous but uses literature to support his argument which shows his convoluted and contradicting argument. 1920442 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985210563 2020-12-03 19:00:11 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985210563 1922151 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985241229 Beatty was talking about how literature was evil and Faber trying to calm down Montag from doing anything stupid.]]> 2020-12-03 19:06:19 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985241229 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985290344 It made some women feel some type of way, it lead to some of them yelling and getting really aggravated.-Mariana Lopez]]> 2020-12-03 19:16:11 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985290344 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985323987 Beatty was discussing how literature has become so evil. Montag and Beatty then get at it but Montag doesn't really say anything because Faber is calming him down and keeping him from saying anything. Mariana Lopez]]> 2020-12-03 19:23:04 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985323987 1917871 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985326623 The women's effect were not well they ended up yelling at each other and Montag told them to leave because of how little they cared for poetry.]]> 2020-12-03 19:23:35 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985326623 1917871 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985408883 Captain Beatty and Montag got in an argument. Montag was calm because Faber was calming him down from his ear. And Beatty was talking about how dangerous literature is and he was using literature in his defense. At the end the are given orders to burn books at a location and montag notices that it is his house.]]> 2020-12-03 19:41:12 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985408883 193277 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985847323 Beatty was discussing How literature became so evil.Montag never really says anything, then Fabre is calming them down and keeping him from saying anything and opening his mouth. -Reina Ortiz]]> 2020-12-03 21:52:18 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985847323 193277 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985850637 It affected the woman in not a bad or angry way but in a very emotional way so then they started yelling because they couldn’t handle it anymore -Reina Ortiz]]> 2020-12-03 21:53:33 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985850637 193277 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985853481 They voted for the appearances and not their ability that their smart or that their knowledgeable-Reina Ortiz]]> 2020-12-03 21:54:44 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985853481 193277 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985857807 They said basically that marriage isn’t only about loving someone and basically theirs a whole lot more then that so when theirs probables with their relationship they should open up about what’s bothering them and causing the problems and should fix the issue. -Reina Ortiz]]> 2020-12-03 21:56:31 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/985857807 Shows how all of them are always on their electronic devices and you could see how they don't talk to each other. 1905468 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991004756 2020-12-06 06:32:41 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991004756 They vote for people that are better looking and not for their knowledge and their ability. 1905468 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991006991 2020-12-06 06:34:25 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991006991 It affected the woman's because they started yelling at each other because they couldn't hand it anymore. 1905468 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991013096 2020-12-06 06:39:13 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991013096 Beatty was talking about how literature became so evil. Also Montag was calm because Faber was calming him down from his ear. 1905468 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991017471 2020-12-06 06:42:39 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/991017471 it shows that the children are only on their devices and aren't engaging with their parents 1903673 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992838674 2020-12-07 04:52:33 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992838674 when they vote they vote based on how the person looks and not on how that person is going to run everything. 1903673 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992846170 2020-12-07 04:56:36 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992846170 it effected them in an emotionally way and they couldn't handle it so they started yelling at each other. 1903673 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992851010 2020-12-07 04:59:18 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992851010 Beatty was talking about how literature became so evil . Montage doesn't say anything while Faber was trying to calm him down by talking in his ear. 1903673 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992857097 2020-12-07 05:02:45 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/992857097 That the way parents raise thier kids being distrcted makes the kids hate them 1925062 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996869571 2020-12-08 04:16:58 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996869571 people dont consider people due thier views more to thier mannerisums and thier looks 1925062 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996870970 2020-12-08 04:17:57 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996870970 thier are people who still have emotinal reactuons to things people wrote 1925062 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996871959 2020-12-08 04:18:37 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996871959 beatty belives thier is no good in books for the evil montage belives thier is something in books 1925062 https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996872998 2020-12-08 04:19:20 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/996872998 Nancy Arce https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011823255 The parents raised their childs being heartless and hating each other
  ]]> 2020-12-12 02:35:56 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011823255 Nancy Arce https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011824265 Some people don't care how they look it's more about how you feel.]]> 2020-12-12 02:37:25 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011824265 Nancy Arce https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011824943 Some people are emotional.
 ]]> 2020-12-12 02:38:23 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011824943 Nancy Arce https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011825311 she talked about how evil was the end of the chapter.]]> 2020-12-12 02:38:54 UTC https://padlet.com/michelle_martinez3/z3iqk6l3ydgzwtoe/wish/1011825311