https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf Made with a curious mind en-us 2020-11-24 11:32:25 UTC 2026-02-11 04:39:37 UTC hello@padlet.com apontet https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957277560 Odysseus' encounters with Circe show Campbell's idea that challenges strike the hero's weakness because one of Odysseus's weaknesses is he is very easily attracted to and influenced by women which is something he must face in his encounter with Circe. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:04:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957277560 dus1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957279623 Encounter with Circe: I think this moment is related to Odysseus's weakness because Circe tempts him to stay for an entire year even though it may not be good for him. I think Circe was a test of his self-control, to see if he would give in or not. Since Odysseus has already faced many challenges, he gives in, which is his weakness.

Encounter with suitors: Odysseus's encounter with the suitors also tests his self-control. He is used to being powerful and has hubris, so it is difficult for him to not blow his cover before he can kill all the suitors. I think that this moment targets Odysseus' weakness because he wants to reveal himself but cannot.]]> 2020-11-24 18:04:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957279623 galligank1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957280779 I think that the moments with Circe and the offers form Phaiacia and Nausicaa are related because both tempt him so stay. Like Campbell says, these two things prey on his need for love, comfort and family. Circe offers him this love and so he stays with her. Nausicaa offers marriage, power and therefore love and he politely declines, even though it was a hrad decision. Lastly Phaiacia is comforting and safe, something he hasnt had in a long time. These people and places tempt him using things he craves (comfort, safety and love) because he hasn't had thme for so long. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:04:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957280779 apontet https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957293956 Odysseus' visit to the underworld shows Campbell's idea because one of Odysseus' weaknesses is seeing those he loves and who are close to him in pain or death, which is a weakness he has to face in this moment.]]> 2020-11-24 18:08:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957293956 galligank1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957301054 The journey to the underworld tests Odysseus need for love because he could just stay there with his mom and friends, whom he thought he lost forever but instead he goes home and continues on his way. It tests his emotions because he is seeing all these people he missed dearly back alive again. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:09:48 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957301054 apontet https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957310144 Tennyson's idea of Odysseus does not fit Homer's because Homer shows Odysseus wanting to come home and describing his home and wife as a wonderful place and person. And in Homer's description of Odysseus, Odysseus does not describe all the people of Ithaca as savage and he knows that all the people of Ithaca know who he is and what he has done.]]> 2020-11-24 18:12:07 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957310144 dus1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957312788 i think his visit to the underworld was difficult, but is loving someone a weakness?]]> 2020-11-24 18:12:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957312788 galligank1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957313500 I think that Tennyson is saying that not much will help Odysseus if he does nothing when he's home in his empty island. His wife is old and won't be impressive anymore. And his day will look the same. I think this idea is interesting a true because Odysseus has seen and done so many amazing things and now just being a king and performing civic duties may seem boring. He has been tempted by so many woman and may wish that he had chosen one of them rather than his old wife. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:12:58 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957313500 dus1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957315057 Tennyson's idea of Odysseus fits the representation of Odysseus in Homer's epic. In the poem, Odysseus is saying that he can't make much of a change if he just sits in Ithaca doing nothing. This is accurate to the epic because when Odysseus arrived in Ithaca, he immediately started faking the role of the beggar, and getting information on the suitors. He called Penelope his "aged wife," which is true in the epic because it's been twenty years since he left for Troy. He also calls the suitors a "savage race" in the poem, which shows that he hates them, just like he did in the epic. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:13:22 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957315057 galligank1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957326546 Although Tennyson's idea makes sense, I think that Odysseus has been tempted so much already. He has been tempted by countless woman whom he left or resisted including the sirens. He had many opportunities to give up, give in or continue exploring because it was easier but he didn't. Then again he may have been so set on this goal, he didn;t think about what life would be like when he gets there and there is always time to change your mind. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:16:11 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957326546 apontet https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957337057 You need the meanings provided by books 23 and 24 because they give closure and further ideas of the characters to end off the book. If the epic ended at book 22 then you would have never seen Penelope or Laertes meet and see Odysseus again. Which is what the book was leading up to every time if spoke of Penelope and Laertes and how they were grieving for Odysseus. It also gives you the idea of karma and how you should live your life with the suitors being taken to and embarrassed in the underworld where no one liked them because if how they lived. Also in the underworld you get this idea that you should recognize war veterans. And you would have never have gotten to see even more of the personality of Penelope and how she can be very strategic and tricky or the idea that Odysseus' and Penelope's bed and how it is made out of an olive tree symbolizes their marriage, things about their marriage, and things about the characters themselves. Finally, you would have never have gotten to see the full grief and personality of Laertes and how he is also strong and not completely old and weak, or how Athena showed her power and kept the peace by allowing the one who deserved to be killed, killed, and let the rest live in peace along with Ithaca.]]> 2020-11-24 18:18:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957337057 dus1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957341449 Book 22 ends with all the suitors dying. The suitors were the main problem, so it should make sense that after Odysseus gets his revenge, the epic can end. However, this ending would be a bit abrupt, and end without a real sense of closure and peace. Book 23 and 24 are so important to have because Odysseus finally gets to reunite with Penelope and Laertes without disguise anymore. The events of those two books show that Odysseus' long suffering was finally over, and he had triumphed over all challenges, not just the suitors. Odysseus did get his revenge on the suitors, but many other problems in the epic had also all been building up to an ending and reunion. Without this reunion, it would have just seemed like Odysseus overcame one of many other challenges to come. Also, the readers would be disappointed if the epic ended without a reunion and never would have seen how strong Odysseus and Penelope's marriage was. Penelope had been waiting so long, and the epic would not feel complete without them seeing each other again. Book 24 also has another encounter with Athena, which is important because she had been helping Odysseus all along.]]> 2020-11-24 18:19:53 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957341449 galligank1 https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957345821 Book 23 is very important because it is what the climax has been leading up too almost every time that we saw Penelope. The readers have been looking forward to this epic reunion especially because of Agamemnon's story about his wife betraying him. The other chapters make us think that Penelope doesn't know the beggar is Odysseus which make sit even more exciting. Book 24 is also very crucial because it brings closure to mamy other characters from the epic including Odysseus' dad, the suitors and others from the land of the dead. It brings an end to the prophecy and the story. Its the happy ending and reunion the reader has been waiting for after following Odysseus' for 10 years of his life. ]]> 2020-11-24 18:20:59 UTC https://padlet.com/sohara5/yv4lvon1m12kb5zf/wish/957345821