Compare how the writers present ideas about class in 'Fantasia’ and ‘Ode on a Grayson Perry Urn’ by https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi en-us 2018-04-27 10:08:47 UTC 2023-05-07 06:46:36 UTC hello@padlet.com Math Tone https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261126141 Both poets of Fantasia on a Theme of James Wright and Ode on a Grayson Perry Urn convey their ideas about class through tone. Turnbull presents the tone as celebratory of the “youth” and their “urban gyratory” of life. The poem’s tone is also forgiving of their “crude games” and “arrogance”. Social class in Fantasia, on the other hand, is demonstrated through the exploitation of miners as they are “gargling dust” in order to risk their life for a higher “class that dreamed itself immortalized”. Unlike Turnbull, O’Brien displays the tone as remembering rather than celebratory as he refers to “the singing of the dead inside the earth” and is disappointed by the fact that “we hardly hear of them”. 
In the poem Ode to a Grayson Perry Urn, there is no clear distinction between the classes of the teenagers, however the acts they engage in are rather bodily and degradatory pleasures, suggesting lower or middle class, which is similar to the case of the miners in Fantasia.

]]> 2018-05-16 08:18:20 UTC https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261126141 Imagery // Anna and Ben https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261126304 Both poems celebrate and glorify the working class in way that is uncommon im most ‘highbrow’ poetry. In both poems Turnball and O’Brien provide a voice for the working classes who it is suggested are unable to represtent themselves. Through ’Fantasia’ O’Brien represents the people that have lost their voice through death whereas in ‘Ode on a Grayson Perry Urn’  suggests that he is representing a class that is otherwise unable to express themselves

Both poets aim to immotalize the working class. O’Brien does this by describing the “singing of the dead inside the earth” while Tim Turnbull achieves the same effect with the line “forever, pumped on youth and ecstasy. Both poets celebrate the joy of the working class in spite of their unfortunate situation. For instance the joyfull “singing” of the miners and how Turbull glorifies the party culture he is detailing in his poem. “Each girl is buff, each geezer toned and strong”

]]> 2018-05-16 08:19:01 UTC https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261126304 Structure-ish // Edward & Kenechi https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261129927 Fantasia on a theme of James Wright is structured in tercets, with a lot of enjambment between them. The use of regular tercets is used throughout the poem to highlight the repetitive nature of mining and on a bigger scale is representative of the jobs working class people have to do just to get by. They are the tools of the rich, performing the most repeptitive, robotic and unattractive jobs and not getting any of the credit or money they deserve. 

The structure of of Ode on a Grayson Perry Urn is a translation of Keats' own with there being five stanzas, each having ten lines. This would allow it to be easily recognized to have been inspired by it -- allowing for it to be a contemporary version of those within that class, juxtaposing the old and new ideas of the traditional poem. ]]> 2018-05-16 08:33:21 UTC https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261129927 Some long sentences about imagery https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261133517 Both poets use imagery to portray, and give a voice to, forgotten members of the working class. However, the poems describe very different aspects of stereotypical working class life. "Fantasia" presents a very bleak and depressing outlook of the plight of miners- the war-like imagery in phrases like "explosions in the ocean floor" and "sinking slowly further... to black pools in the bed of the world" portray the miners as soldiers in an unending battle that is largely ignored ("We hardly hear of them"). "Grayson Perry" on the other hand describes "delineating tales of kids in cars on crap estates". The imagery consists of drug and sexual references ("pumped on youth and ecstacy", "chlamydia roulette") and has a much more colloquial tone in order to paint a 'realistic', if patronising, portrayal of a wild teenage existence void of responsibility that is immortalised through the image on the urn, or "kitschy vase". ]]> 2018-05-16 08:46:57 UTC https://padlet.com/rachel_thanassoulis/ym9gx4y6vpgi/wish/261133517