https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP Seminar 1 en-us 2018-08-28 11:39:42 UTC 2018-08-28 12:33:32 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275828871 When would you say these characters had changed to follow these norms]]> 2018-08-28 12:03:08 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275828871 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275828939 I like some of the questions that are coming from Sasha. This is helping to move the conversation along in a healthy way. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:03:37 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275828939 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275829127 In response to Sasha's question, would Edna still change if the circumstances were different, I think that Edna would still have to discover the feminist within herself, for sociatlal pressures would force her to rediscover herself.]]> 2018-08-28 12:04:26 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275829127 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275829334 In response to Sasha's question,  I think Edna wouldn't have changed under different circumstances because of the independence Edna had at the beach and her feelings for Robert wouldn't have stirred the emotions that led Edna to become independent and "awaken".]]> 2018-08-28 12:05:25 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275829334 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275830588 If Lydia hadn't gone into the lake, what would have been her escape from her circumstance?]]> 2018-08-28 12:11:12 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275830588 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275830929 I think as Marilyn's oldest daughter, Lydia was Marilyn's first opportunity for her to see her former dreams come true. Marilyn's experience with her mother polarized her feelings that she had to pursue a career along with being a mother and once that became difficult, putting it on Lydia was the only way she could fulfill these desires.]]> 2018-08-28 12:12:50 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275830929 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831241 Lydia was impressionable, Nath was not. Hannah was more or less irrelevant to James and Marilyn because she was young. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:14:11 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831241 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831253 Adding to what Sophie was talking about, Lydia had blue eyes which made her stand out.]]> 2018-08-28 12:14:13 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831253 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831894 I agree with Sasha. A main theme in all of their lives in EINTY is regret and guilt and embarrassment of their own lives and decisions. Even Jack.]]> 2018-08-28 12:17:18 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831894 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831915 Going off Justin's question, there is underlying regret in Lydia for never standing up for herself and being who she wants to be (and not what her parents want her to be). This can be seen in the scene at the pond when Lydia wants to restart her life. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:17:22 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831915 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831919 In response to Justin's question about regret, regret is one of the forces that creates human complexity. It shows the weakness and insecurities of humans as the continue to wonder upon what else they could have done. This mentality leads to changes in behavior. "You loved so hard and hoped so much and then ended up with nothing," pg 246 EINTY. This regret is what caused Marilyn to put pressures on Lydia.]]> 2018-08-28 12:17:23 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831919 krutigliano https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831960 Be sure to connect your analysis to human complexity; in addition, be sure to create balance between the two texts.


]]> 2018-08-28 12:17:32 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275831960 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832028 throughout the entire book, lydia's parents and siblings go back and reflect on points in time where they reflect on what they SHOULD HAVE known about their daughter/sister. even as early as page 4, marilyn reflects on how secretive her daughter was from a young age which only continued on with the pressures her parents continued to put on her]]> 2018-08-28 12:17:48 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832028 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832104 For Marilyn, she was on track to succeed and james sort of sprung out from under her.  Once she realized she was in too deep she was conflicted by the urge to pursue her own career and be there for her children.  This dissonance led her to leave in some ways to escape this moral dilemma, even though it was selfish. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:18:11 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832104 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832888 but by killing herself, she finally set herself free from everything she knew that she couldn't have due to the time period and societal standards]]> 2018-08-28 12:20:49 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832888 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832918 I feel like Edna killed herself because she did find herself and what she truly wanted but she also knew that realistically that wasn't possible because of the times she lived in and her family.]]> 2018-08-28 12:20:54 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275832918 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275833285 In Everything I Never Told You, one of the biggest regrets was when James was having an affair with Louisa, regretting ever marrying his wife, Marilyn.]]> 2018-08-28 12:22:09 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275833285 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275833781 imagine being a 16 year old girl when your parets have already planned out your whole life for you based off of everything they never got to do... i'm sure she felt regret from the things that she never got to do that SHE wanted to do. she didn't get to be lydia.]]> 2018-08-28 12:23:48 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275833781 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275833973 Based on what jenna just said about her parents planning everything out, do you think it is the job of your parents to show you one path in life or show you different options and possibilities to help you decide what you want to do with your life? ]]> 2018-08-28 12:24:23 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275833973 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834111 also connecting text to what i just said, i forgot which page it was on, but there was a section in the book which stated that marilyn got lydia medical textbooks and science books for christmas every year only emphasizing the fact that she didn't have the chance to be herself from a young age]]> 2018-08-28 12:24:57 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834111 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834336 i feel like it was more that she was white not beautiful]]> 2018-08-28 12:25:43 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834336 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834374 Based on what Allison said i believe that children should have the choice to plan their lives. Parents can help kids, but it should be up to children to make important life decisions. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:25:53 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834374 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834700 but they are just children]]> 2018-08-28 12:26:54 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834700 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834811 parents know whats "best"]]> 2018-08-28 12:27:17 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834811 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834933 Is the common thread of regret and insecurities to conform to social pressures the main drive that creates human complexity as people try to balance out who they are with who society wants them to be?]]> 2018-08-28 12:27:33 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275834933 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835037 they did the best they could. edna did what she thought was best for her family at the time, although in the grand scheme of things it was selfish of her. just like marilyn decided to come back and do what was "right". she gave up everything for her family and she did the best that she could do when she came back]]> 2018-08-28 12:27:59 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835037 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835046 I'm just saying that I see where Marilyn is coming from]]> 2018-08-28 12:28:01 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835046 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835282 Also, we have to take into consideration the different time periods. Mothers had different "roles" and expectation from society in the books. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:28:43 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835282 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835559 but the reader got a little sight into what life was like for james and the kids when marilyn left and it was awful. they didn't eat real food and everyone was sad all the time and james was even less attentive than usual. so, i don't think life would've been better without their mother]]> 2018-08-28 12:29:46 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835559 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835577 I feel like we saw what happened when Marilyn left, James was not fully capable of taking care of the kids. He also lost his wife and had to comes to terms with that and wasn't really taking great care of the kids. He made them peanut butter and jelly every night. I don't think or believe he could have parented by himself.]]> 2018-08-28 12:29:49 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835577 krutigliano https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835729 2018-08-28 12:30:22 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275835729 krutigliano https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836141 2018-08-28 12:31:54 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836141 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836155 I believe big part of the discussion had been that circumstances reflect society's expectations and that those expectations can create pressure and push someone to act impulsively]]> 2018-08-28 12:31:56 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836155 krutigliano https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836305 2018-08-28 12:32:27 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836305 https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836428 Society's pressures have greatly impacted the characters from both the awakening and EINTY. ]]> 2018-08-28 12:32:50 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836428 krutigliano https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836454 2018-08-28 12:32:56 UTC https://padlet.com/krutigliano/1stP/wish/275836454