Period 2: PATHOS in Tim O'Brien's Quote by Madeleine Lubin https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx Devise a claim. Embed a part (fragment) of the quote into commentary about the quote that reveals a truth about trauma and its lasting impact. en-us 2018-03-05 03:04:48 UTC 2018-03-06 15:32:39 UTC hello@padlet.com Trauma Pathos https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211315 Throughout the short stories that Tim O´Brien has written about his war experiences, the trauma within these experiences, he uses a vast amount of Pathos to really get the point through the readers head. O´Brien admits it himself that the ¨bad stuff never stops happening: it lives in it's own dimension, replaying itself over and over" (O'Brien). What O'Brien had gone through is a never ending hell for him, going through the worst times of his life, traumatizing him. He clearly remembers every detail of what had happened because like he said, it's never ending, even after the years of the war, he continues to think about the war as if it were yesterday. He's stuck with what he has to live with, for as long as he lives. This goes for everyone else who has PTSD from past war experiences.]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:05 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211315 Pathos savannahs2102 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211342 Tim O'Brien uses pathos in his slides to explain how trauma shapes you into a new person and how the experiences from trauma never go away no matter how hard you try to forget them. The horrifying experiences stay in the back of your mind throughout the rest of your life. It cause you to make a decision different then you would have if you didn't experience trauma. It might make you look at life differently. Trauma never goes away. The experience stays with you for the rest of your life. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:07 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211342 Trauma - sb sandyb4066 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211426 O'Brien insist we understand that trauma doesn't simply go away it keeps happening. He shows this by saying" it lives in it's own dimension replaying, itself over and over" (O'Brien). This persuades the reader to sympathize in trying to understand the trauma he had to undergo during war. By saying it repeats over and over it shows that it stays in your heart even if you can influence your brain to forget. This makes the reader feel bad that they had to experience those hard times and wont ever be able to forget that. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:15 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211426 Claim https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211440 2018-03-05 17:14:17 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211440 Trauma sydneyp3868 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211535 Tim O'Brien utilizes pathos in order to allow readers to understand that trauma is not something that can be pushed aside and that it stays within a person for as long as they live. O'Brien highlights the impact of trauma and how it "replays itself over and over" which gives inferences about the effects of PTSD and war trauma. He utilizes pathos in order to gain sympathy and emotional understanding. Whatever trauma someone goes through, it is permanently stuck in their thoughts for as long as they live. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211535 Pathos kimd5094 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211593 Tim O'Brien uses pathos in illustrating how trauma shape a person's character and perspectives. It led changes to a person's life, effecting them both in good ways and bad ways. Although, trauma can become a past, but as O'Brien mentioned in his quote that, "the bad stuff...lives in its own dimension" (O'Brien). This shows the many outcomes and flashbacks in relation that happens in the present and in the society, where it reminds oneself of the old thoughts of struggle and hardship. Feelings and observations cannot be erased, what we've already seen and experienced, we cannot just wish not knowing it. In order words, we cannot ignore reality. It is kind of the impossible to ignore, especially, trauma, as shown as a big and influential impact on a person, it is even harder to not refer to it. It is the pain that "haunts" us, reminding us of our old selves and how we changed and became who we are now. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211593 Trauma (Pathos) kylef2990 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211663 O'Brien insists we should understand that victims of trauma have an everlasting pain that will never disappear. He utilizes an abundance of pathos to help us synthesize with trauma patients and how they relive there most horrid memories over and over again, "into a kind of re happening" (O'Brien). O'Brien forces us to sympathize with him as he describes his "remembering" and "re happening" of the events where two of his close pals Kiowa and Curt Lemon die right in front of him. Showcasing his traumatic experience which haunts him day to day. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211663 Trauma gabrielt3936 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211773 2018-03-05 17:14:47 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211773 Claim bryantt4156 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211830 O'Brien insist that through trauma comes along, the fact that loss is imminent and through the loss and grief, it does lead to the swelling of emotion by having the traumatic events "replay itself over and over". Trauma is alluded to the impact of hurt and pain it gives and how it affects emotions within someone and how they think things through. Pathos is given through the trauma and the description of death leading to an emotional breakdown of the information. Through the experiences that are taken in by war, it leads to apathy instead of empathy and the loss of being able to communicate feelings and emotions to one another such as loved ones. O'Brien is trying to display that through trauma leads to the loss of emotion and feelings for one another.]]> 2018-03-05 17:14:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211830 freshavocado axela4168 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211966 O'Brien insists that we should understand that trauma is hard to get rid of or it won't go away because of the impact it makes in one's life as, "...it lives in its own dimension replaying itself over and over". O'Brien uses pathos to prove his claim because he states his age is very experienced which adds a sense of credibility, "I'm forty-three years old...".]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:04 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211966 Trauma Claim :) marianap3153 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211970 Tim O'Brien uses pathos to prove and examine his claim that resurfacing traumatic events could lead  to newer and bigger problems. As O'Brien writes "about these things, the remembering is turned into a  kind of rehappening."  Trauma can affect a person even if it is in the past. When one relives that experience they feel as if they were there again during that traumatic time.]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:04 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238211970 Trauma gabrielt3936 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212016 O'Brien uses Pathos to prove his claim(s) about trauma by describing his own traumatic situation as if we were there. Mentioning the bodies of their friends and noises around them puts us in that emotional and vulnerable state to prove his point that trauma affects all apart of it. As, "Curt Lemon steps into the bright sunlight, his face brown and shining, and then he soars into a tree," the reader is left in disbelief. Describing death, an already sensitive topic, makes it an uncomfortable situation for the reader, leaving us to understand his disposition. Trauma affects us all, and it leaves a permanent mark in our mind and on our lives.]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212016 Explain how O'Brien uses pathos to prove his claim(s) about Trauma anthonym33351 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212034 Tim O'Brien utilizes pathos to prove that Trauma acts as a repeating process where these people suffer the same damaging and eternal moment constantly, "The bad stuff never stops happening: it lives in its own dimension, replaying itself over and over." These traumatizing events are ingrained into their victims brain to never escape what occurred on that day. Trauma damages the mentality of that person and lives on for a lifetime. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212034 O'Brien Claim jazminm3394 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212159 Tim O'Brien used pathos in illustrating how trauma is a reoccurring experience. O'Brien wants his readers to understand that trauma is something that a person has to live with for their entire lives no matter what age they are. He makes it obvious that it has been years since his traumatic experience, yet he still gets visions of what happened during war. This makes readers feel a sense of pity towards him because his trauma is something only he can deal with and there really isn't anything one can do to make him forget it. Although one may not exactly remember their experience, "the bad stuff never stops happening". As one grows older their memory starts to fade but the traumatic experience that they lived through is still there "replaying itself over and over". ]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:22 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212159 Trauma Never ending aranzae5115 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212236 Tim O'Brien insist that we understand that trauma is a never ending battle, as the years go by people experience new things but the trauma they went through is stuck in their memories. Trauma is a difficult situation that some are fighting though everyday "replaying itself over and over" even though they acknowledge it is a memory and nothing more than that it is the same battle everyday. It is like it is "living in its own dimension" take that person into a different world when the flashbacks happen. Tim O'Brien uses pathos to impact the audience feeling allowing them to understand the feeling of war. He uses diction as a form as pathos, the powerful word he uses have an effect on the audience as he decides his experiences and feelings "into the deep muck of a shit field", O'Brien does no even consider the field as another other but instead he knows it is horrible, describing how the war is really like. This shows pathos as he tried to get the sympathy of the audience, making them feeling horrible about what they had to go through. Trauma is something that people always have to face. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:27 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212236 roberts2991 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212268 Tim O'Brien suggests that trauma is a life long change to someone's psyche due to a horrific experience existing "in its own dimension" in someone's mind and "replaying itself over and over"; constantly reminding the person of the horrors they experienced. This is how O'Brien uses pathos to support his claim about how trauma damages one's mind, permanently.]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:30 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212268 Pathos phillipd3333 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212453 Tim O'Brien uses pathos in his writing to support his argument that trauma never goes away, and it would haunt its victims for the rest of their lives. Trauma "...never stops happening: it lives in its own dimension, replaying itself over and over." Trauma that "never stops happening" creates a negative, scary tone where trauma seems to be forever incurable. It ties into pathos because O'Brien uses his own writing process to communicate that he can never forget the worst things he saw during war, making readers feel sorry for him.]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212453 Trauma/Pathos vivianh3141 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212492 Trauma, though it may had happened years ago, may resurface again in the form of vivid memories. Through his recollection of death and war during his writing, Tim O'Brien uses pathos to prove that "The bad stuff never stops happening: [the trauma] lives in its own dimension, replaying itself over and over" (O'Brien). While wounds and scars can heal and fade, trauma may last forever, as with O'Brien, who even after many years, can still remember the graphic details of Kiowa's and Curt Lemon's moments before, during, and after death. This thus solidifies his claim on how trauma is something that will always remain with you, even if you can't remember it, it is somewhere deep inside, ready to be unearthed again one day.]]> 2018-03-05 17:15:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212492 Trauma-Pathos katelyna3423 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212584 Tim O'Brien uses pathos demonstrating how trauma cannot be forgotten and how it stays with that person for the rest of their lives. It is not something that can be easily pushed away because it, " [turns] into a kind of rehappening" (O'Brien). This utilizes pathos because it makes us feel like they have gone through so much and all that is left with them are the memories that have caused them trauma and that is something that they have to carry and live with. The experiences and the things they saw have no way of being vanished from their memories. It is something that cannot be ignored because trauma has a big impact on a person. To those people that have been in war, the "...bad stuff never stops happening" (O'Brien). It is an unbearable pain that constantly reminds us how that has changed the way we are now, ]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:01 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212584 Trauma-Tara Sadighi https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212600 Tim O'Brien wants us to understand that trauma is a reoccurring thing that people experience, which leads to many changes in a person's life the,' bad stuff never stops happening" (Tim O'Brien), for some people trauma replays over and over, constantly as a reminder of all the things that has happened.]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:03 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212600 pathos cheylar3312 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212695 Tim O'Brien insits that trauma will always be part of us. Once we experience trauma it will always be with us no matter how much time passes or how much we want to push it away. ''the bad stuff never stops happening: it lives in it's own dimension , replaying itself over and over'' (O'Brien). 
 
]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212695 Tim O'Brien's Use of Pathos UwU elisap3470 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212735 Tim O'Brien wants us to understand that memories from a traumatic experience never truly fade away by using the rhetorical device of pathos. By explaining in grim detail the deaths of his friends, their bodies "hanging in pieces from a tree" and the "deep muck of a shit field", he makes the reader feel distressed by what he's experienced. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:14 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212735 Pathos eeang4097 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212844 Tim O' Brein uses pathos to prove his claims about trauma in the military. He describes each traumatic in detail as he remembers it to show how the experiences haunt him. The images he is providing for the reader may not be include gore although the images replaying over and over haunt him. We as the readers understand that his time serving is over although for himself "the bad stuff never stops happening; replaying it over and over."]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:22 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212844 Claim https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212857 Tim O'Brien uses pathos to illustrate how trauma can never go truly go away. While someone such as O'Brien can be writing one second the next he could be watching "Kiowa sinking into the deep muck". While it might fade into the background over time, it is the memories and the feeling of the pain that can resurface at any time. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:24 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212857 O'Brien trauma claim https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212867 O'Brien uses pathos in his writing in order to demonstrate that trauma isn't something that goes away but is rather put away and could resurface at any moment. When describing his experience with trauma, O'Brien acknowledges that "the remembering is turned into a kind of rehappening... it lives in its own dimension"(O'Brien). Thus, the "rehappening" of the trauma occurs with the "remembering". It is evident that trauma will never go away because it is impossible to not "remember" what happened in an eventful part of ones life. Further, it has "its own dimension" because the trauma brings a new perspective.]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212867 Trauma https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212879 Tim O'Brien insists we understand that trauma is not a one-time event, but a permanent scar in our head.  When O'Brien uses graphic imagery to explain the situations he had endured, it gives us as the readers a sense of his trauma. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238212879 Trauma Claim faithf2137 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213027 Tim O'Brian wants to get us to understand the lasting impact of trauma by showing how it never leaves us and how once it has happened, it continues to replay itself. He uses pathos by discussing moments he has dealt with and how he has lived through it. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:40 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213027 Pathos sofiaa2008 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213037 O'Brien reveals a truth about trauma and its lasting impact and how trauma "lives in its own dimension,replaying itself over and over". He is expressing how trauma is unrelenting, it never fully goes away. He personifies trauma as a stronger being that exists within oneself.]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:41 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213037 :) joselynat3338 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213093 Tim O'Brien wants us to understand that trauma isn't something you can just get over and forget about. He wants us to realize that trauma is what makes us and shapes us into people we are. He wants us to sympathize with him and comprehend that "the bad stuff never stops happening, it lives in it's own dimension, replaying itself over and over". Trauma is a permanent battle scar that stays with one forever having a lifelong impact. By using imagery, O'Brien describes in great detail the death of kiowa and Curt making the reader feel nothing but sorrowness.]]> 2018-03-05 17:16:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213093 Trauma christophera4237 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213361 Tim O'Brien uses pathos to help us understand that trauma never goes away. It, " lives in its own dimension, replaying itself over and over" (O'Brien). O'Brien uses pathos by making us feel bad for him because the trauma never goes away. He have sympathy. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:17:07 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213361 Tim O'Brien claim marial4090 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213410 Tim O'Brien want us to understand that trauma never truly heals and go away. O'Brien wants us to understand that the "bad stuff never stops happening:it lives in its own dimension." He uses pathos to convey to the reader his grievances and his frustration towards those who don't understand the truth behind trauma. O'Brien uses the words "bad things'' to portray a vulnerability towards the trauma to get the audience to sympathize with war veterans. O'Brien uses pathos in order to tug at the audience's heartstrings. He uses this to prove his claim about trauma never truly going away by explaining the reoccurring traumatic experiences.]]> 2018-03-05 17:17:11 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213410 Pathos cesarg4098 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213854 Tim O'Brien uses pathos to help us understand that trauma is not something that can just go away as soon as the source of the trauma is gone. He says that in one moment he could be simply enjoying his life at home and the next he sees "Curt Lemon hanging in pieces from a tree" or he might be watching "Kiowa sinking into the deep muck of a s*** field". This shows that even though he is years and miles away from the time and place where he experienced this trauma he is still heavily affected by it and has to relive these moments in his own mind. This could cause an amazing amount of stress and pain for these veterans as they try to just live their normal lives and try to be happy relaxing with their families especially when they don't understand the pain that they are in. This reveals O'Brien's want for us to understand that these traumas can't just be brushed off because the war is over and we need to understand that veterans need a very long time to recover from them]]> 2018-03-05 17:17:45 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238213854 Pathos (sc) savannahc1785 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238214655 O'Brien uses pathos to prove his claim that trauma is everlasting. He describes Kiowa and Lemons death in perfect detail like it happened yesterday. He makes the reader feel the hardships he felt in war and the trauma that follows him in his day to day life. While O'Brien writes "about these things, the remembering is turned into a kind of rehappening", (O'Brien).  ]]> 2018-03-05 17:18:50 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238214655 Trauma andreap4266 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238214743 Tim O'brien wants us to understand that trauma is a never ending situation. Trauma is a thing that is ingrained in one who has dealt with trauma. "The bad stuff never stops happening" it stays with the person as a constant reminder of what had happened in the past. O'bien uses pathos to be able to prove that trauma is something that in the long term ends up effecting a person and their mental state because all they could do is remember the bad thing that lead them to be traumatized in the first place. Its a situation where the "remembering is turned into a kind of re happening" all over again for them which doesn't allow them to live in their present live but to keep reliving the painful past. ]]> 2018-03-05 17:19:00 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238214743 [J]Claim jeremys2995 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238215516 Tim O'Brien insists that we understand trauma is the way that it is everlasting, and therefore over time it is altered from its original source, even though "... the war has been over for a long while" and "much of it is hard to remember" (O'Brien). O'Brien uses pathos to prove is claim about trauma by stating his predicament that even though he is 43 and the war is long-gone, he still suffers as "The bad never stops happening" (O'Brien).]]> 2018-03-05 17:19:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238215516 aryannaj0788 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238215969 This post NEEDS COMMENTARY.
This teaches us that the effects of traumatic experiences  are everlasting and will continue to be a part of us "[living] in its own dimension, replaying itself over and over."]]> 2018-03-05 17:20:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238215969 Tim mathews1818 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238216557 After experiencing trauma, people tend to hold onto it which makes them replay it in their minds and relive it constantly. The trauma is one where, "The bad stuff never stops happening: it lives in its own dimension, replaying itself over and over". The state of ones mind after trauma shows a sense of PATHOS because of them having to deal with it because it "never stops". PATHOS in this claim, used in the quote, is displayed by stating that the person is in constant attack mentally everyday.]]> 2018-03-05 17:21:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238216557 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238233906 2018-03-05 17:46:00 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238233906 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238233984 2018-03-05 17:46:07 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238233984 elisap3470 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238671069 2018-03-06 15:32:34 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238671069 elisap3470 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238671113 2018-03-06 15:32:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238671113 elisap3470 https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238671137 2018-03-06 15:32:39 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/xoe9io96xilx/wish/238671137