Class discussion and notes by Dameon Wardle https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626 en-us 2017-11-27 15:43:38 UTC 2017-11-27 16:42:29 UTC hello@padlet.com Nick Cox https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210488388 People in history are three dimensional, and we should not judge people based only on one bad decision. In Wolf Hall Thomas More is portrayed as a rather loud and indignant rebel. He almost seems to try to push his view upon parliament. Young Thomas More's rejection of Cromwell's wave, seems to capture the view of Thomas more expressed in this adaptation. That he is a severe, closed person. The other film Shows Thomas more as a passionate, dignified, but staunch man. In this film he seems honorable. Thomas More stands for what is good in this film. He means no harm in one film and in the other seems to mean harm to the church and country. The main difference seems to be that in one film Thomas More is portrayed as a victim, and in the other he is portrayed as a person whose indignant stubbornness has gotten him killed.]]> 2017-11-27 16:16:11 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210488388 Noah Smith https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210489327 Thomas Moore Short Movie:
-The entire church and country is without the authority of God.
-connected to Cromwell since he was a Child , but distant. 
-Cromwell seems to sympathize with Moore but is disappointed in him for bringing this on himself. 
-Cromwell does not defend himself but continues steadfastly in course 

-Cromwell accuses Richard rich of lying under oath, and swears upon his own salvation. 
-he quotes scripture 
-He questions human governments power to decree Leander’s of Gods church
-jury does not consider evidence
-he proposes that 
-He denies being malicious and that his standing for God is for the best of all people. 

]]> 2017-11-27 16:17:34 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210489327 Rebekah Crow https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210489625 Man for all seasons: Thomas More is portrayed as a man who is honorable and in an effect a victim of the hostile Cromwell who condemn More with the help of the unhonorable doing of Richard. He is a God fearing and loving man, and died defending him and his law. He is forgiving to the King and people who are killing him despite knowing they are killing an innocent and holy man.

Wolf Hall: Thomas More is kinda seen as a crazed man in court disgracing the government and assisting those verbally in court. In the flashbacks it shows him as a snobbish rich kid who ignored and forsook the kindness of Cromwell as a boy. Overall he wasn’t portrayed very well/nicely until the end, when he held the gaze of Cromwell showing his vulnerability/ humane side before being beheaded ending his insanity and dishonor.  


]]> 2017-11-27 16:17:58 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210489625 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210490320 Thomas Moore:
(Wolf Hall)
-disruptive
-passionate in claim
-Calm disposition
-Submissive to his fate
-Hated by society
As a child, not very nice and Cromwell is the kind and charitable character here. Whereas in the end, he becomes the one in the position of accusation, and Moore is in the position of needing mercy.
Vid 2
Thomas Moore-
-Accepting of his fate
-Old, worn, and peaceful
-Confident in his message, despite consequences
-Bodly speaks against court and jury
-Hated by society
-Outsmarts the court system, and angers them with his wit]]> 2017-11-27 16:18:56 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210490320 Alexi Speas https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210490440 Video 1
Thomas Moore:
- argumentative
-Calm and submissive to death 
- hair and dress was unruly
Video 2
-Good with words
-Witty
-Well-dressed/ of high standing
Video 3

]]> 2017-11-27 16:19:05 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210490440 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210490630 In the first video Thomas More is portrayed as reprimanding and not agreeing with society, serious, not very friendly but also has a calm demeanor. In the second video Thomas Moore is portrayed as defensive, authoritative, strong-willed and bold. ]]> 2017-11-27 16:19:20 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210490630 Alicia Taylor https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210491402 Thomas Moore in Wolf Hall: Video 1
-Hated for his opinions
-Stood for what he believed
-Submissive to his fate
-Calm
-Privileged child

Thomas Moore in A Man For All Seasons: Video 2
-Well spoken/Eloquent
-Strong
-Accepting to the consequences of not giving up
-Not shown any sympathy
-Not apologetic, he did what he thought was right
-Didn’t give in to peer pressure even when given many opportunities 
-Took the opportunity to share what he believed
-Loud in his beliefs
-Confident, even when knowing his fate

Video 3:


]]> 2017-11-27 16:20:31 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210491402 Cyanne Smith https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210491545 Thomas Moore Video 1: Thomas Moore is pertraded as an loud, disruptive man in court that causes an uprising in disagreement.
Video 2: He accepts his consequence, he speaks confidently against the court after knowing what is going to happen.

]]> 2017-11-27 16:20:45 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210491545 Meg Conley megconley723 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210492943 Video 1: Moore was shown as a defiant man in court that caused a lot of disagreement. 

Video 2: He calmly presented his argument even when Richard twisted what he said, but gave up on any possibility of escaping execution ]]> 2017-11-27 16:22:46 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210492943 Hailey Lohnes https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210493051 Thomas More (wolf Hall) was portrayed as disruptive and hated by his community. 
In flash backs he was shown as a well off child that was not very nice. 

Thomas more (man for all seasons) is p’ortrayed as an honorable man. 

Thomas more video 3 is portrayed as a guilty of high treason but remains calm and is able to speak concerning his mind. ]]> 2017-11-27 16:22:55 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210493051 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210493062 Is conscious a valid justification for disent?  If so, what gives us our conscious or the opinions that form our conscious?
Thomas More uses his Conscious as his argument, and is killed for it. Does that then disregard the value of opinion and personal experiences? Where do we draw the line between validating opinions of individuals and following the popular descision?

]]> 2017-11-27 16:22:56 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210493062 mckenna_maloney https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210494478 Video 1
Thomas Moore is portrayed as a traitor, who has somewhat lost his mind. The flashbacks show him as a privileged/wealthy child who was rude and ignored those below him. 
Video 2
Thomas is portrayed as a victim. Although he tried to deny it he saw the court had other plans, and accepted his fate. The court is in the wrong in this video, as Thomas was clearly portrayed to be in the right. ]]> 2017-11-27 16:24:49 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210494478 Kayla Fairbanks https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210494837 He seems to just accept where he is and the station that he holds. There is no sympathy for him. ]]> 2017-11-27 16:25:19 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210494837 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495079 Disrespectful and ignorant ]]> 2017-11-27 16:25:40 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495079 Bethanie Hudson https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495116 Thomas Moore in Wolf Hall was seen as an individual who went against social customs and deserved his sentence

Moore is portrayed in A Man for All Seasons as an innocent man condemned for his silence but finally stands up and roasts everyone in the courtroom especially Sir Richard.... RICHARD IS A SNAKE]]> 2017-11-27 16:25:43 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495116 In the beginning Thomas Moore is seen as an outcast who is a bit crazy. In the scenes of the flashbacks he is seen more as a stuck up boy . In the last video he is still seen as a man who goes against society. He does hold up his own beliefs at the end. https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495514 2017-11-27 16:26:12 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495514 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495664 Hated in his childhood and adulthood]]> 2017-11-27 16:26:25 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495664 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495739 The two thomas’ switched places. And Thomas Moore was a mean kid. Each clip made Thomas seem brave as we was about to die. And they made the other people seem malicious ]]> 2017-11-27 16:26:32 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495739 Jesse Moses jesse_moses https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495940 (Wolf Hall) Thomas Moore was not liked for his opinions and was called a traitor for his beliefs, but he was firm and stood by them even when he was faced with death. As a child he was spoiled and not very kind. 

(A man for all seasons) Thomas Moore is accepting of the sentence he receives after he explains himself and his thoughts after he is sentenced. His thought process is all in line with the laws placed in the land, but because of this he is found guilty of treason because it goes against something beneficial to the king.

]]> 2017-11-27 16:26:51 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210495940 Abby Taylor https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210498274 He is very calm and acceptant of his fate.

]]> 2017-11-27 16:30:09 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210498274 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210499877 It’s interesting to see the difference between his two defenses. In the first he seemed only angry with a devil may care attitude towards everything. But in the second, his opinion and conscious was very logical and thought out, based on a perfect source and maintained with more grit than I can imagine. Why does one perspective villianize him while another celebrates him?]]> 2017-11-27 16:32:19 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210499877 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210501172 He’s very confident in what he believes. He will defend it to the death.]]> 2017-11-27 16:33:57 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210501172 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210502653 It is interesting that he uses the word bend. This kingdom is supposed to be following God and have a strong church, yet their own king wants them to bend the rules they have been brought up on for all their lives. It gives more of a perspective of what it would be like to face bending your standards for your king when you know it is wrong. ]]> 2017-11-27 16:35:52 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210502653 https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210503663 Portrayed as guilty of high treason but stands up for what he knows actually happened and didn’t let the others change his mind a single bit]]> 2017-11-27 16:37:14 UTC https://padlet.com/dameonwardle/xn6rf4d1h626/wish/210503663