Modest Proposal Fishbowl P5 by Susan Busch https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5 en-us 2019-01-17 04:53:19 UTC 2025-11-21 16:25:32 UTC hello@padlet.com In Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807650 2019-01-17 17:34:17 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807650 Hello anigro https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807706 Hello
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]]> 2019-01-17 17:34:22 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807706 Hi ahartman16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807763 :)

]]> 2019-01-17 17:34:28 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807763 lkelly53 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807906 My doctor says I should NOT be here

]]> 2019-01-17 17:34:40 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321807906 jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808015 2019-01-17 17:34:46 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808015 Infants abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808172 2019-01-17 17:34:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808172 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808501 hello there]]> 2019-01-17 17:35:13 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808501 jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808600 2019-01-17 17:35:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808600 hi kyatsko https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808636 2019-01-17 17:35:27 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808636 i have arrived aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808798 2019-01-17 17:35:44 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808798 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808895 2019-01-17 17:35:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321808895 hi molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321809160 hi]]> 2019-01-17 17:36:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321809160 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321809639 2019-01-17 17:37:17 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321809639 kyatsko https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811042 Swift seems to place blame on the upper classes for living lavishly while hundred of thousands of people starve

]]> 2019-01-17 17:39:37 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811042 bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811100 Overpopulation is the most key dilemma throughout Ireland, which becomes an issue that Swift discusses.

]]> 2019-01-17 17:39:43 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811100 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811175 Swift seems to blame the upper class and Irish government for the problems of Ireland. However, he also claims that while the goverment has gotten lazy, the common people too have grown to be inable to change.]]> 2019-01-17 17:39:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811175 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811214 Swift seems to be commenting on the discrimination against Roman Catholics. He mentions the paints them as a plague and notes how his plan helps to rid of them.]]> 2019-01-17 17:39:55 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811214 He blames the rich people and they are one of the targets as well as politicians ecrow3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811433 2019-01-17 17:40:15 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321811433 cdairo https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321812202 I believe the social condition was the established protestant governing aristocracy amid the country's poor Catholic population.


]]> 2019-01-17 17:41:29 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321812202 anigro https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321812357 Swift i feel is trying to solve an unsolvable problem and I agree with rose]]> 2019-01-17 17:41:44 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321812357 bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321812396 Swift makes the argument feel like he actually has a scientific or accurate solution to the conflict.]]> 2019-01-17 17:41:48 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321812396 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321813485 I agree that the government is responsible for the condition of its people]]> 2019-01-17 17:42:52 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321813485 ecrow3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321813986 The fifth because he is talking about the recipes for the rich to eat the children]]> 2019-01-17 17:43:46 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321813986 anigro https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814130 I agree with kelly seeing how swift is reacting ]]> 2019-01-17 17:44:00 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814130 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814171 I said that the second advantage was the most cynical because it talked about how children would be more valuable as food than alive. It dehumanizes them and seems to criticize the obsession with greed and efficiency.]]> 2019-01-17 17:44:04 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814171 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814306 i agree with Jeffrey in that suggesting the wearing of baby skin would be fashionable and thrifty]]> 2019-01-17 17:44:19 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814306 I also agree with Aliyah in that the wives should sell their best children as if they were prized calfs molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814847 2019-01-17 17:45:10 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814847 cdairo https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814958 I said the third one is the most sardonic because he is proposing an economic plan that involves selling children and he has this so planned out that he named a specific amount.

]]> 2019-01-17 17:45:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814958 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814961 I agree that the sixth point (marriage) is the most sardonic. It dehumanizes children, stating that parents would sell their children, and would only love them for the income they could bring to their family.]]> 2019-01-17 17:45:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814961 anigro https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814975 I feel as tho rose is stating a very true and well worded statement]]> 2019-01-17 17:45:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321814975 bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321815651 I believe Jeff has a point, he is making considerable arguments.

]]> 2019-01-17 17:46:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321815651 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321815658 It is also sardonic how Swift dehumanizes children so much that they would be better as food or clothing]]> 2019-01-17 17:46:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321815658 kyatsko https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816090 Swift is, in an ironic way, sticking up for the poor children, displaying how they are dehumanized because of their status]]> 2019-01-17 17:47:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816090 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816578 I agree that the modern reader should understand that misogyny was a standard thing in that time. the reader should look over it to see Swift's real point, eating children]]> 2019-01-17 17:48:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816578 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816635 I agree that the context of the period affected these views, but they do not affect his criticisms of the treatment of the poor. It doesn't seem to affect this point]]> 2019-01-17 17:48:29 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816635 cdairo https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816662 Alyssa states a very good point that makes sense considering the rhetorical occasion at the time.

]]> 2019-01-17 17:48:32 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816662 bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816754 At the time, people had different viewpoints about women, believing that they have specific duties to fulfill, wherein now, in modern days, we have different viewpoints.

]]> 2019-01-17 17:48:42 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816754 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816835 I agree that while a modern reader may notice and take offense, however, as this was written in older times, people viewed it as okay]]> 2019-01-17 17:48:53 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321816835 anigro https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817158 Yes Kelly I agree that he just adds to his points and makes them strongers against society

]]> 2019-01-17 17:49:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817158 ecrow3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817165 I agree some of it may have been intentional and a part of his persona]]> 2019-01-17 17:49:32 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817165 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817167 eating children is absurd]]> 2019-01-17 17:49:32 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817167 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817286 Swift also dehumanizes women so that they are only seen as breeders and growers]]> 2019-01-17 17:49:41 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817286 kyatsko https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817461 While the contents of this work are horrible, if presented as satire, Swift's argument would be quite effective]]> 2019-01-17 17:50:04 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817461 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817685 I also agree of the possibility of the misogyny as being intentional]]> 2019-01-17 17:50:29 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817685 ecrow3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817836 He is creating a mocking persona of politicians who try to make solutions that just rely on logic and not human nature

]]> 2019-01-17 17:50:44 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321817836 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818297 He seems to want readers to view him as being intelligent, respectable, and trustworthy. He mentions many times calulations, studies, etc. which contribute to the facade he is trying to put up.]]> 2019-01-17 17:51:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818297 bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818466 Jeff is so smart.]]> 2019-01-17 17:51:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818466 Sarcasm kyatsko https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818696 2019-01-17 17:52:18 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818696 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818750 thanks braheem ]]> 2019-01-17 17:52:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818750 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818939 I agree that this could be seen as totally sophisticated or as totally sarcastic]]> 2019-01-17 17:52:42 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321818939 logan u should say something bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819059 2019-01-17 17:52:55 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819059 ecrow3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819071 He uses facts and figures to show how many politicians do this when trying to make solutions but not thinking of the people as people but as numbers]]> 2019-01-17 17:52:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819071 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819306 He makes sure to start his proposal by defining the poor as the problem. He builds further on this by describing in derogatory terms and quantifies their output much like livestock. This is shown through usage of words like breeders and meat.]]> 2019-01-17 17:53:19 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819306 kyatsko https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819518 he organizes the passage to first say he has a solution to the problem, before he presents his idea of treating poor children like livestock]]> 2019-01-17 17:53:42 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819518 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819755 accuse the author of 🤬]]> 2019-01-17 17:54:08 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819755 wow joey you are so smart and you are really contributing to the discussion bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819947 2019-01-17 17:54:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321819947 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820091 🤬]]> 2019-01-17 17:54:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820091 ecrow3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820257 🤬]]> 2019-01-17 17:55:04 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820257 cdairo https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820323 🤬 is a really good connection





]]> 2019-01-17 17:55:12 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820323 aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820369 He uses words like "breeders", "flesh", "meat", "cattle", etc. to dehumanize the poor.]]> 2019-01-17 17:55:18 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820369 🤬 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820515 2019-01-17 17:55:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820515 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820694 if u say geno cide it bleeps it]]> 2019-01-17 17:55:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820694 bbaylor https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820845 good job Kelly, you are contributing to this conversation really well]]> 2019-01-17 17:56:07 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820845 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820862 🤬]]> 2019-01-17 17:56:09 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321820862 goodbye my firneds aciostekdellandre https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321821645 2019-01-17 17:57:36 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321821645 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321821704 🤬]]> 2019-01-17 17:57:43 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321821704 🤬 Nathen https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321827281 2019-01-17 18:07:46 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/321827281 bryon jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322229195 2019-01-18 17:28:04 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322229195 abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230184 Starting with something normal sounding so he begins to establish a tone and ethos.]]> 2019-01-18 17:30:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230184 Katherine is right. Contextualization is needed for this argument. aquill https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230187 2019-01-18 17:30:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230187 ahartman16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230272 I agree that he is trying to introduce the solutions in order to get the audience engaged before introducing his dark humorous thought process as to how to get there.]]> 2019-01-18 17:30:35 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230272 If the sentence had ended with "food", the reader would have ended the sentence and been shocked. Swift needs the reader to keep moving, so he doesn't end there, and chooses to continue writing in a way that will appeal to his reader. Swift moves focus away from the sudden shift from children to food, and brings the attention onward to food and all of the good things that it can be with words like "stewed" and "roasted". jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230422 2019-01-18 17:30:54 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230422 i agree that he is trying to state that he is trying to win people over and get them to agree with him before he goes into this absurd point of eating babies kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230437

]]> 2019-01-18 17:30:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230437 He should have been more careful about the readers jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230702 2019-01-18 17:31:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230702 It helps create an ethos of an upper class solution maker to set up the satire abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230813 2019-01-18 17:31:47 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230813 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230862 It adds to his ethos, if her appears more reasonable before his proposal ]]> 2019-01-18 17:31:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322230862 In paragraph 17, Swift states that the children be bought while they are still alive, just as pigs for roasting are. By continuing to make crazier and crazier claims, Swift makes his original plan sound much more plausible. jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322231232 2019-01-18 17:32:37 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322231232 Although there is some patriotism he does have some contempt for people who continue to come up with bad solutions for the problem. abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322231853 2019-01-18 17:33:52 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322231853 I agree that he is adding to his ethos by building on his accountability through appealing to patriotism. ahartman16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232014 2019-01-18 17:34:12 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232014 kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232418 patriotism is part of this because he is talking about how the country is struggling and he is proposing how to save the country's economy]]> 2019-01-18 17:35:02 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232418 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232515 The Irish definitely hated the ruling king, so they could unite under that common ground]]> 2019-01-18 17:35:13 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232515 He is addressing the country's society as a whole, making it patriotic ahartman16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232625 2019-01-18 17:35:31 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322232625 Is it really the few? abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322233585 2019-01-18 17:37:37 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322233585 Throughout the next section, paragraphs 21-26, Swift makes quite a few assumptions, some of which include: that people will be open to eating their youth, that all tenants are poor, that selling human meat will automatically fix the economy, that couples are constantly having babies, that people will enjoy the flavor of human babies and they will become a popular dish, that all marriages are abusive and people neglect their kids, and that his proposal will ultimately reduce suffering. jcarr32 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322233932 2019-01-18 17:38:26 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322233932 He targets specific groups that have a lot of power. aquill https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322234247 2019-01-18 17:39:11 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322234247 I agree that he is calling out the protestants kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322234539 2019-01-18 17:39:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322234539 It is ironic that he is trying to address major problems in society by offering even more problematic solutions ahartman16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322235519 2019-01-18 17:42:09 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322235519 The irony contributes to the satire and the author's want for a solution. He proposes an extreme and outrageous solution and states the "extreme" solutions of other. abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236024 2019-01-18 17:43:16 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236024 i agree that he is trying to say something absurd so that they will agree with a more middle of the roaad solution kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236364 2019-01-18 17:44:02 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236364 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236497 his solution is based on math which makes him seem more seasonably]]> 2019-01-18 17:44:23 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236497 I agree with Austin in that he may have so much passion for his country which is why he is so extreme aquill https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236900 2019-01-18 17:45:14 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322236900 its so laggy abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237174 2019-01-18 17:45:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237174 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237178 the country is finite, its resources finite. if life is left unchecked life will cease to exist. it's simple calculus. ]]> 2019-01-18 17:45:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237178 why does padlet keep lagging? kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237267 2019-01-18 17:45:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237267 I think that he is just trying to assume a persona that is different from himself to continue the satire further kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237561 2019-01-18 17:46:35 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322237561 I agree that he is leaving them off on a random point to keep them thinking and questioning not only his thoughtd, but their society too. ahartman16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238428 2019-01-18 17:48:26 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238428 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238530 Jeff and Swift are Thanos]]> 2019-01-18 17:48:34 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238530 good point Amelia kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238648 2019-01-18 17:48:49 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238648 o tyler I see you making intellectual conversation kagambone https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238940 2019-01-18 17:49:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322238940 They've had a potato famine or two. abrennan16 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322239251 2019-01-18 17:50:02 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322239251 molstad https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322240217 Swift has a Thanos mindset]]> 2019-01-18 17:51:55 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322240217 jcocci https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322240423 i agree with max]]> 2019-01-18 17:52:25 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp5/wish/322240423