(STEM C & D) Are you in favor of or against the Christian practice of baptizing infants? by Jose Alvaro Adizon https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2 A Debate with No Filters en-us 2022-08-11 02:14:51 UTC 2022-08-12 17:28:04 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f476.png Put the main statement of your argument like this. jaadizon https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2258660308 Put it under the appropriate column. You can develop your argument further in this text box. Add an image or chart or graphic if you think this will help support your argument. ]]> 2022-08-11 02:14:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2258660308 Other sample argument jaadizon https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2258660309 Lorem ipsum.]]> 2022-08-11 02:14:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2258660309 The act of Baptism does not harm nor has any negative effects on infants. If anything it saves their soul or it's just like giving them a bath. mrrodriguez11 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2258983842 If there is God and Baptism is one of its requirements to enter Heaven, then one should be baptized. However, if God does not really exist, then baptizing infants is just like giving them a bath. Filipinos usually say "wala namang mawawala" as a way to describe this kind of dilemma about believing in something that pushes them into believing it.]]> 2022-08-11 11:20:16 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2258983842 Baptism is not done as an act of imposing a religion, but as suggesting a religion athowell https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259009679 Having your child baptized does not mean they have to be proud Catholics or Catholics at all. The truth is, once that person is baptized, at any point in their life they can always abandon that religion. Put it like this, if you paint your newborn child's nursery blue, it does not mean it is their favorite color, because one day they can end up liking red. In a world that is ever evolving like ours is today, where people choose to stray away from their biological sex and choose to identify as whatever they desire, religion becomes just as expendable. Leaving the argument of forcing one on a newborn child a fallacy, because one day they will make their own choices.]]> 2022-08-11 12:14:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259009679 People should not be baptized as infants because they cannot repent. ddumali https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259019840 Acts 2:38 says that if you repent and be baptized in Jesus' name, you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This verse clearly states that when one is to be baptized, they need to repent. Infants do not have the capacity to make their own decisions and repent, hence they cannot receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Should they not be baptized at a later age, knowing that repentance is a clear prerequisite to baptism?]]> 2022-08-11 12:33:41 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259019840 Baptism is like a reset for a person. https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259021635 As how we reset in a game to get a fresh start. Baptism is a fresh start so the kid can be raised in a proper way.]]> 2022-08-11 12:36:58 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259021635 Baptism is not a necessity as it does not determine who you are and who you are to become. jtpadilla1 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259028658 Why is baptism even done? In Christianity, it is a means of being a part of the "Church" (capital C) or being a part of God's "people". Many would usually associate Baptism with being able to enter heaven. A lot of people say that one cannot enter heaven nor can one be in the grace of God unless they are not baptized. Some may even say that a person can never be "Good" if they are not baptized or even part of a religion. However, it is possible that any person (atheist or religionless) could be just as good as baptized people. Even Pope Francis in a famous conversation he had with a young boy, who asked about his atheist father that passed, said that even someone like his father (a father who has lived a morally good life for his family) could enter heaven. Every person has that sense of the Good. Every person is capable of acting in a way that is directed towards a Good. And so going back to the question of "Should babies be baptized?", it is not a necessity and so it is fine if parents do not baptize their child/children. Parents are allowed to have their child/children baptized, however, they should respect what kind of beliefs their child/children would have in the future as any person of any religion could be just as good as any baptized individual, sometimes even better. After all, we are all human and every single one of us decides which future and life we are to live, may it be good or bad. ]]> 2022-08-11 12:49:09 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259028658 Religious beleif is a part of culture and baptism should be seen as an important part of one's heritage ,culture and tradition rpleda https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259031724 Baptism shouldnt be seen as the indocrination of ones beleif. Parents have everyright to baptise their children, just as every italian parents have the right to feed their child italian food. However, I do beleive that the child has every right; based on religious liberty, not to beleive in those beleifs that they were a customed to , once they grown up and matured enough to make that decision.]]> 2022-08-11 12:54:28 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259031724 The practice of baptizing infants creates questioning about their freedom. fvcerezo https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259032792  Baptism is free, that is, not necessary for salvation. A baptized person, even if he wishes it, cannot lose grace, no matter how much he sins, unless he refuses to believe. Those who are baptized are obliged only to have faith, but not to observe the whole law of Christ. Baptized persons are not obliged to observe all the precepts of the Church, written and traditional, unless of their own accord they wish to submit to them.]]> 2022-08-11 12:56:16 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259032792 Infants should be baptized as they should be free of the sins of original sin. After the baby starts getting more knowledgeable about religion they then should be able to freely choose whether they would stay in the religion or choose a different path. jgdones https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259035505 2022-08-11 13:00:30 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259035505 If Jesus died for our sins, then what is the point? agborromeo https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259044235 God came down, as Jesus, to die for mankind's sins. Absolving us of original sin. If infants aren't born as sinners, or sinful, then why bother with baptism? Isn't that what Paul was trying to warn us of in Galatians 5? To avoid tradition, and the "law"; instead our faith and love alone is what counts.]]> 2022-08-11 13:14:22 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259044235 On its own, the practice of baptizing infants does not necessarily force them to become Christians jjtan3 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259057586 Baptizing an infant is only a single Christian sacrament. As a person grows up and learns more about the world, he or she can always choose whether they will stay or change their beliefs. Any problems of freedom don't really come from the practice of baptism itself, but rather from the way the child is brought up. It is not baptism or the religion itself that forces someone to believe it, but rather people who may have harshly imposed it on the person in his or her childhood. Baptism merely opens the doors to the Christian faith, and they will always be open for a baptized individual to leave or return.]]> 2022-08-11 13:30:55 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259057586 If babies can't choose their names or birthplace, then why can't the parents baptize a baby? ltreyes2 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259083858 Parents know what is best for their children, especially when they are still young. Babies aren't capable yet forming huge decisions. That is why parents have a huge responsibility for their development. So, they will choose the perfect religion for their child, which is their religion also.]]> 2022-08-11 14:03:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259083858 Infants cannot choose for themselves whether or not they should be baptized which is why it becomes the responsibility of the parents... because it's their job... gdinserto https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259103001 Like many have already mentioned, baptism isn't the forcing of infants into a future of Christianity. An infant can be baptized and still grow up in such a way that they do not devote themselves fully to the religion. Baptism doesn't alter brains and doesn't create devout, robotic followers. The child will merely be raised on Christian values, one of which is free will. You can't go after people for being raised on certain values because it is something all religions, all communities, and all families do (religious values or not). I do not find issue with the Christian practice of baptizing infants but I am against parents imposing religion on their children who do not wish to be treated in such a way. There's a difference. ]]> 2022-08-11 14:27:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259103001 Baptism does not force infants into the practice of Christian Beliefs after they are baptized sssalazar1 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259118471 Infants as we know are incapable of providing and surviving on their own for they are not fully aware of the situation they are in. They are also incapable of thinking on their own for a few months of being born. With regards of Infants being baptized, is this forced or just a loving act of a parent for their new born child? As we know infants are baptized after a few weeks or even months of being born, as Christian belief that this will protect them from evil forces that lurk around the world, parents will be a their most protective phase in their lives knowing in Christian belief this may be an act of them just protecting their child. However as years goes by the infant grows up, starts to mature, is beginning to ask questions, explore new things, be able to interact with other people. This are factors that could possibly alter the child's beliefs as a Christian. Only then they are able to choose, decide, and be independent on the things they agree or disagree, what to believe or not. Some parents could be against them converting to another religion however as parents you should know that your child is now capable of thinking and deciding for their own good. Only then it could be forced or wrong for the parents to force their religious beliefs on their child ]]> 2022-08-11 14:47:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259118471 Baptizing infants doesn't hurt them physically or even mentally that will continue to contribute in the long run. It is an initiation/welcoming into the community of Christ such that they are also called children of God by then. cftuazon https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259131866 Baptizing these infants will not hurt anyone in any shape or form. They are included in the househould of faith. They are like being circumsized but in a way that the following reading says from Col. 2:11-12 "In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead"]]> 2022-08-11 15:05:35 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259131866 Baptism, in a way, restricts the person of achieving their full potential. jmpulido3 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259145801 Baptism is where a person goes through a process of cleansing to remove the original sin and receive the grace of God. Usually, in the Catholic belief, the baptism of a person occurs when the person is still an infant. And so, because they are still an infant, the choice of baptism falls on their parents. But the problem arises when we realize that this infant has its own infinite potential within. Why? The problem I often find with baptism is society’s view on it. When an infant is baptized into the Catholic Church and is raised in a household where the Catholic belief is enforced or taught, the person (the grown-up infant) is now covered with a veil of pressure to conform to the beliefs that they were taught when they were growing up. An example scenario of a belief limiting a person’s potential would be when a man, who lives by the Catholic belief, falls in love with a woman whose faith is prohibited to marry a person with a different faith. The man’s belief and faith restrict him to choose the woman he wants to fall in love with. Now, an obvious solution to this problem is, of course, to change faiths. Right? Well yes, but it comes with a social stigma where people of your past faith may judge you and criticize your choice. They may question your decision and may call you selfish for leaving your faith for something that would only benefit you.
 
To conclude, baptism is problematic in a sense that, for one, it limits a person’s freedom to choose whatever they may want because it may go against their faith. Secondly, society’s view on baptism and religion is sort of a toxic family where if you choose and leave that faith, they will shower you with criticism and judgement. The only hope for a person, with a belief, to be free is when they have open-minded people surrounding them who chooses to understand the nature of their beliefs, that is, there is no such thing as right or wrong as these religions or any form of a belief system has some sort of underlying bias within them.  
]]> 2022-08-11 15:23:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259145801 Infants should be baptized so they can be cleansed from the original sin https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259161851 Infants do not know good or bad so it is the job of the parents to help do so.  Being baptized also does not negatively affect the infant it is just like taking a bath but this is mainly for God.]]> 2022-08-11 15:46:01 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259161851 Religion is a choice that is done with a person's full consent. Being born into a religion doesn't make you a believer https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259189283 Joining a religion should be done with a person's full consent. A religion by definition is a PERSONAL set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. A person needs to willingly stand by the beliefs of the religion in order to become an actual follower or believer rather than just being born into it. A person must firmly stand by their religion's principles and teachings. And most of all, they have to put their entire trust and faith in it. Being part of a religion is a commitment not a membership. ]]> 2022-08-11 16:22:47 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259189283 Baptism is merely a water poured jtpatiluna https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259221632 This was said in one of our Religion class in g8, with or without the existence of God, heaven, and the teachings of the Catholic Church, there is no harm into practicing the beliefs that we are currently living up to. This does not mean that anyone who is baptized is more privileged that those who are not, everyone still needs to give and receive the same amount of respect no matter what.]]> 2022-08-11 17:10:49 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259221632 Baptism is done because of a culture or a family belief but the infant being baptized is not forced to practice or believe in the faith when they get older. cvborja https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259273665 Baptism of an infant does not mean that a infant is bound to that religious practice because as the Church says and God a person has free will and be able to decide whatever they want to do in life. The Church does not force any practices to that person but that person is the one to put in the effort to do this practices and love the faith. Also the Church is always welcoming to the people who were baptized but never believed or practiced in the faith ]]> 2022-08-11 18:25:36 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259273665 Religion is a choice. A baby can't decide for themselves to be baptized. smabiera https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259377846 In my opinion, when parents decide for their children to be baptized, the baby is not given a say in his or her own beliefs. They are simply put into their religion without their own personal decision.]]> 2022-08-11 21:49:33 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259377846 The Christian practice of Baptism should be administered to people who have full knowledge of what reality is like in our world. https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259445455 Religion is like college. In every college, there is a specific type of course or program that can eye an individual, With this in mind, it is necessary for babies to develop certain sensible abilities in order to choose the right religion. Moreover, parents should allow their children to see first the reality of this world. In other words, it is important for the babies to have a clear idea of what they believe is truly right and moral. However, with society advancing and creating more evil, parents should be more cautious about what they want their babies to perceive as good and bad. Nonetheless, Baptism should be a choice given to the baby when they have seen the reality of the world]]> 2022-08-12 00:26:16 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259445455 baptism is not an act that is harmful to the infant https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259518965 baptism is not a way to choose your religion. It just imposes a religion that you choose that you would devote yourself to that kind of teaching it doesn't really harm anyone in the making.]]> 2022-08-12 02:23:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259518965 Everyone should have a say in what they want for themselves rpreyes3 https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259583386 Yes there are certain things that are supposed to be beyond our decision (Gender, Date of Birth, Race, etc.) but I think that we should be able to have a decision with what we believe in. Parents are not meant to live the life for their children. Instead they are there to guide and help them, but this does not mean that they get to make life changing decisions for them.]]> 2022-08-12 04:09:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259583386 The act of Baptism is simply a way for parents to introduce to their infants the religion that they think would guide their child to become a better person as they grow. apbernardino https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259606347 Most, if not all, religions share the universal goal of helping people understand the morals and virtues that would do good for everyone. However, the diversity of every religion led to the difference on how the morals and virtues should be implemented. As such, parents who grew up and lived well influenced by their religion would give their child the religion they have since they know that the religion they have could help their child the same way as they were.]]> 2022-08-12 05:00:55 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259606347 Life after baptism isn't a narrow path. mylallave https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259672987 By the time the infant gains consciousness, they are to late to do anything about it. They are now baptized, but it does not shackle them to a religious life. Life does not  always reciprocate; you can love someone but they wont love you back. There are things we can and cannot control. ]]> 2022-08-12 07:39:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259672987 Baptism is a gift of God. nttumampos https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259695789 Baptism is a requirement for us to be with God which he gives us to be children of him in heaven. It cleanses our original sins and if you grow up na, you can make a choice with the use of the freedom to what is good for your life and not harmful to you as a person because God knows us in every path we take, basta we know ourselves and make sure we don't hurt anyone when we grow up. ]]> 2022-08-12 08:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jaadizon/wirnouzx0cjutfo2/wish/2259695789