Assessment Wrap Up by Sarah Butterfield Kumar https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn In Service 2.22.22 en-us 2022-02-21 14:25:57 UTC 2025-09-27 06:26:37 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f913.png Retakes give students who may have had an "off day" or who faced a difficult situation to have another chance. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061182371 2022-02-22 18:44:32 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061182371 They can give students an opportunity to self-evaluate and improve, but care must be taken that they aren't just memorizing a test. The retake shouldn't be the same test, how to do this without increasing teachers already high workload is important. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061183839 2022-02-22 18:45:22 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061183839 (re)takes are important to the learning process. The ability to prove learning becomes absolutely essential to proving student learning. Accommodating the retakes could be done through assigning a progress (satisfactory, unsatisfactory) grade until materials are completed and assigned a numerical grade. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184010 2022-02-22 18:45:28 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184010 Yes. It comes down to the purpose of assessments. If it is to assess how much students learn, we are failing them by not allowing them to learn from their mistakes, and to simply move on to the next topic, that may even build on the last topic. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184061 2022-02-22 18:45:30 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184061 hday22 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184093 Yes, I think retakes are important; Students need to demonstrate understanding before moving on (especially on more cumulative topics)]]> 2022-02-22 18:45:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184093 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184176 Retakes allow students to work on mastering content and specific skill sets. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:45:34 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184176 Retakes give students a chance to review past performance, understand true mistakes and actually complete a skill with success. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184610 2022-02-22 18:45:50 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184610 The problem is that grading and learning do not work together in our current society and learning culture. Retakes can show authentic learning, but they do not fit into our grade structures, or our implied grading schedules (Teachers are required to submit grades at the end of grading periods, which means that at some point there is no longer any further time to keep learning) https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184717 2022-02-22 18:45:54 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184717 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184817 Retakes help students learn what they had not learned the first time around and demonstrate their newly learned knowledge]]> 2022-02-22 18:45:58 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061184817 Retakes in some instances mdoyle48 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185227 Retakes are appropriate in some cases where students will be incapable of recovering from low grade. Other cases it may disincentivize studying or preparedness for the first assessment. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:46:12 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185227 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185510 It allows opportunity for the student to rethink if they did not comprehend the course content. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:46:23 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185510 Retakes allow a student to demonstrate learning and understanding of material https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185588 2022-02-22 18:46:25 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185588 Retakes are important because students should learn for life, not just to pass a test. Extra time with material enables further retention. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185744 2022-02-22 18:46:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061185744 We need to create a school wide policy that allows for flexibility within department procedures - additionally, there should be a teacher assigned a duty of test make up to allow students a space and controlled environment to retake assessments. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186011 2022-02-22 18:46:40 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186011 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186456 I have found that retakes can be useful as long as the policy does not allow for the student to retake every exam. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:46:51 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186456 Retakes give students who need a little more time the opportunity to show what they know. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186565 2022-02-22 18:46:54 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186565 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186610 Yes, retakes have a place in the classroom. i.e. when students are having an off day. but I also like test corrections because it highlights the questions students got wrong and forces them to fix the mistake

]]> 2022-02-22 18:46:56 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186610 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186611 Collaborating to learn/determine what is best for our students and maintaining an OC standard would be helpful.]]> 2022-02-22 18:46:56 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186611 One thing I do in my classes is offer test corrections instead of retakes, in which students must write an explanation of why their new answer is better than their old (incorrect) answer, in order for them to demonstrate that they understand and aren't just taking another guess. This is offered on schoology and students must complete it on their own time / they don't get class time for this. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186651 2022-02-22 18:46:57 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186651 For a subject that is cumulative in nature, retakes are necessary and important because a student needs to establish base knowledge in a topic before she can adequately grasp the next topic. I see merit in not having retakes in a subject that does not have a cumulative nature. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186719 2022-02-22 18:46:59 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186719 I feel that retakes are incredibly important. If a student does not or has not mastered a topic, it is hard for them to move on in the curriculum. In addition, we should be in the interest of measuring and recording student successes, not failures. Giving them new opportunities promotes learning and growth, and shows them that success is possible- it shouldn't always be restricted to a small snapshot moment. The overall growth is more important. apazzaglia https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186825 2022-02-22 18:47:01 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061186825 Reassessments https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187034 Reassessments can be useful to if the process is in place to have student actually reflect on what content they need to review.  For example my test corrections procedure has them reflect on WHY they missed an item so they can examine their testing pitfalls.

]]> 2022-02-22 18:47:07 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187034 As a study hall proctor, I can make my classroom as available as possible to allow teachers to send students down for make-ups. nsantucci2 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187152 2022-02-22 18:47:09 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187152 tdoerfler https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187595 I think re-takes or extensions on projects can help students who have extenuating circumstances. I think that teachers who know their students can accommodate their individual needs. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:47:21 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187595 I have utilized "test corrections" rather than actual test retakes. I have found that this process saves the time of having to create a whole new test, and find time to proctor the test. However, it requires students to go back and learn the information they missed the first time. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187596 2022-02-22 18:47:21 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187596 I see that giving a zero can really just act as a way to let the student and teacher "off the hook" and not have to reteach or relearn information. It can be the "easy way out" according to what I read today. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187643 2022-02-22 18:47:23 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187643 There is measurable data that shows it is possible to inflate student grades without actually increasing achievement/mastery. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187644 2022-02-22 18:47:23 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187644 Retakes give a student an opportunity to learn or relearn certain content/concepts or perhaps to approach studying for that retake using different strategies/skills. There is hope in place for the students to do better. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187667 2022-02-22 18:47:24 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187667 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187734 Retakes are important in ensuring that students know the material that they need to know. If they didn't know it the first time around, they need to know it for the retake.]]> 2022-02-22 18:47:26 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187734 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187807 Retakes are important in helping students to understand and value the learning process. Not all students learn at the same pace. Also, students have "off" days and things going on in their personal lives that can affect their performance.]]> 2022-02-22 18:47:29 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061187807 We can have test-make up CCWs. We can also make shorter assessments so they can be re-taken in an easier time frame (after school before the buses clear out for teachers to leave). https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188425 2022-02-22 18:47:49 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188425 Retakes https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188528 I wouldn't say that retakes are necessary to the learning process, but I do think that self-assessments can be extremely helpful. If a teacher has a test/exam for the end of a unit, consider partnering that grade with a self-assessment from the student (could be in the form of a survey) which might provide more insight into the student's success. I've seen this in other classrooms before and would definitely consider it for my own summative work.]]> 2022-02-22 18:47:53 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188528 hday22 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188788 A) set deadlines (give teacher enough time to make a retake, and student enough time to study for it, and review with the teacher, but not too long a time to prevent the student from moving further along on the topics B) Provide teacher monitored test make up (rather than double booking in a study hall, to provide equitable testing scenario]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:01 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188788 Creating a department wide policy could help me feel better about what the best way to approach the retake "question" https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188820 2022-02-22 18:48:03 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188820 We can work together to help each other provide time for retakes. The process that we had in the past with a teacher in the writing center during every period was extremely effecting in helping ensure that all assessments were made up in a timely manner. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188942 2022-02-22 18:48:06 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061188942 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189078 Ask for help and offer help in areas of challenge. Seek professional development.]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:10 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189078 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189109 Retakes are important in the sense of an entire unit of study. Having them as a set standard will encourage a culture of laziness/lack of motivation]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:11 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189109 BE CAREFUL before assigning zeros to make sure that you are actually missing students' assignments. nsantucci2 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189249 2022-02-22 18:48:16 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189249 I was on the "No Zero Team" but I did not see any convincing research that proved that giving zeros is never a good idea. We tried this in Q4 2020 and it was an abject failure in the sense that it did not improve student learning. Instead, it encouraged many students to stop coming to class and learning. What I did learn was the importance of reinforcing the meaning of a 0 given when a student has missing work and making sure they understand what you are communicating https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189315 2022-02-22 18:48:19 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189315 0 are misinterpreted by students - even within the structured setting of a grade scale, a zero could represent a number of different situations (missing work, incomplete work, failed work, etc.) https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189337 2022-02-22 18:48:20 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189337 mdoyle48 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189401 Creating departmental recommendations for retakes. Working on legitimate language for retake policies in our syllabi that can account for these different scenarios/cases . ]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:21 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189401 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189423 Zeros can be a reminder for students to submit work and can be useful as long as they have recourse to improve the grade. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:22 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189423 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189451 Often grades can be calculated in ways which no not truly measure mastered content or skills. It is important to determine what portion of a grade, if any, should include accountability, completion, effort, etc.]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:23 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189451 Retakes can be a good way for students to go over material they did not completely understood. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189514 2022-02-22 18:48:25 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189514 Retaking tests is not a methodology I use. It's a question of equity regarding the students who did well on the first attempt. ddefilippo3 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189520 2022-02-22 18:48:26 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189520 jjeffries3 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189528 Retakes can give the students a chance to prove their mastery of a skill or subject, even if they did not perform well on an initial test. It gives the teacher important feedback that the student has actually learned course material, and offers the chance for one-on-one tutoring if necessary. Grading processes can accommodate retakes with a consistent policy (e.g. anyone who scores lower than 70% has a week to retake).]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:26 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189528 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189709 Each student should have at least one study hall in their schedule. My biggest logistical challenge is with students with no study hall.]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:29 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061189709 Department consistency around test corrections/makeups. Perhaps processes are different depending on the dept. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061190262 2022-02-22 18:48:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061190262 tdoerfler https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061190285 I wonder whether we could build some time into our schedules in future years, with chances for students to work one-on-one with teachers or to make up tests. (I know this has always been a challenge!)]]> 2022-02-22 18:48:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061190285 Providing the opportunity for retakes allows the students to understand that initial failures are not the end-all. They can regroup, study more, and complete the learning that they need. This can help improve their mastery of the content as well as their resiliency in the face of failure. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061190421 2022-02-22 18:48:51 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061190421 It forced me to evaluate the purpose of grades and whether assigning 0's helps to achieve that goal or to move us further away from it. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191003 2022-02-22 18:49:11 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191003 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191093 Creating a department-wide policy can help students understand what is expected of them in that subject area from year to year. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:49:15 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191093 We need to continue having conversations to determine: 1) what is the real purpose of grades at OC and 2) are our grading policies preparing students for life/education after HS https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191206 2022-02-22 18:49:18 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191206 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191233 I think that some embedded retake options for certain assignments is very helpful to the learning process. I remember one time in particular that my college professor told the class that one of our papers was due on ___ day, but when it came to that day, he said "just kidding!" you get to revise for one more day! He then spent the class working through each student's paper with them, showing the student how he reads their papers. That was so eye-opening to me and really helped me to learn ways I could practically improve my writing. Since then, for certain writing assignments, I have given a variety of different revision options, from which I have seen great growth in students. This is not practical to implement for every paper, but for a few mid-year papers, I think this can be a great tool for learning.]]> 2022-02-22 18:49:19 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191233 In order to allow for retakes, teachers must make sure that either they are working with the student, or the student is receiving adequate help outside of the classroom. A retake will not be beneficial as just a retake- in other words, the students must work on the missed materials in order to then master it the next time they take a test. Without the help of the teacher or otherwise, this can be really challenging. apazzaglia https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191259 2022-02-22 18:49:20 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191259 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191590 We could implement a policy of a different summative assessment if that particular student could not perform on the original. For instance, a verbal exam instead of an online or written one due to injury or disability.]]> 2022-02-22 18:49:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191590 if we redefine the floor of our grading system to make it more mathematically accurate (50 is the new Zero) we can ensure that failure is not worth more than success https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191648 2022-02-22 18:49:33 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191648 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191764 Logistically, it would be helpful to determine the process for retakes/corrections for the whole school or department-by-department. Also, there needs to be a set deadline for these assignments, as well as a predictable, consistent process for students to follow.]]> 2022-02-22 18:49:36 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191764 0s are incredibly important in preparing students for everyday life in terms of meeting deadlines and holding students accountable. To the counter point that allowing 0s lowers morale, sometimes as humans we need to sit in our emotions in order to overcome them. Therefore, 0s are great to help students prepare for the real world. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191890 2022-02-22 18:49:40 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191890 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191994 Any no-zero grading policy needs to have a robust make-up structure in place to avoid students learning to subvert the system. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:49:44 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061191994 Retakes are important to give students an opportunity to recover if they had an off day or a problem at home. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192300 2022-02-22 18:49:57 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192300 Zeros can negatively impact students emotionally. On the flip side, a no-zero policy does not prepare them for the future (including college and the real world). https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192409 2022-02-22 18:50:00 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192409 tdoerfler https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192461 One person in my group made the very good point that a 0 at Oakland Catholic usually is not a final grade. Maybe the culture is different at other schools, but for most of us, a 0 is a reminder about missing work that we will allow students to complete. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:01 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192461 hday22 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192523 From the debate- there is no clear answer. Zeroes obviously aren't useful for measuring student understanding. However, (at least anecdotally from teachers at OC) they do seem to motivate many students (particularly at a grade-focused school to turn in work. Simply marking work as "missing" without an impact on their grade, does not seem to have that effect.]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:03 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192523 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192573 Giving a zero can deflate a grade more dramatically]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192573 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192575 Know your reason and explain your reason to your students so that they understand if it is a mere placeholder or if it defines the work they have shown. Research is good for the soul. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192575 mdoyle48 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192656 Available research seems to more heavily favor no-zero policies, I'd like to spend some time reading these studies more closely, because it seems as though most of our own anecdotal evidence overwhelming supports using zeros is more effective. ]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:08 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192656 We should have basic guidelines that students / departments can follow that help set expectations. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192673 2022-02-22 18:50:08 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192673 I am fine with allowing retakes. Students are fighting many battles dealing with MANY stressors outside of school. All of that plays a part in how well he or she does on an exam. Students who are academically strong may do poorly on a test because the night before his or her parents announced they are getting divorced. I think that retakes should be allowed, especially now because of the increased level of mental illness resulting from the pandemic. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192692 2022-02-22 18:50:09 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192692 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192756 0 can be discouraging to students but can also be the push in the grade book they need to realize they have work they need to submit.]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:11 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061192756 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061193647 The retake can be formulated in a way that can be done without being moderated. For example, students could correct their mistakes at home, on their own time, seeking the assistance of the teacher as needed.]]> 2022-02-22 18:50:36 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061193647 I am still pretty undecided on this concept, but I do feel that in the current culture and climate, giving 0's is the only way we can get student buy-in for completion of work. I do think that I could do a better job of evaluating what that 0 means and the purpose of the work that I am assigning in general. apazzaglia https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061193887 2022-02-22 18:50:44 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061193887 This is an uphill battle. I do not know how to do this without making the last couple days of a grading period a living hell for the teachers. If we offer unlimited retakes (evidence suggests offering limited retakes is not any better than offering no retakes), many students will procrastinate until the last second and wait to do the retakes until the end of the period and push a large amount of work onto the teacher at the last second. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194005 2022-02-22 18:50:48 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194005 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194614 My biggest concern with "retakes" in the English classroom is the time it would take to re-grade papers. But I think it would be feasible to have a few mid-year papers in which I offer some sort of revision assignment.]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:08 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194614 It's important to always keep an open mind regarding assessment. But a lot has to do with the chemistry of a particular class and assessing what motivates them ddefilippo3 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194707 2022-02-22 18:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194707 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194947 I genuinely believe that giving zeros is important for fostering any type of accountability and understanding the severity of consequences in the real world. Despite the circumstances of some, a majority of the world cannot fall back on generational wealth in order to make ends meet. If you cannot meet deadlines or pay bills or be at work on time, you get fired, evicted, etc.]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:20 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061194947 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195075 We need to consider the purpose of 0s and the assignments we are giving them for. Do students understand what they mean? Are the assignments beneficial to their learning or are they just busy work? Can the students how mastery in another way (are they getting good grades on their tests but not turning in any assignments?)?]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:24 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195075 a no zero policy can push students to the next level who have not mastered the content https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195270 2022-02-22 18:51:32 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195270 There are legitimate reasons on both side of the argument. I think teachers need the freedom to evaluate on a case by case basis. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195271 2022-02-22 18:51:32 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195271 I think test corrections would work better than retakes? I currently do neither though, I'd need to read more of the research https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195496 2022-02-22 18:51:39 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195496 jjeffries3 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195577 I appreciate those of you who have suggested department policies--I think this can be helpful. It can be difficult to find the time to offer students another assignment/test/etc. I wonder whether there could/should even be a policy for midterm or final exams. The extra make-up day this past semester could have offered an opportunity to bring back a few students who did not perform well on their exams.]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:41 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195577 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195887 Zeros play an important role, but they should not be an immovable force used as punishment, but rather as motivation for hard work.]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:52 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195887 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195948 I was surprised that some of the studies actually indicated that no-zero policies can lead to learned helplessness. This seemed counter-intuitive.]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:54 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061195948 in service questions https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061196018 1. I can see why they are useful, but given the way that I have structured my classes, I think they are unnecessary.
2.I think that as a group, we are basically on the same page as to how much support and understanding we give our students.   I think it is imperative that as teachers, we find ways to connect with our students.  That, I believe, is the key to reaching our students academically.
3.That giving a 0 grade without allowing for ways that a student can earn a higher grade is counterproductive.]]> 2022-02-22 18:51:57 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061196018 One key idea was the effect that a 0 might have on a student's sense of self-worth ddefilippo3 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061196084 2022-02-22 18:51:59 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061196084 Zeros serve as a wake up call to the student. If it is a zero on a test, student did not learn the content and needs to revisit and prepare better using teacher recommended strategies and skills. Zeros also serve as a reminder that the student is not (perhaps) being responsible and accountable for the missing work. It also serves as a red flag to a teacher and a parent that the student needs extra assistance. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061196552 2022-02-22 18:52:15 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061196552 We can use one of the CCW session for retakes or support study for students who need it. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061197934 2022-02-22 18:53:05 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061197934 Working together to determine what works best for our students, Test corrections or retake test. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061198364 2022-02-22 18:53:18 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061198364 I feel I still need more professional development on options. I think it is also important to hear parent expectations for learning - why are they sending their daughters here/what do they expect? https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061198760 2022-02-22 18:53:32 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061198760 jjeffries3 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061199717 I see the benefits and drawbacks on both sides--zeroes come with a lot of emotional weight, which may discourage students, but they also offer students real-world feedback which may match the kind of consequences they would face in college or a career setting. I think I agreed most with the people who suggested that we need some kind of symbol that notifies students of missing work, reflected in their grade somehow, so students take missing work seriously.]]> 2022-02-22 18:54:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061199717 Faculty needs to have professional development to help us address the challenges we face. Collaboration is another effective way to exchange ideas and we need more time to collaborate. https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061199956 2022-02-22 18:54:12 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061199956 https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061201318 What I had never thought about before was that by reducing the lowest score to a 60% across the board, what you are doing is reducing the grading scale from a 100 point scale to a 40 point scale. It does seem unfair that there are a whole 70 points that count as failing.]]> 2022-02-22 18:54:57 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061201318 That 0's don't measure the students knowledge of the content you are teaching but can get the student to turn in their work https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061209288 2022-02-22 18:59:09 UTC https://padlet.com/sbutterfieldkumar/w4tw0uvk5ohyxltn/wish/2061209288