Lord of the Flies Discussion #2, Round 2 by Rebecca Tussey https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2 Second outer circle discussion for both rooms en-us 2018-03-27 18:17:26 UTC 2018-03-29 19:00:58 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Prizecup.png “‘--and then, the beast might try to come in. You remember how he crawled--’ The semicircle shuddered and muttered in agreement” (Page 160). kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247367785 Do the boys really think it was the beast that crawled into the circle, or do they know it was Simon? Are they just calling him the “beast” in order to shield themselves from the truth that they murdered him? 

]]> 2018-03-29 18:39:02 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247367785 How would things be different if this book went on longer than it did (so if the officer did not find them in the moment he did)? bnikain2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368018 2018-03-29 18:39:35 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368018 dslade2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368316 If the boys never got rescued I think that the boys would soon realize that they do not have to be controlled by Jack if they don't want to be. They would realize that there are more boys than there are Jacks. They would defeat him and choose a new leader/chief
 ]]> 2018-03-29 18:40:29 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368316 "Piggy stirred. 'I'll come.' Ralph turned to him. 'You're no good on a job like this.' 'All the same--' 'We don't want you,' said Jack, flatly. 'Three's enough.'" (from Chapter 1) athomas20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368552 As Jack and Ralph deny Piggy the opportunity to join them on their quest, we see their behavior become more instinctive. The two put aside social courtesy by excluding him from the group. Ralph bases his decision on physical ability, saying "You're no good on a job like this," which can be perceived as more of an Ego response, whereas Jack provides no basis for his thinking and simply says "We don't want you," which can be construed as more of a cold, harsh Id response as he completely disregards Piggy's feelings and acts what we might consider somewhat more "savage". This begins the boys' transition "down the iceberg" from Superego to Ego to ultimately Id.]]> 2018-03-29 18:41:15 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368552 During our discussion, we were talking about how what if the boys got back together 20 years later. Do you think that these boys would ever get back to their reality quickly or slowly? Why? kgoodwyn2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368668 2018-03-29 18:41:34 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368668 cbaynton2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368758 So before Golding went to war he had a positive outlook on man and he thought that people were naturally good. But, when he went to war, he saw so much violence and terrible things that his perception was completely changed and he believed that people are evil. I believe that people are naturally good, but it makes me think about how I would react if I went to war.]]> 2018-03-29 18:41:54 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368758 In the round 1 of the oral discussion, someone mentioned the naval officer being represented bbenn2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368804 2018-03-29 18:42:01 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368804 dslade2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368928 How would life on the island be different if Ralph was the main leader?

]]> 2018-03-29 18:42:24 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247368928 msingh2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369013 Why does Jack not care about the signal fire? Does he not want to be rescued? Is he too obsessed with power that he forgot he was stuck on the island?

]]> 2018-03-29 18:42:42 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369013 What does it mean that the naval officers came to get them because they saw smoke? How did this effect Jack’s movements once the naval officers came on land? kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369061 2018-03-29 18:42:53 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369061 In the round 1 vocal discussion, someone mentioned that the naval officer that saved them could be represent bbenn2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369165 2018-03-29 18:43:17 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369165 Jonathan H https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369209 How does ID relate to Piggy's death?]]> 2018-03-29 18:43:27 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369209 In the round 1 vocal discussion, someone mentioned that the naval officer that rescued them could be represented by God coming to take them away and save them from the LORD OF THE FLIES. Do you agree with this? bbenn2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369436 2018-03-29 18:44:18 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369436 Was Ralph only violent because of his own threshold of violence? Personally, I don't think if he was the main leader and Jack was just a regular character there would be much of a storyline. jmcguire2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369552 2018-03-29 18:44:35 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369552 Jonathan Hammond: How does the environment your surrounded by daily change you as a person? When your environment changes do you change with it? https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369729 2018-03-29 18:44:57 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369729 How would the characters been written to act differently if in his childhood his mom had been more like his father being more rational or if his father was more like his mother being more "scared of the world. bnikain2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369799 2018-03-29 18:45:14 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369799 dslade2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369841 How would this book be different if every male was now a female? 

]]> 2018-03-29 18:45:21 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247369841 Dog Shock Experiment athomas20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247370454 I heard in the circle that there are differing beliefs as to whether or not the presence of girls on the island would have improved the situation as a whole. As shown in the dog shock experiment, the women were observed to be more subservient to male authority (the professor who orchestrated the experiment), which could lead to giving even more power to Jack and/or Ralph. However, I do feel like any girls who may have been present would side more closely with Ralph as a leader as he seems to be more compassionate, shown in the first chapter as he tries to console Piggy when Jack simply bashes him. This could have led to a more controlled situation as we have seen Ralph to be a more rational leader than Jack, which I believe may have improved the situation overall.]]> 2018-03-29 18:47:34 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247370454 cbaynton2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247370552 Do you think the evacuation from a nuclear war had any psychological or physical affect on the boys?

]]> 2018-03-29 18:47:55 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247370552 “Piggy fell forty feet and landed on his back across the square red rock in the sea” (Page 181). kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371106 Gender Lens and Carson’s theory about Simon and Piggy being motherly figures. Now all the mothers are dead -- the mother pig, Simon, and Piggy. What does this represent? 

]]> 2018-03-29 18:49:42 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371106 Jonathan H: How did fear give Jack more power than Ralph? https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371172 2018-03-29 18:49:55 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371172 Loss of Identity jmcguire2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371189 Percival, one of the littluns had forgotten his name and his address by the end of the book. How does this compare to the loss of the identity of the prisoners in the Stanford Prison Experiment?

]]> 2018-03-29 18:49:59 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371189 Toxic leaders (as from the article) are often very confident. What if Jack did not have that confidence that attracted so many to him? kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371368 2018-03-29 18:50:30 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371368 How does the historical lens play into the novel? kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371857 We talk a lot about the biographical, psychological, and gender lens, but what about the historical one? ]]> 2018-03-29 18:52:05 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247371857 How does Ralph and Piggy's relationship develop throughout the novel? kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372128 2018-03-29 18:53:02 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372128 How did Jack’s confidence and other’s lack of confidence lead to Jack’s leadership role and other’s peasant roles? tphelps2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372310 2018-03-29 18:53:50 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372310 dslade2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372336 If the people on the island were both male and female do you think that there would be romances on the island? Would there be more drama? Would the men take over and make the women feel incapable, would women fight for their freedom like how some are doing today? vise versa ]]> 2018-03-29 18:53:56 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372336 Carson https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372478 When the boys return home do you think they would receive and legal punsihment for the murders and behaviors on the island?

]]> 2018-03-29 18:54:35 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372478 Do you think that this experience benefited them in a way to learn how to survive on their own? Perhaps do you think that some of them were happy they experienced that. bnikain2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372501 2018-03-29 18:54:43 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372501 How would this novel be different with the title was different? kpeterson20201 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372760 2018-03-29 18:55:46 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372760 Jonathan https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372817 How did Piggy's death end almost all of civilization?]]> 2018-03-29 18:55:59 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372817 Why did Golding want to put a lot of fear within these characters? Would Jack have any fear with all of the evil surrounding him? kgoodwyn2020 https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372909 2018-03-29 18:56:17 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/LOTFD2R2/wish/247372909