https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv Jonas' community has a lot of rules. Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Why? Make sure to use examples to support your opinion. Make sure you respond to classmates post. en-us 2018-01-29 15:54:37 UTC 2018-01-30 06:50:17 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225714365 In my opinion, I believe that it is a good thing that Jonas' community has a lot of rules because it keeps the community organized. If they didn't have those rules, it would be very hectic, much like regular cities. With those rules, however, the community is accustomed to follow the laws of the Utopia community. For example, when you become an Eight, you start volunteering at places, such as the House of Old. In the book, Jonas heard that a Twelve didn't complete his volunteer hours, so he wasn't allowed to attend the ceremony of Twelve. With this rule, you have the opportunity to explore different regions for an Assignment. Also, many rules are there to guide the people of the Utopian society. Since the Elders pick Assignments, you don't have to know what career you want, because the Elders do it for you. But, if you do know what you want, you can show the Elders what you want to do by volunteering in places that you want to be in. ]]> 2018-01-29 16:30:30 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225714365 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225722363 I think that the fact that Jonas' community has a lot of rules is just as good as it is bad. What I mean is that there are pros and cons to the rules in Jonas' community. For example, a time when the rules were a good thing was when ]]> 2018-01-29 16:43:47 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225722363 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225722465 In my opinion I find the abundance of rules to be a very positive thing. One reason why I believe this is because if they have a flourish/surplus of rules it provides a sense of security, or safety, this is shown in chapter one where it elucidates how a pilot in training had accidentally flown above the community and the pilot is to be released]]> 2018-01-29 16:43:55 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225722465 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225723036 In my point of view,  I think it is a good thing that Jonas' community has a lot of rules. To start off,  the Community should keep people on-line, so nobody can cause a dispute. Ever seen a fight? That is what the Community may be trying to avoid. ]]> 2018-01-29 16:44:45 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225723036 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225723227 In my opinion, I believe that the large ammount of rules present in Jonas' community is a positive thing to an extent. A community isn't a good one without the proper laws that are needed. Think about it here in the U.S. there are many rules that us citizens have to abide, however we never really think of them as much. It's the same for Jonas' community they may not think of the many rules they have in their community as much. ]]> 2018-01-29 16:45:08 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225723227 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225724811 In my opinion, I think it is a bad thing to have as much rules as there are in Jonas's community. All though a lot of rules is a good thing to help keep everyone safe, to much rules can limit the activities that some people want to do. Being polite is a law in the community, although it is a bad thing to be disrespectful, it is not worth punishing someone over it. These rules can stop people from doing things that is not a law in our community. This is also a bad thing because a lot of rules mean a lot of rules to follow and if you don't follow these rules, you will be punished. This means the more rules there are, the more chance there is to get in trouble which obviously is a bad thing. This is why I think all the rules in Jonas's community s a bad thing. ]]> 2018-01-29 16:48:08 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225724811 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225725500 2018-01-29 16:49:26 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225725500 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225789717 I politely disagree with you. This s because although that is true, to much rules s a bad thing since some of the rules are a bit ridiculous. For example, it is a rule that you must ave a husband/wife and two kids, this is a rule that makes no sense and there are many rules like this.]]> 2018-01-29 18:37:31 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225789717 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225814256   From my point of view, I think it is a good thing that they have a lot of rules.]]> 2018-01-29 19:20:45 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225814256 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225837879 2018-01-29 20:00:35 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225837879 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225891803 This allows you to not worry about things such as what Assignment you want, because with this rule, the Elders guide your future. As shown, the Utopian society seems like the perfect community, because of the rules that make it perfect. There are no cars, so there isn't much pollution, and people have friends and family units to socialize with. Basically, the rules are what make the society unique, and it seems perfect. To conclude, this is why I believe that the many rules are a good thing. ]]> 2018-01-29 23:13:21 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225891803 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225894005 I agree with you because if you lived in the Utopian society, you grew up with all those rules, so you wouldn't pay much attention to them. I liked how you compared the two societies and gave readers a chance to view from the Utopians' points of views. I'm sure if someone from their Community came to Chula Vista, they would observe how lax our governing system is compared to theirsI also admire how you said that it is "a positive thing to an extent," since some of the rules are a little unneeded. Great job!]]> 2018-01-29 23:28:04 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225894005 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225894134 In my opinion, I'm pretty neutral about this situation of having a lot of rules. One reason, I say this, is because the good thing about having a lot of rules is that, some make sense, and keep people organized. Like the rule in chapter 4, when it states, "it was against the rules for children or adults to look at another's nakedness. This rule here make sense, it's so you don't violate other's privacy. However, the rule stated in chapter 1, "two children-one male, one female-to each family unit," doesn't make sense at all. This rule controls how many kids you should have and what gender each should be. In reality no one cares how many kids you have or what gender they are, but in the book, they really care! To add on, having lots of rules keeps things organized, because if there weren't rules at all, it would be chaos. But, sometimes you can have too much of these rules, and some of them could make you think, "why have this rule at all?" To conclude, these are the reasons why I'm very neutral about this situation.]]> 2018-01-29 23:28:57 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225894134 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225896769 To add on, Jonas' community is peaceful, calm, and happy-go-lucky. Without the set of rules they follow, the Community would become more democratic, which means that they would have the freedom to do some crazy things. It would not be a Utopian society any longer if there weren't a lot of rules. Also, I think it is a good idea because everybody will be well behaved, like dogs at obedience school. You won't have to worry as much about others when you know that everybody follows the rules at a consistent level. To conclude, these are the reasons why I think it is a good idea that Jonas' community has a lot of rules. ]]> 2018-01-29 23:45:54 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225896769 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225896979 In my opinion, I am neutral about having many rules. I believe this because without them, the world would fall into a dark hole of chaos. Just imagine a classroom full of students. If the teacher doesn't do anything to stop bad behavior, everyone will be divided. Also, rules keep us safe from harm. For example, you cannot leave your child alone. This is due to their safety. If a stranger walks by and causes harm, it's probable that no one will be there to stop them before anyone is hurt. Although in Jonas' community, it seems as if there are over billions of rules. If I were living there since birth, I would have no concern of the laws that are passed. It would be natural to just deal with them rather than to start a controversy. In the book, Asher, a boy who was living in an Utopian society since birth, recites the proper statement when he was late for school. He stated, "I apologize for inconveniencing my learning community." This shows that it's common for people to live this way. Having many rules/laws may seem unnecessary, but they also keep us on track ]]> 2018-01-29 23:47:39 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225896979 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225898412 In my point of view, I believe that, in Jonas' society, it is a good thing to have a lot of rules. First of all, since Jonas lives in a Utopian society, their society is based off a vast amount of laws. Without the vast amount of laws their Utopian society, it would not be considered a Utopian society. These laws are what keep the Utopian society intact, as without them, as said, will allow more freedom, and thus not make it a Utopian society. Also, with the laws it ensures safety in their society so people in that society know what is right and what is wrong to do. With a lot of rules it keeps things organized and safe. Although, it can become a problem when you have too many, as even when the Elders aren't watching, you still have to make no mistake. As you can see, in my opinion, it is a good thing to have many rules in Jonas' society, although too many rules will and an become a problem. ]]> 2018-01-29 23:58:21 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225898412 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225899898 I agree with you, as for me I also believe that having a vast amount of rules has its pros and cons. For instance, a vast amount of rules is good to keep things organized, but also makes your society anxious about making a single mistake. Although the rules seem to be weird in the book, remember that they do live in a different society that we do, and that they have their differences. You also did a great job describing certain rules and making a good point to your arguement.]]> 2018-01-30 00:10:36 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225899898 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225900034 I agree with you. Not all of us think that we have so many rules, but we still follow them in our daily lives. I would like to add on that so far, people in Jonas' community are following the rules, and that nothing is going wrong. I believe that is a good thing! Overall, I agree with your thought. ]]> 2018-01-30 00:11:55 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225900034 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225900202 I agree with you #16. Although I am still neutral to this situation, you bring up a valid point as to why having a lot of rules is a good thing. In addition, you say "a community isn't a good one without proper laws," and I agree with this statement, because it is very true. If you didn't have proper laws in a community, who would want to live there? However if you do have proper laws, then it would be a good community. In conclusion, these are the reasons why I agree with #16. ]]> 2018-01-30 00:13:28 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225900202 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225900883 I agree with this statement because rules can shape your mannerism in a good way. I would like to add on that you get used to the laws as time passes. This way, you wouldn't worry as much when you encounter a situation involving strict laws.]]> 2018-01-30 00:19:27 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225900883 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225901504 In my opinion I find the abundance of rules to be a very positive thing. One reason why I believe this is because if they have a flourish of rules it provides a sense of security, or safety, this is shown in chapter one where it elucidates how a pilot in training had accidentally flown above the community and the pilot is to be released, this event caused Jonas to be frightened. This shows how even the smallest of events, such as a plane flying overhead caused fear to Jonas' community, however in my society this event wouldn't cause most of us to even spare a glance. This goes to show that in Jonas' community these type of errors are extremely rare and can cause fear, while in mine no one really cares, this is due to the rules, and without the rules in Jonas' community, we can infer that error would be more frequent. Another reason why I believe this is because in chapter one it explains how it is against the rules to not share your feelings after the evening meal and Jonas showed high respect in this rule. This proves that most people in Jonas' society took even the smallest of rules seriously. So just imagine how they might feel towards the big rules. Since they respect these rules, they are more likely to obey them, which keeps them in line and safe. So, in my opinion surpluses of rules are a good thing.]]> 2018-01-30 00:24:38 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225901504 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225901867 I agree with this statement because there are many pros and cons about having numerous laws. They can keep us on task or limit the amount of freedom that we could've had.]]> 2018-01-30 00:27:44 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225901867 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904381 (Previously)
In my opinion, I believe that the large ammount of rules present in Jonas' community is a positive thing to an extent. A community isn't a good one without the proper laws that are needed. Think about it here in the U.S. there are many rules that us U.S. citizens have to abide, however we never really think of them as much. It's the same for Jonas' community they may not think of the many rules they have in their community as much. (Continuation) A piece of evidence to support this is in page 36, paragraph one, it stated, that a Twelve had an announcement that he didn't complete the required number of volunteering hours and that he wouldn't get his Assignment. Yes I understand that you have to do your part to receive your Assignment, so this rule is completely understandable. However, having too many rules is basically chaining up all of the citizens. An example of completely ridiculous rules is in pages 28 and 29, where it states, "A REMINDER TO FEMALES UNDER NINE THAT HAIR RIBBONS ARE TO BE NEATLY TIED AT ALL TIMES...ATTENTION. THIS IS A REMINDER TO MALE ELEVENS THAT OBJECTS ARE NOT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RECREATION AREA AND THAT SNACKS ARE TO BE EATEN, NOT HOARDED..." The two announcements made have two OUTRAGEOUS rules in the sentence. First of all, having females under nine always having their hair tied in ribbons at all times is just pretty absurd. Secondly, not being able to take a snack (apple) from the recreation center is just harsh because just why? Conclusively, this is why I believe having an abundance of rules is a positive thing to an extent.]]> 2018-01-30 00:45:58 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904381 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904495 I believe that having a lot of rules is good thing. In this case, it keeps everybody in order and allows for government control. Some of these rules are crossing the line. For example, there are rules for different age groups (when you turn nine you get a bike). These rules allow for equality between everyone in the community. They're also rules that protect the privacy of others. In chapter 4, Jonas said that there was a rule against looking at other people nakedness. This rule protects peoples privacy, which is a good thing. Maybe having all these rules is a good thing.]]> 2018-01-30 00:47:02 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904495 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904671  From my point of view, I think it is a good thing that they have a lot of rules. Sure a lot of rules can be bad, but it also keeps things more organized. We also have a lot of rules its just that we never really think about them because we don't really know much about them. We have a lot of rules its just that we call them laws. We have a bunch of laws. Some are more important than others. All of these laws make our society more organized. This is why in the Utopian society there isn't really any chaos. All these rules keep things organized. Also, they are being watched, so if somebody does a crime the Elders or the other people watching can see  what they are doing. In conclusion, all of these rules are made to keep things so organized. So that there wouldn't be any chaos. ]]> 2018-01-30 00:48:10 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904671 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904821 I entirely agree with #13 because with out all the rules it wouldn't allow equality for all and would cause freedom, which would contradict against Utopian society. I would also like to add on that the rules also keeps the people in the society safe and in line. This is shown in chapter two where it elucidates how at the ceremony of nine the children get their bicycle, since they are now old enough and responsible enough to not harm themselves riding the bike. This proves that the rules can keep them safe.]]> 2018-01-30 00:49:10 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225904821 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225908764 I agree with you, Jonas' community seems to be perfect with the rules they have in place. For example, they don't suffer dealing with modern day problems we have now. Also, you brought up a good point when you said, "There are no cars, so there isn't much pollution, and people have friends and family units to socialize with." You brought up some everyday problems many deal with like pollution, and loneliness. You also had a great writing structure with your response! Keep up with the good work! Good Job!]]> 2018-01-30 01:15:17 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225908764 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225910779 I believe it's both a good and bad thing to have a lot of rules in Jonas' community, since it's a way to keep communities organized and structured. In reality, we use rules (laws) to structure ourselves, to make it clear to everyone what not to do. Although, in Jonas' community, they have a lot of rules which can be ok, as in their community is very structured, but when it gets too "stupid", then there's a bad thing. If the rules are wash your hands for only 20 seconds to conserve water, then I would say, thats too much. I would say that to be a reminder, not a rule. If the rule is for little things, then it's best to take it out, although if it's for very serious things, such as stealing, then the community should keep it. As you can see, I believe it is both a good thing and a bad thing to have a lot of rules.]]> 2018-01-30 01:29:07 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225910779 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225913645 I agree with you because the rules given out in Jonas' community, help equality thrive in their community. I believe in communities their should be equality, although, sometimes like you said it can get out of hand. The fact that you need to get rid of your comfort blanket, toys at the age of eight, is too strict, what if they aren't ready to do so. ]]> 2018-01-30 01:50:18 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225913645 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225918698       I agree with you all the way till Sunday. (Don't ask what that was) If they didn't have these laws then the society wouldn't be a utopian society. It would just be a normal society. It would also ,like you said, make things more safe. I'm a utopian society crimes don't really happen. This is because of the many rules they have. If they didn't have these rules things would go into chaos, thus it wouldn't be a utopian society.]]> 2018-01-30 02:24:49 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225918698 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225919025 I agree with you that rules keep everything in order. You do make a very valid point that if you grew up in this society it wouln'd be so bad. This is because we live in a democratic society and we're used to having the amendments that allow us the right of freedom of speech, abolish slavery and grant us permission to live freely. If you were to give us a lot more rules we would all thing that it is a bad thing. ]]> 2018-01-30 02:27:11 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225919025 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225920198 I politely disagree with the statement you made to #27. I believe that they must have a family unit with a husband, a wife, one boy child, and one boy child to control the population. To add, each family has to be even because this is a Utopian society , so one family can't have 10 boys and 10 girls while another has 1 girl and 0 boys etc. ]]> 2018-01-30 02:38:00 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225920198 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225932718  Jonas' community has a lot of rules and in my opinion I think it is both a good and bad thing. For example, it is good because it keeps the community structured and safe. It seems like they don't have to worry about safety and chaos happening. Everything is always sorted out ahead of time and there is no need to worry about the unexpected because it doesn't happen.
 In contrast, I also think it is a bad thing because people don't have personal freedoms to choose their futures. Instead, their futures are assigned to them. According to the text, Jonas and his friends volunteered in many different places such as Senior homes, food distribution, nurturing center, recreation, rehabilitation centers, and many more. There they are watched and will eventually be ordered their future. They may or may not have a family unit such as "Edna" in chapter 4. I felt sorry for her as she wasn't assigned as great of a life as "Roberto" who was also mentioned. As you can see, there are many positive and negative things about the rules in Jonas' community.]]> 2018-01-30 04:06:50 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225932718 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225935970 I agree with you that rules can be both a good and bad thing in Jonas' community. I do think its a great way to keep the community organized and structured. Some of the rules do seem silly though.]]> 2018-01-30 04:27:41 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225935970 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225939723 In honesty, I think having a lot of reals is a good thing. As we know, rules help us, "Get in Line" or help keep control of your place. Having a lot of rules are good, but the question is if the rules are stupid or not. For example, "Every time you are late to class, you need to , make an apology." this is a stupid rule because some of us are late very "frequently." If you needed to apologize every time your late, it would be a waste of time for the rest of the class. Rules like, "No, stealing" is a good rule because it helps the community become a safer place. The rules that are in Jonas' community are both stupid and necessary. Like I mentioned they have the apologizing rule. But they also have rules to help people be well disciplined. Many people might think having a lot of rules is to much of a bad thing, but in all honesty, I think more rules are better than no rules. This is because this helps us become a better, "Community." As you can see these are my reasons and evidence of why I think that having a bunch of real, (yes, even stupid ones) are a good thing because it would benefit the place.]]> 2018-01-30 04:59:37 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225939723 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225941302 I fully agree on what #20 said. I started to read more of her writing when I read her first sentence. which was, " From my point of view, I think it is a good thing that they have a lot of rules. Sure a lot of rules can be bad, but it also keeps things more organized. " this is technically what my writing was all about. I was about me explaining why I thought having a lot of rule was a good thing. #20 writing had the same point but used different words ]]> 2018-01-30 05:14:13 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225941302 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225941450 I think that the fact that Jonas's community has an abundance of rules is just as good as it is bad. What I mean by this is that there are pros and cons to all these rules. First of all, one way the rules and laws are a positive thing is that people are not allowed to, or rather encouraged not to, point out somebody's differences. This is a good thing because it keeps people from feeling insecure about how they look, and even if it isn't a rule, most people follow it. On the other hand, the laws in Jonas' community are also a bad thing in the sense that some of them are just plain ridiculous! For example, why does you comfort object have to be taken away when you become an Eight? Who even decides that!? Also, the rule that kids basically can't ride or get a bicycle until they are 9 is very odd. Additionally, probably the most unnecessary and frankly ridiculous rule is that you can only have 2 children, 1 male and 1 female. Why would the Elders try to control the number of children you have? To control the population? As you can see, I believe that depending on the rule, it can be either good or bad.]]> 2018-01-30 05:15:59 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225941450 https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225948853 I agree with you that there should be rules, to an extent. The example you made about a classroom full of students describes the need for rules in Jonas' community ( as well as in the real world ). However, you are right; whoever made the rules in Jonas' community went WAY overboard, because it seems like there are so many rules , some people don't even remember half of them.]]> 2018-01-30 06:37:14 UTC https://padlet.com/garrard_galvan/w0j8wkkgnlfv/wish/225948853