Week 13: ‘The Politics of Producing Pleasure’: The Anti/Pro-Porn Discourses in Feminist Debates by nube del mar

Week 13: ‘The Politics of Producing Pleasure’: The Anti/Pro-Porn Discourses in Feminist Debates by nube del mar https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf Instructions: After reading the quote and the questions, please feel free to add directly underneath the column titled "Quote 1, 2, or 3" or under "Question for Thought" with your thoughts and ideas! en-us 2021-04-13 03:53:14 UTC 2021-04-15 18:46:57 UTC hello@padlet.com Quote 1: nube24 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418260839 “The question still remains: when will black women demand

that their desires be recognized in adult entertainment?

As black women have different visual pleasures,

it’s going to take more than one visionary to

step up to the plate.” (3)

]]> 2021-04-14 19:41:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418260839 Quote 2: nube24 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418270250 “Rubin maps this system as one where ‘the charmed

circle’ is perpetually threatened by the ‘outer limits’ or those who fall out of the bounds of the acceptable. On the bottom of this hierarchy are sexual acts

and identities outside heterosexuality, marriage, monogamy, and reproduction. She argues that this hierarchy exists so as to justify the privileging of normative and constricted

sexualities and the denigration and punishment of the ‘sexual rabble.’” pg. 14

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Why is there an expectation for black women to demand that their desires be recognized? Why is the liberation of pornography falling on the shoulders of black women?

How does this relate to “black anality”?

]]> 2021-04-14 19:45:41 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418275479 Quote 3: nube24 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418287536 “My investment in the term ecstasy also contains a utopian wish for black feminist theory. Drawing on José Muñoz's conception of ecstasy as “an invitation, a call, to a then-and-there, a not-yet-here...a collective potentiality,” (11)]]> 2021-04-14 19:49:00 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418287536 nube24 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418350883

How does this hierarchical structure of sexual acts and identities relate to Black pornography, specifically when Black women are the subject of porn? Is this hierarchical structure challenged when Black women’s pleasure/desire are centered in pornography?

Considering the language being utilized in this quote, how does this attempt to umbrella all sexual acts and identites as similar to each other perpetually harm discussions about Black pornography and Black experience in pornography?

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Using Cathy Cohen’s idea of the “radical potential of queerness,” what radical potential or “utopic” idea is presented by Nash in order to subjugate previous definitions of “ecstasy?” In other words, do you find there to be a radicalness in pornography when Black women’s desires and pleasures are centered?

Using Morgan’s language of “fucking with the grays,” how does feminist pornography attempt to tap into different purposes of pornography, specifically racialized pornography?

]]> 2021-04-14 20:07:54 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1418352703 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422594024 I think the liberation of pornography falls on the shoulders of black women because they have two identities that have always been oppressed; being black and being a woman. People think that if black woman are liberated, all people are liberated. That is not to say that it wouldn't be true, but saying that people use black women as mules for their own liberation.]]> 2021-04-15 18:33:51 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422594024 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422594564 it seems like black women are often seen as symbols or their actions have to have a deeper meaning other than just their pleasure and joy. It reminds me of the dichotomy of good versus bad representation and how black women have to be one or the other.]]> 2021-04-15 18:33:58 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422594564 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422595313 this reminds me of how black people are expected to educate and be patient with nonblack people. part of taking power is depending on your allies to speak on your behalf when youre too busy to. ]]> 2021-04-15 18:34:06 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422595313 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422605929 I think there's also a distinction worth drawing here about where specifically this quote is asking black women to "step up". I think it's important for black women to be creators in the creation of entertainment for black women audiences. However, like what we talked about with the musicians, it's worth asking who decides which films are produced / distributed and how are black women meant to get into those positions (there's a distinction between producer/director and executive who hires them)]]> 2021-04-15 18:36:23 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422605929 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422606680 It goes to show that Black woman are seen as entertainment so when they themselves seek to fulfill their desire it is put on their shoulders.]]> 2021-04-15 18:36:33 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422606680 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422618705 i think it can challenge the hierarchy when black women take the conversations to themselves because they can represent their own community's desires but it can also lead to feeding into stereotypes in the name of views

]]> 2021-04-15 18:38:36 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422618705 fredief1261 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422630866 The system is rooted to have black women at the bottom. Black women and their desire are ]]> 2021-04-15 18:41:21 UTC https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422630866 https://padlet.com/nube24/uz6jfuqwud51qnkf/wish/1422651394 @ the second question: maybe it can also represent the fears of the black community as well as the desires because they are equally as important and it has an effect on them day to day so wouldn't it be more accurate or erotic to represent the reality?

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