https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw Evidence gathering for argumentative prompt. en-us 2018-12-14 16:34:30 UTC 2018-12-17 21:14:07 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745010 para 16 "And so, what duties to others need to make room for, even in a soldier's life of service and sacrifice, are duties to self, of self-forgiveness and self-empathy."]]> 2018-12-14 17:25:43 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745010 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745132 - In places with high natural disaster rates, they warn people and asked them to be prepared for anything during storms. To support his guiltiness he chose to go to the beach and wasn't prepared in any way.]]> 2018-12-14 17:26:02 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745132 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745391 "in these cases, people may be casually responsible for harm- they bring about their harm through their agency..."]]> 2018-12-14 17:26:39 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745391 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745754 By: Haruki Murakami
"I could find nothing in it but a boy's gentle, innocent spirit" (paragraph 54). K doesn't hate or blame The Seventh Man for running away from the wave. K has long forgiven him.]]> 2018-12-14 17:27:34 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314745754 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746217 Paragraph 16
"Good soldiers depend on each other, come to love each other, and have duties to care and bring each other safely home."

The seventh man should have been there for K. They were best friends and he should have been there for K. The seventh man wasn't there for K when he needed him most and for that he is guilty as sin]]> 2018-12-14 17:28:42 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746217 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746565 In the text "The seventh man" the author says on paragraph #30 that "I knew that the wave was coming, and k. didnt know.as clearly as i knew what i ought to be doing, i found myself running the other way" the seventh man was in a state of fear; he didnt know what he was doing in the moment]]> 2018-12-14 17:29:33 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746565 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746697 "]]> 2018-12-14 17:29:53 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746697 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746962 "As clearly as I knew what I ought to be doing, I found myself running the other way-running full speed toward the dyke, alone." This shows that he literally left K. to die, and you can't really forgive yourself.]]> 2018-12-14 17:30:33 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314746962 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314747802 "I'm getting out of here!" I yelled to K. He was maybe ten yards down the beach, squatting with his back to me, and looking at something. I was sure I had yelled loud enough, but my voice did not seem to have reached him. He might have been so absorbed in whatever it was he had found that my call made no impression on him."
(Murakami, paragraph 28)
Even though he believes it was his fault, he gave plenty of warning to K. Though the message may or may not have reached him, he still gave one.]]> 2018-12-14 17:32:34 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314747802 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314747832 By Haruki Murakami
"Surely K. had not been looking at me with with hatred or resentment; he had not been trying to take me away with him...perhaps he had giving me a gentle smile of eternal parting." 
K had probably already lost consciousness by the time the seventh man saw him in the wave and this evidence shows that K. doesn't blame the seventh man; the seventh man shouldn't blame himself]]> 2018-12-14 17:32:38 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314747832 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314747987 "I knew how frightening the ocean could be-- the savagery with which it could strike unannounced." this highlights that he knew how dangerous the ocean could be during the storm, but he went to the shore anyways.]]> 2018-12-14 17:33:02 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314747987 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748167 He came out with his neighbor K, and together no one was their for eachother as neighbors are supposed to be.]]> 2018-12-14 17:33:23 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748167 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748253 The author had sensed that something was different about the beach.  In paragraph 24 it says "In the eye of the typhoon, thought, it all looked different: the color of the sky and of the sea, the  sound of the waves, the smell of the tide, the whole expanse of the shore." He also decided to run when he felt that  the wave was coming and didn't warn K.]]> 2018-12-14 17:33:36 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748253 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748587 para 15 "It is a way that soldiers impose moral order on the chaos and awful randomness of war's violence."
Just like how war is random, it was completely random when the wave took K's life.]]> 2018-12-14 17:34:21 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748587 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748928 Paragraph 63
"But even if it comes too late, I am grateful that, in the end, I was able to attain a kind of salvation, to effect some sort of recovery."]]> 2018-12-14 17:35:10 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748928 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748991 oops]]> 2018-12-14 17:35:18 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314748991 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314749715 2018-12-14 17:36:50 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314749715 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314749993 "k. was looking straight at me, smiling" this is the way k wanted to go he was happy for this ]]> 2018-12-14 17:37:23 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314749993 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314750634 2018-12-14 17:38:40 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314750634 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314807670 "He had probably already lost consciousness, or perhaps he had been giving me a gentle smile of eternal parting. The intense look of hatred I thought I saw on his face had been nothing but a reflection of the profound terror that had taken control of me for the moment." page 143 paragraph 53]]> 2018-12-14 19:48:11 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314807670 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314807821 Paragraph 65
"For then we take the most precious thing inside of us and surrender it to something else. In my case, that something was the wave."]]> 2018-12-14 19:48:37 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314807821 ellamarie_layman https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314807945 "There, right in front of me, so close that I could have reached out and touched him, was my friend, my friend K. who, only moments before, had been swallowed by the wave." Paragraph 37]]> 2018-12-14 19:48:57 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314807945 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808285 Paragraph 28: "I was sure I had yelled loud enough, but my voice did not seem to have reached him." This evidence shows that he tried to issue a warning to K., but K. didn't hear him. He didn't completely abandon K. without a second thought, he tried, so therefore he should forgive himself. ]]> 2018-12-14 19:49:48 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808285 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808322 By Haruki Murakami
"...surely K, had not been looking at me with hatred or resentment...perhaps he had been giving me a gentle smile of eternal parting." This shows that K knew he was going to die and understood his fate. He might've tried to show the seventh man that he wasn't upset.]]> 2018-12-14 19:49:56 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808322 gavin_keyser https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808389 In paragraph 16 it states " have called these 'imperfect duties' : even in best circumstances, we can't perfectly fulfill them."]]> 2018-12-14 19:50:06 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808389 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808421
paragraph 2
"The guilt begins an endless loop of counterfactuals-thoughts that you could have or should have done otherwise, though in fact you did nothing wrong." This piece of text shows that guilt can become controlling in a persons life, just as it had done in the seventh mans life. However, the seventh man doesn't need to learn to forgive himself but rather let go of his guilt. To say that he needs to forgive himself, is to say that he did something wrong. The horrifying events that took place is the seventh mans early life were unimaginable but the seventh man was not at fault. It was simply a terrible accident]]> 2018-12-14 19:50:11 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808421 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808430 Paragraph 30 "I told myself to run over to K., grab hold of him, and get out of there. It was the only thing to do. I knew that the wave was coming and K. didn't know. As clearly as I knew what I ought to be doing, I found myself running the other way - running full speed towards the dyke, alone." This shows how the seventh man was overcome by fear and thought for himself, and so he didn't think about K.'s safety.]]> 2018-12-14 19:50:12 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808430 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808479 "And then I realized that the deep darkness inside my head had vanished. Paragraph 60. By doing his duty to K. the seventh man finally forgives himself. This has a direct correlation to survivor guilt.]]> 2018-12-14 19:50:19 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808479 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808650 paragraph 53
"The intense look of hatred I thought I saw on his face had been nothing but a reflection of the profound terror that had taken control of me for the moment"


]]> 2018-12-14 19:50:46 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808650 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808676 Paragraph 20-22
"Without a word, he came along with me."

This shows that K. only went down to the beach because of the narrator. If the narrator had never existed, then K. would not have gone to the beach. If he had stayed off the beach, he would not have been killed by the wave. ]]> 2018-12-14 19:50:50 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314808676 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809087 The seventh man didn't do anything wrong. By saying that he doesn't forgive himself would imply that he did something wrong. In paragraph 34 the author writes, " It towered before me, blocking out the sky. like a deadly cliff." Even if the seventh man wanted to help K. he couldn't. The seventh man did nothing wrong. Therefore there's nothing that he needs to forgive himself for.]]> 2018-12-14 19:52:04 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809087 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809112 theyve never found ks doy theve never his dog either( the seventh man caused the death of a dog think about that]]> 2018-12-14 19:52:11 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809112 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809249 "But as Bonenberger's remarks make clear, we often take responsibility in a way that goes beyond what we can reasonably  be held  responsible for. And we feel the guilt that comes with that sense of responsibility." 
(5) Nancy Sherman 
If we couldn't change anything, than it's not our fault.]]> 2018-12-14 19:52:41 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809249 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809344 2018-12-14 19:53:00 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809344 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809359 Nancy Sherman
 Paragraph 2: "Subjective guilt, associated with this sense of responsibility, is thought to be irrational because one feels guilty despite the fact that he knows he has done nothing wrong." This shows that the narrator of "The Seventh Man" should forgive himself for his failure to save K. since it is irrational for him to think that way and it was very much an imperfect duty that he had no control over.]]> 2018-12-14 19:53:03 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809359 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809483  By: Haruki Murakami 
   Paragraph 45 
"At the end of the year I pleaded with my parents to let me move to another town. I couldn't go on living in sight of the beach where K. had been swept away, and my nightmares wouldn't stop". ]]> 2018-12-14 19:53:31 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809483 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809535 "Moreover, many of the feelings that express character are not about what one has done or should have done, but rather about what one cares deeply about" page 154 paragraph 6]]> 2018-12-14 19:53:40 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314809535 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810360 Paragraph 53: "...surely K. had not been looking at me with hatred or resentment; he had not been trying to take me away with him." This evidence shows that K. couldn't have hated him in that moment, it wasn't his fault that he was swept away. So the author should forgive himself. ]]> 2018-12-14 19:56:15 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810360 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810439 "but you feel responsible. The guilt begins an endless group of counterfactuals-thoughts that you could or should have done otherwise." Paragraph 2]]> 2018-12-14 19:56:28 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810439 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810529 Page 139, Paragraph 37
"In the tip of the wave, as if enclosed in some kind of transparent capsule, floated K.'s body...there, right in front of me, so close that I could have reached out and touched him, was my friend, my friend K...."]]> 2018-12-14 19:56:44 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810529 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810575 On Paragraph 5, it states" We often take responsibility in a way that goes beyond what we can reasonably be held responsible for"]]> 2018-12-14 19:56:51 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314810575 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314811280 Page 138, paragraph 33, "]]> 2018-12-14 19:59:01 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314811280 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314811326 Paragraph 4: "]]> 2018-12-14 19:59:06 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314811326 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314811354 Paragraph 15-16. Imperfect duty is still a duty but must be reasonable.]]> 2018-12-14 19:59:12 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314811354 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840624 In paragraph 28, the narrator said, "'I'm getting out of here!' I yelled to K." This shows how he wanted to save K. but wasn't heard by him. It was an accident and if he were to save K. it could've put himself in more danger.]]> 2018-12-14 22:11:43 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840624 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840693 Page 126 paragraph 1
"Some people willingly put themselves in life or death situations." They made the choice to go out during the storm.]]> 2018-12-14 22:12:01 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840693 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840744 2018-12-14 22:12:24 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840744 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840803 "And so, what duties to others need to make room for, even in a soldier's life of service and sacrifice, are duties to self, of self-forgiveness and self-empathy. These are a part of full moral repair." Paragraph 16.]]> 2018-12-14 22:12:43 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840803 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840826 As said in paragraph 10 "involved in friendly fire accidents that took their comrades' lives, didn't feel regret for what happened, but raw, deep, unabashed guilt." This is pertaining to people who accidents has happened to and now they will feel horrible for the rest of their lives because a series of misfortunate events.]]> 2018-12-14 22:12:52 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840826 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840967 Paragraph 41 "As great a blow as this had been for them, though, K.'s parents never chided me for having taken him out to the shore in the midst of a typhoon. They knew how I had always loved and protected K. as if he was my little brother.]]> 2018-12-14 22:13:44 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840967 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840998 2018-12-14 22:13:52 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314840998 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841007 (Nancy Sherman, Paragraph 4)
"Objective, or rational guilt, by contrast---guilt that is 'fitting' to one's actions---accurately tracks real wrongdoing or culpability: guilt is appropriate because one acted to deliberately harm someone." The seventh failed to save his friend as a result of acting on flight instinct. Had the seventh man gone to save K, he might've drowned too. The seventh man's guilt wasn't rational because he hadn't deliberately acted to end his friend's life. Therefore, he shouldn't feel guilty for his actions.]]> 2018-12-14 22:13:55 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841007 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841107 In the podcast it talks about how neighbors should look out for each other. The Seventh Man went out there and wasn't there to help instead he just ran. ]]> 2018-12-14 22:14:32 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841107 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841290 In paragraph 28, "I was sure I had yelled loud enough, but my voice did not seem to have reached him." He warned K and couldn't help that K couldn't hear him.]]> 2018-12-14 22:15:45 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841290 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841328 Page 127 paragraph 4
"Some people wind up in trouble because of bad luck, but others make dangerous choices."]]> 2018-12-14 22:16:03 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/314841328 https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/315053842 "Surely K. had not been looking at me with with hatred or resentment he had not been trying to take me away with him...perhaps he had giving me a gentle smile of eternal parting." 
K would've understanded the seventh man's choice.]]> 2018-12-17 05:26:06 UTC https://padlet.com/vina_black/uyx7vtfy33gw/wish/315053842