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      <title>Debate: Loyalty is More Important than Morality. by eugene kim</title>
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      <pubDate>2023-03-14 13:23:00 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Daniel</title>
         <author>danieltongleqi</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>“Shoot all the bluejays you want, if you can hit ‘em, but remember it’s a sin to kill a mockingbird.” in the famous book "To Kill a Mocking Bird", the evildoer reached out to the lawyer's kids on his hatred. When autistic Boo Radley appeared and stopped Bob Ewell from harming the two kids, he accidentally killed Bob Ewell. According to the responsibility and morality of the sheriff and the lawyer, Boo Radley was guilty and should be executed. Nevertheless, the situation was complicated. Since Bob Ewell was an evildoer, and Boo Radley was protecting the two kids, being loyal to Boo Radley is a better choice than one's professional responsibility and morality.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Though not totally forbidden by law, society certainly encourages the pressurizing of those moral breakers. However, aside from the possibility of hurting loyal and moral people at the same time, whistleblowing itself isn't encouraged. According to an article published in the African Journal of Business Ethics, choosing morality instead of loyalty in workplaces may not be a clever choice. “Numerous cases of whistleblowing demonstrate that the act is in fact not appreciated and that whistleblowers are severely victimized by their employers.” (Uys, 38) This opinion suggests that the social dilemma that employees are facing discourages them from blowing the whistle.</div><div><br><br></div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:29:06 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Leonid</title>
         <author>zhangxiyan20070819</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Because morality is a standard that people use to assess whether a thing is right or wrong. If a person doesn’t have morality, he will not know what the wrong thing is, so he will do anything he wants to do. Imagine that many people are like this, society will be completely messy and chaotic, and robbery, stealing, and killing will be everywhere. The common people will be afraid of going outside, and the development of the whole society will be stopped.</div><div>In conclusion, from what our teammates just talked about, we can see that they think that morality is more important than loyalty because it can help us establish a good relationship with others more than loyalty can. Because if you are so loyal to someone, you will be distant from others, and you might do something to hurt others to benefit the person to whom you are loyal. Also, they give some great examples, like Kathy says that if you leave nothing untried to protect a murderer, who’s the person you love, he will not receive any punishment, but the victim suffered much and the killer is still alive, which is a hidden danger for society and even yourself.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:31:19 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Tony Wang</title>
         <author>tw34790206</author>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:31:34 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Coco</title>
         <author>tw34790206</author>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:32:51 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Dubnation Cao</title>
         <author>DunationCao</author>
         <link>https://padlet.com/eugenekim8/uk12mwqok29xovru/wish/2517215028</link>
         <description><![CDATA[<div>Our society runs on the basic unit of trust between people. Both Loyalty and Morality are the keys that open up the inner benevolence and faith locked in people's hearts. Sometimes we would consider loyalty as a part of morality, one of the most important parts, so important that it might be deemed as a superior option if you can use it wisely. The ultimate goal of having Loyalty and Morality is the same: serving the order of society. Ideally, they should not contradict each other. Yet, we focused on those contradictions we found in the real world and discovered loyalty’s supremacy in many cases. Think about it, our point is if loyalty is there offering us a better solution, still choosing to stick with morality contradicts the initial goodwill of having morality. In other ways, blindly choosing morality might break this trusting relationship and bring us several troubles in life.<br>In those arguments and ideas that our group firmly believed in: regardless of whether it is whistle-blowers, tolerance to friends, or universal loyalty, all we wanted to show is when loyalty brought us harmony yet following morality would make things worse. Whistleblowers follow their morality but are wildly disliked, people who can't learn to tolerate others won't be able to make friends, or being loyal to everybody and think of how can you really help them rather than blindly offer protections all of these are what makes loyalty outstanding when compared with morality.<br>Again, in conclusion, we would all agree upon that, loyalty is a better option than morality.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:33:17 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Chris</title>
         <author>2H0U</author>
         <link>https://padlet.com/eugenekim8/uk12mwqok29xovru/wish/2517216026</link>
         <description><![CDATA[<div>That was a really good argument. However, there are two aspects that I want to say against your statement. Firstly, if a person always shows tolerance to their friends even though they did immoral things, then there will be one day that they start to do things worse than they did before even committing a crime. For example, if one day your friends said: "Hey will you kill that guy? I really hate him.", will you really do it? since you are loyal to him. Secondly, adhering to morality doesn't means you don't have any friends. People who are moral can also be popular in society, being moral means you have a really good quality, and no one wants to refuse to be friends with a great person. So that being moral can not build good relationships with other people is not true.&nbsp;</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:34:34 UTC</pubDate>
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         <author>huangkathy2008</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>"Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life." Albert Einstein.</div><div>Morality usually means a set of standards for good or bad behavior and character, or the quality of being right, honest, and acceptable. Loyalty, on the other hand, is a sense of duty or devoted attachment to something or someone. Is having loyalty more important than morality? This is one of the most important questions humans as species struggle with. There is no doubt that each of us would do our best effort to help those that we care about. However, most of the time, loyalty to someone we love conflicts with our sense of morality. Perhaps the answer to the question is morality should be more important. Under whatever circumstances, we should choose what is right, because to do otherwise is considered selfish. Imagine that you need to choose between your loved one and the punishment he or she deserves. If we did all the best for the person we care about, the world would be much of a chaotic place. Everyone would choose to protect the one they care about and be very selfish. In this case, the evil neither gets the punishment nor reflects on oneself. There is a potential that they would do the same thing again. More seriously, if your protection requires lying or threatening the interests of others, you will most likely receive penalties. You will be hated and retaliated against by that innocent person’s family or friends. At the same time, if the lie is exposed, you will receive punishments that could cause your present or future life. There is no benefit in protecting others with your present or future. Morality is therefore more significant than loyalty.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:34:52 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Coco</title>
         <author>OcocLiang</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Moral integrity will help a person win the respect and trust of others, which will enable him to make more friends and build good relationships with others. However, generally, a loyal person will not have a good relationship with others. Firstly, it is because if you get too close to someone, you're bound to alienate others because people's time and energy are limited, if you spend too much time on one person, you will have no time to spend on others. Secondly, this is because if a person is too loyal to someone, he may hurt others for the benefit of the person he is loyal to. So, others will not trust him, even despise him, and think that he is a dishonest and unscrupulous person. This is why some people hate lawyers and do not want to make friends with them. Some lawyers distort the truth to get criminals off. And if you despise someone, of course, you don't make friends with them, you might even tell people around you to stay away from them. To be more specific, let’s say you are a worker in a company, and you are loyal to the leader of the company. When the leader asks you to glean information from your friend about the bidding price that his company is going to give. You should, according to the hypothesis that loyalty is more important than morality. However, if you do, no one will then trust you and make friends with you since they know that you are not a trustable person, and you will take advantage of them when you need them. Thus, you will lose all your friends and can’t build any good relationships with others.&nbsp;</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:35:00 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Rhea</title>
         <author>yaotan</author>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:35:44 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Andrew</title>
         <author>andrewbcyao</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Thank you, Coco, I do appreciate your argument. Still, I have something to say in response. Firstly, you talked about trust, the kind of trust that morality could bring you. Yet being loyal to your friend is a better way to earn trust, because the person you've been loyal to can sense your attention and care for him. Though sorry to point out another thing, you mixed irrelevant things together: Being loyal to someone doesn't mean you have to get overly close to the person. Therefore the time problem you described should not happen and being loyal simply means not harming and betraying that person. In the example you just mentioned, there is a vague boundary between moral principles and laws. When doing business, being shrewd is the moral thing to do and not helping my boss when I have the power to is immoral. If you are telling me that being loyal has touched the law of illegally obtaining private information, I would tell you that this only proves the importance of sticking to the law before considering loyalty, not the importance of being moral<br><br></div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:37:07 UTC</pubDate>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Thank you for your argument, but there are several points in your argument that I would like to raise objection against. Firstly, I believe that being loyal to someone we are close to isn't something that needs to be done at the expense of others. In a court of law for example, evidence decides whether a person is guilty or innocent of a crime, not moral principles. If a case's decision is decided by a single person deciding whether to lie or not, then the entire court probably isn't just and functional. Loyalty is a universal good characteristic; being loyal means being loyal to everyone, and society in general. If I did indeed witness a murder and is sure that the person in court is guilty of the heinous crime, then I would definitely testify against him, but not because I am a moral person. In a court of law, morality should have no place, as what decides things here is only the unwavering sense of loyalty towards justice. We have just rulings in court not because the witnesses are being moral, but because they know that they must be loyal to the law. Furthermore, if I did give false testimony to protect a murderer, even if he is a member of my family, I would be putting other members of my family and friends in peril, and I am definitely aware of that.<br>Additionally, I believe that being loyal to someone is doing what you know would truly be beneficial for them, and doing the right thing for them doesn't necessarily mean satisfying every demand they make in the immediate future. If a person I care about did something that actually caused harm to someone else, then I would first talk to him or her about the repercussions of their actions. I would try my best to make them understand that what they're doing is unacceptable and may cause permanent harm in the future. Being loyal to a friend means doing what's actually and ultimately good for them, not allowing them to do what they want and make them suffer the consequences of their own mistakes.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 05:46:42 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>Andrew</title>
         <author>andrewbcyao</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Thank you Coco, I do appreciate your argument. Still, I have something to say in response. Firstly, you talked about trust, the kind of trust that morality could bring you. Yet being loyal to your friend is a better way to earn trust, because the person you’ve been loyal to can sense your attention and care for him. Though sorry to point out another thing, but you mixed irrelevant things together: Being loyal to someone doesn’t mean you have to get overly close to the person. Therefore the time problem you described should not happen and being loyal simply means not to harm and betray that person. In the example you just mentioned, there is a vague boundary between moral principles and laws. When doing business, being shrewd is the moral thing to do and not helping my boss when I have the power to is immoral. If you are telling me that being loyal has touched the law of illegally obtaining private information, I would tell you that this only proves the importance of sticking to the law before considering loyalty, not the importance of being moral.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-15 13:50:29 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>new one coco</title>
         <author>jingjiangliang</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Moral integrity will help a person win the respect and trust of others, which will enable him to make more friends and build good relationships with others. However, generally, a person who is too loyal may not have good relationships with others. Firstly, this is because if you get too close to someone, you may alienate others as people's time and energy are limited. If you spend too much time on one person, you may have no time to spend on others. Secondly, if a person is too loyal to someone, they may prioritize that person's benefit over others, which may hurt others. Thus, others may not trust or despise the person and view them as dishonest and unscrupulous. This is why some people hate lawyers and do not want to make friends with them as they distort the truth to get criminals off. And if you despise someone, of course, you don't make friends with them, and you might even tell people around you to stay away from them. To be more specific, let’s say you are a worker in a company, and you are loyal to the leader of the company. When the leader asks you to glean information from your friend about the bidding price that his company is going to give. You should, according to the hypothesis that loyalty is more important than morality. However, if you do, no one will then trust and make friends with you as they know that you will take advantage of them whenever you need and you are not trustable. Thus, you will lose all your friends and can’t build any good relationships with others.&nbsp;</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-16 09:20:05 UTC</pubDate>
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         <title>coco</title>
         <author>jingjiangliang</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Thank you for your opening statement, and I will refute it in two aspects. First of all, in your case “To Kill a Mockingbird”, Boo Radley killed someone but was protected by the sheriff and his lawyer because he was justified. However, the loyalty and protection of Boo Radley by the sheriff and his lawyer is actually going to hurt Boo Radley because he's getting away with killing people. So, he may have realized that if he found the right excuse, he could get away with killing people. In this way, he will go astray. Thus, this loyalty may have hurt Boo Radley. In addition, the duty of sheriff and lawyers is to enforce the law, and they should not distort the law for any reason. Because if they set a precedent, others will follow, which means that other sheriff and lawyers may act in their own interests and not enforce the law and that will lead to more innocent victims. Thus, this loyalty does not only hurt Boo Radley but also other innocent people.</div><div>Secondly, regarding your second example, I would like to say that admittedly, most people don't want to blow the whistle and don't want others to do it, but it's not hard to see their motives - blowing the whistle will hurt their own interests and those of others which will make he or she an outlier and will make him or her targeted by others. However, let us imagine that in a company, everyone is corrupt and does not work, and as everyone is loyal to each other, no one&nbsp; report others for corruption. Therefore, the only thing that will happen to this group is that it will be destroyed. Such examples are common in real life, such as MF Global and Enron Corporation. Thus, this kind of loyalty is undesirable.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-16 09:24:23 UTC</pubDate>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>A person who can report on someone else is someone who would have no friends and have terrible relationships with others. No one would want to enter a relationship with this person knowing that he or she may be reported for the smallest wrongdoing. Being friends require a certain degree of tolerance and compromise, and a person who only adheres to morality would never tolerate other people’s immoral behavior. But loyal people can be very tolerant of their friends, because I am loyal to you to build trust, so even some immoral behavior out of loyalty will be tolerant. These people are more likely to act out of their own minds. In other words, if you build a relationship with such people, they will show trust in you and will show maximum tolerance for your "immoral" behavior.</div>]]></description>
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         <pubDate>2023-03-16 11:59:49 UTC</pubDate>
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