https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6 4-9-19 en-us 2019-04-08 12:02:19 UTC 2020-03-04 19:13:34 UTC hello@padlet.com jkeys6 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349909263 The point of a backchannel is to allow you to reflect and make connections on what you are hearing - for this activity, it's paying close attention to what the inner circle is discussing. Consider any new ways of thinking, new ideas, or new perspectives that come up while you are listening to their notes. Also consider any outside connections to other texts, to your personal experiences, or to issues in our world. You must reference what someone has said. ]]> 2019-04-09 13:07:22 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349909263 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990105 going off what sky said about us being able to relate to vonnegut because of his age. We can be able to see how traumatic it would be if we where in his shoes. It is very hard to imagine going through it. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:00 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990105 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990193 To build off of Tyler, he talked about how the sentence structure was jumbled up into a bunch of ideas about the experiences they have had, it may also show how they might have felt during these times. Such as having a bunch of thoughts and ideas going through their brain during these times. Tyler also said that the environment should have been quiet after the massacre because of the losses and their experiences.]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990193 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990222 A long way gone- 

I agree with Brooke on the idea of a cycle of violence and how this helps Ishmal Beah to cope with the loss of his family. Nothing can be accomplished by violence. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990222 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990279 2019-04-09 15:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990279 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990287 S.Five : Whenever Tyler talked about the structure and syntax contributing to the author conveying the concept of loss, I thought that was a good connection. Vonneguts short and choppy sentences are straight to the point, without including and "fluff". This conveys how he feels about the concept of lost. He doesn't draw it out and make it more painful than it has to be. He just addresses it, and moves on, which is a constant mindset throughout the entire novel. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990287 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990288 Alyssa. Loss of childhood and the words "babies" reveals that a lot of soldiers were young. This ties along with anti-war theme because the soldiers really lost themselves emotionally and the government is to blame for that. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990288 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990436 S. Five 
Tyler brought up the idea that the structure of short, choppy sentences contribute to loss and it shows how the loss has affected him. I agree that the way he portrayed his loss of innocence was through his words and sentence structure. By stating 'you were babies in the war' it shows the innocence he lost in the war and how young he was. This later affected him by causing him trauma in his future. Vonnegut highlights how kids are being stripped of innocence by being put in war and experience trauma for their whole lives. A short sentence structure and the diction used portrays the loss not only Vonnegut experiences, but all kids who have to go to war. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:37 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990436 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990453 TK mentioned how Vonnegut mentioned the " Poo-tee-tweet" and how it represented loss after the massacre. He said that everything was supposed to be quiet, except for the birds. I agree with TK and also maybe because Vonnegut ended with the Poo-tee-tweet line it may also show that the loss experienced at the massacre may still affect Vonnegut. Even a phrase as simple as this may hold more meaning than is on the surface.]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990453 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990596 The authors structure affects how loss is used in the text. Vonnegut says that loss is going to happen but, you cannot really do too much about it.]]> 2019-04-09 15:33:54 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990596 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990655 I agree with what Tyler said loss is a big component due to the way that Vonnegut portrays it. As he said, the birds are an important symbol within the book because it shows that like the people in the book, some people/things don't seem to be disturbed by the concept of death and when it occurs people sometimes tend to just push it to the side. To add on to that, I feel that the birds also show the loss of innocence of the people within the book because usually people (or birds in this instance) would be greatly effected by war and the aftermath of it but the birds in this portion of then novel don't seem to be effected by the war which conveys loss of innocence.]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:02 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990655 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990679 To build off of what Tyler said, the syntax of choppy sentences shows how he has mixed and jumbled up thoughts and feelings of war and it is extremely difficult to express war and the experiences. This is shown through Vonnegut saying, "I taught in the afternoons. In the mornings I wrote. I was not to be disturbed. I was working on my famous book about Dresden."]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:04 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990679 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990685 i agree with what sky said in war you loose loss of innocence you see things that can change you, and you see death and you loose people you come close to]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:05 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990685 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990726 S. Five: I agree with Alyssa and Camden in saying that it is not appropriate to send children to war. This takes away their childhood, which every child deserves to experience. I also agree that children are not mature enough to experience what occurs during a war. This is where the concept of loss connects to Slaughterhouse Five. The children involved in the war undergo the loss of their own innocence. If these children don't have to experience the war, they still have the opportunity to embrace their childhood, and in this case, they do not lose their innocence anywhere near as much.]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:09 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990726 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990793 i agree with him. the qoute he uses of things being jambled together helps connect to the idea of loss, because life seems like it is very jumbled together on its own and the things in life are also that way and more specifically loss in this book because theres so much of it . Billy is incorporated in the war very largely and not only is there loss in the war but also in his own personal life, epsecially his mental state. He delt with a lot of loss and it seems to never have stopped for him. In this book, loss is not just death, nor is it only that in any book but there are many examples of it in this particular book. there is his loss mentally, friendships, a home, and so much more and it affects him trmudously and its in many forms and helps shape the whole basis of the book. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990793 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990968 I agree with Tyler about how the author ends the book with tweet tweet tweet and how it is really powerful  to the reader .

]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:37 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990968 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990977 I agree with what Camden said because in the middle of the book Vonnegut says that a 14 year old was killed fighting in the war and nobody made a big deal. And to build off of that the loss of child represents the theme of death and how kids shouldn't be fighting in the war.]]> 2019-04-09 15:34:37 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349990977 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349991287 S. Five
I agree with Skyler because Vonnegut does often portray the theme of loss. Vonnegut does this when he talks about all of the good aspects we would could have if we did not have war. However since war is a thing, people all over the world lose those aspects

]]> 2019-04-09 15:35:11 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349991287 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349991690 S.Five I like how Skylar brings up the point that even though Vonnegut is anti war, he still brings up his experiences of war and how they went. It makes us see how his views of war are what they are and why he is the way he is.]]> 2019-04-09 15:36:01 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349991690 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992034 I agree with Skylar and Alyssa said with how Vonnegut uses the most effective ways in conveying the idea of loss. For example, he uses the word babies a good amount to show loss of innocence and how so many of the people fighting in the war were so young. I think it also connects to us more because some of the people who were fighting were around our ages, and we might be able to better understand the things they were going through as soldiers.]]> 2019-04-09 15:36:39 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992034 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992178 I agree with sky how Vonnegut throughout the story talks with the anti-war theme and continuously conveys loss with war because Vonnegut shows how traumatic the conflict is towards readers; As it shows the repeated loss throughout the story with war and conflict.]]> 2019-04-09 15:36:56 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992178 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992382 Vonnegut uses strong vocab and stories to show loss in the war. The reader is learning about how people cope with loss, like how Billy would read science fiction to cope with stress. Everyone copes and overcomes in different ways. Vonneguts book helped him overcome his PTSD from the war and also teach others antiwar themes.  ]]> 2019-04-09 15:37:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992382 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992864 i like the way Skylar put loss that loss is a different thing and people cope with it all differently and also there's is so many types of loss out there ]]> 2019-04-09 15:38:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349992864 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993171 I agree with Skylar how she says loss is very complex and an important theme. It has multitudes of coping levels when they have loss. Vonnegut copes with writing his book. The book is very dark, and he feels the need to share his experiences to inform others. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:38:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993171 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993519 S.Five
Skyler mentioned how everyone experiences loss differently and how each person may cope with loss differently. I think that maybe how much a specific person lost may have an impact on how they cope. Like if someone losses a championship game they will be sad and disappointed, but they may cope differently if they lost a family member or a close friend. So I agree that everyone may cope differently but I think that what the person losses plays a huge part on how they cope. Also, the persons character may determine how they cope. If someone has such a strong character that they think it is weakness to cry then they will deal with loss differently. So there are many aspects on how people deal with loss.]]> 2019-04-09 15:39:27 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993519 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993585 i agree with what gianna said, he lost his childhood and didnt get to experience what normal was like bc he went into war at such a young age and experienced things he shouldnt have at his age.]]> 2019-04-09 15:39:35 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993585 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993702 There are many different examples of loss and how people cope with it but something that I've seen in common of all the books is that people have all found different ways to get over loss like how Camden said that the book was a way for Vonnegut to save himself from PTSD.]]> 2019-04-09 15:39:45 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993702 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993768 S. Five
I agree with Tyler because in the war, Vonnegut often referred to young kids in war. Tyler brought up the loss of innocence theme. Those people in the war saw horrific things at a young age. Vonnegut does this to show loss. This can also be seen in a Long Way Gone when kids were fighting in the war and it changed them.]]> 2019-04-09 15:39:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993768 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993944 i agree with skylar that loss is an important theme. it is something that everyone can relate to because loss is just something that every human goes through at one time. it shows us how people cope in different way. vonnegut's way of coping was writing the book. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:40:11 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349993944 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349994584 I also agree with skylar on how she points out that loss is many things. It could be something small or large. It just depends on how that specific person takes and to reacts to the issue or loss. And losing something isnt exactly always a physical thing, it can be something like their childhood. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:41:27 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349994584 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349994619 I agree with sky on how everyone copes with loss differently. As some may fall down and have the traumatic events overcome them as some may rise up and try to move forward; And i feel as if each story had its own conflict of coping.]]> 2019-04-09 15:41:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349994619 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349994995 ALWG I agree with Collin because he only did the things he did because of the loss of his family. When he was in the war, his war "buddies" were the only thing he had close to a family, and that made him corrupt and lose his innocence because of their views.]]> 2019-04-09 15:42:15 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349994995 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995132 2019-04-09 15:42:30 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995132 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995208 I agree with Gianna's point that throughout the book, the author uses the book in itself to help him cope with the loss that he felt throughout the war. Along with that, the idea of loss of innocence that was also brought up is conveyed throughout this novel because the author goes into detail about how the war changed him and also how the novel helped him regain the hope that he had lost. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:42:37 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995208 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995256 I agree with Gianna in the sense that he is trying to convey his trauma and loss of childhood. Within the second passage he reveals to the reader his reasoning to fight is because he lost his family and wanted to avenge them]]> 2019-04-09 15:42:44 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995256 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995374 A Long Way Gone
I agree with Mackenzie because there is a big example of loss of innocence when he lost his family and joined the war. If the war did not happen then Ishamael would not have gone into the war.]]> 2019-04-09 15:42:59 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995374 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995385 In ALWG there are multiple reasons for feeling loss. He has loss of innocence for being a child of war, loss of time because he had to mature quickly, and loss of his family. Mackenzie T said that once he lost his family, he uses short, choppy syntax to show how he felt during the war. The long sentences shows his hope for change so it wouldn't happen to anyone else. I think that's a very good example for syntax. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:43:01 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995385 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995706 ALWG
I agree that in the story, ismel doesnt deal with loss very well and actually wants to get revenge on his loss, his family. He is put into a horrible position and theres so much loss that he goes through. He ends up losing his brother (his only close living relative left) along with hs friends as he experiences the struggles of the war and everything that comes with it. Theres alot of loss and its also shown in this book that its not just death but also his innocence, childhood, and his own home and town. Its like he had to completly start his life over from scraps of what he does have left. But as mcuh as his loss was a negative thing it also helps him build as a person and how her preceves things and helps him how to think in a mature manner. He became a stroner person but still weak and something he would never forget or get over.]]> 2019-04-09 15:43:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995706 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995727 To build off what Brooke and Gianna said it shows how the loss of innocence explains why he may have used the short sentences. This may have happened because of his past experiences, such as the attacks. I also agree with Collin's perception of the tone because he uses many words that show how he is troubled though this time period, these words include loss of our families, starvation, aimlessly, and survive. I strongly agree with Paul's outside source because I felt the same way... ]]> 2019-04-09 15:43:41 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995727 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995804 In ALWG the author mentions loss quite a bit and about avenging his fallen family members.The author also has to learn to grow up fast because he lost his family at a young age.]]> 2019-04-09 15:43:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995804 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995809 In my opinion, Ishmael suffers from the worst loss out of all the books. He witnesses his family's death and there was nothing he could do to stop it. He overcame his issues be joining the army to get revenge on the murderers of his family. But, as he grew older, he learned what he did was wrong and was forgiven for his actions. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:43:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995809 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995957 I agree with what Brooke says that how revenge was a coping mechanism for Ishmael to make sure that his family didn't die in vain. This shows a loss of innocence because he was killing but then I feel like he gained some back because he realized it was wrong and stopped being so violent and also relates to the theme of war and death. This is shown through the fact that Ishmael didn't want any other children to have to lose their families, which is shown in the second passage. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:44:08 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995957 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995972 I agree with Gianna how through his coping methods do we really understand as a reader what Ishmael lost. Not only does he lose his family but also his innocence and we truly see this by how he tries to deal with these losses.]]> 2019-04-09 15:44:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349995972 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996112 I agree with Gianna on how Ishma dealt with coping. He lost a lot of important things in his life and i felt the things he later on had to do in order to survive were all for his family who didnt survive and its how he changed drastically throughout the book. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:44:26 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996112 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996200 The short choppy sentences kind of show that he was upset and lost hope by not going too far into detail because he was affected so much so it hurts to talk about it. I agree with Gianna how he doesn't even speak like a child anymore which shows a big loss of innocence and his childhood and it will permanently affect him.]]> 2019-04-09 15:44:34 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996200 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996219 A Long Way Gone:
I agree with Gianna about the fact that his losses helped him to keep going and gave him motivation to keep living, then as Kenzie said, he went on to teach people about his own personal experiences he went through. He also portrays the anti-war theme with wanting the war to end and how he was against it, like Kurt Vonnegut.]]> 2019-04-09 15:44:36 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996219 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996373 ALWG: I agree with Gianna in saying that the first excerpt has a very negative connotation. The author conveys the concept of loss again through children undergoing the loss of their innocence. Ishmael eventually only knew the "war-life" and his normal childhood life became unknown to him. He no longer lived in an appropriate home for children; he lived in forests throughout the war and at times, he didn't even know what day it was.]]> 2019-04-09 15:44:54 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996373 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996521 I agree with what Kenzie said about how Ishmael has lost his sense of innocence, because he views his gun as his protector and provider. Normal people who have a family know that throughout your life your family is always there to protect you and make sure that you are doing ok, and to help you out if youre in a tough spot. So the fact that Ishmael views his gun as his protector and provider, which are things a family are supposed to do just highlights how much he has really lost, to fall so far that he has to rely on a materialistic thing to protect his future.]]> 2019-04-09 15:45:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996521 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996638 I agree with Kayla when she brought up the point of how we can see Macbeth losing innocence. In the second paragraph he says " I have almost forgotten what it feels like to be afraid." In the beginning he was a coward and would have not been able to do the things that he did later in the story if he didn't have that loss of innocence.]]> 2019-04-09 15:45:24 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996638 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996808 (ALWG) I agree with what Kenzie said about the short and choppy sentences and how they convey the loss of innocence that's reiterated so many times throughout the text. In addition, I also think it conveys a very monotone tone that lacks emotion; much like the affected child soldiers of the story]]> 2019-04-09 15:45:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996808 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996989 I agree with Kenzie on the short, choppy sentence structure. Beah uses syntax to convey a trail of thoughts and the mind space of Ishmal. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:46:03 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349996989 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349997368 I agree with Mackenzie that the war has stripped his innocence and he reveals this to the reader through his experiences and lifestyle. The things of normal children is replaced with war, killing, drugs and he lost all feeling and was an emotionless killer. He joined by force and found comfort and felt safe behind a gun among other children trained to kill. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:46:46 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349997368 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349997848 I agree with the group on what she is saying about the loss of innocence. Ishmal should not have gone through what he went through and lost out on being a kid. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:47:41 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349997848 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349998239 To build off of what Gianna was saying about him losing his innocence at a young age due to the loss of his parents, I also feel that he lost his hope at a very young age due to the fact that everything was taken away from him when he was very young. Since he was so young when these things occurred, I also feel like he was too young to comprehend everything that has happened so that caused his loss of hope and innocence to travel with him to when he was older due to the fact that he had never actually processed the feelings that he had when he was young.]]> 2019-04-09 15:48:26 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349998239 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349998259 (ALWG) I very strongly agree with the discussion of Beah's intention in writing the memoir, in the sense that he wrote it to provide a sense of hope for others in  bad situations by providing the eventual positive outcome of his own brutal past. Many texts we've read this year have been written with similar intentions.

]]> 2019-04-09 15:48:28 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/349998259 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000248 Macbeth:
I agree with what Kayla and Melody said about Macbeth losing self control and his character because he was a nobleman who  was respected, highly praised, and courageous but then once he was overcome with greed and persuaded by Lady Macbeth he turned into a cowardice killer who was consumed in guilt and paranoia.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:05 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000248 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000293 Macbeth
Theres a lot of loss in this book but more specifically macbeth has a lot of loss and like kayla said one of the things that he did lose was his innocence. He turned mentally insane so he lost his right mind set and also again his innocence. In a way macbeth also lost his wife, in both ways mentally, and in a friendship and in a loving way. i agree with jenna that lady macbeth wants to lose her feminine side and lose a lot in a way that she thinks will positivly affect her when in reality all it does is cause more loss. Macbeth also loses his life and it kind of ends the loss of him but not necessiarly for the overall story]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:09 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000293 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000344 I don't know if you were once a coward and then in the future you can basically do anything is a loss of innocence. I feel like that may just be the character evolving throughout the story, maybe not actually losing his/her innocence, as much as just evolving as an overall character.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000344 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000411 Macbeth lost his innocence due to Lady Macbeths forceful requests for Macbeth to kill King Duncan. If Lady Macbeth had never told him to kill the king, Macbeth would have never felt this way. I agree with Ethan when he said how to tone helps this scene. It really adds to the understanding of Macbeths feelings. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:23 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000411 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000464 i agree with jenna that macbeth lost self control. at the beginning he is just a noble general but at the end he is a murderous villain. once he started killing he could not stop himself and it was a cycle that macbeth cannot stop.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:29 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000464 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000530 I agree with Jenna how his loss of innocence led to his loss of self control because that violent nature took over him and made him commit terrible acts. At this point he doesn't have control and doesn't care about other people anymore. S o, he loses character because at the beginning he was seen as a trustworthy and happy person who was loved and just wanted to be king. His downfall was taking the words the witches said to his head and blowing it out of proportion. His hopefullness led to his loss of innocence and self control.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:37 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000530 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000553 Macbeth: Kayla talked about how Macbeth lost innocence and how it was shown, which I agreed with. Macbeth was once a heroic figure, but as the story proceeds, he begins to change his mindset. He starts to plot against an ally, so that he can get power that he longs for. As a reader, seeing the character change in Macbeth is how the author communicates loss. The loss of innocence is highlighted especially in act 5 scene 5 when it says "Terror is so familiar to my murderous thoughts." Old Macbeth would've never plotted like this, or want to murder someone so close to him. But as he changes, these thoughts become common and normal. Overall, the character change in macbeth is a way the author communicates loss.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:39 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000553 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000624 Macbeth

Kayla and Jenna highlight that Macbeth has lost innocence and has been stripped of his character. In the beginning Macbeth was called a 'coward' by Lady Macbeth and everyone looked up to him as being loyal and someone to never commit the crimes he did. It then states, "I have almost forgotten what it feels like to be afraid." This shows how through killing he has lost who he he used to be and has lost a feeling of being scared of his actions. This contributes to loss and also the negative connotation of words used such as 'dreadful' , 'cruelty', and 'deadly' contribute to a loss of innocence. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:47 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000624 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000644 Macbeth I agree with Ethan because Lady Macbeth acts as though she wants to stand out and be in charge of herself instead of a man doing it. Her loss of innocence tainted Macbeth, and then she had to start to ease back into being not so insane for the better.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:50 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000644 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000717 I was most connected to Kayla's callback to the beginning of the play. She really highlighted how through loss of Macbeth's sanity did he really develop and become more 3-dimensional as a character.]]> 2019-04-09 15:52:59 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000717 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000747 Macbeth
i agree with Ethan tone dark and evil band i liker the way he pointed all the negative words out to give the reader feeling 
i also see how they use loss of innocence  because the characters change there value and who they use to be and how they acted ]]> 2019-04-09 15:53:03 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000747 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000852 Macbeth
I agree with that Macbeth had lost his self control, but I'd like to add on that Macbeth had trauma and peer pressure is what was the main source. After his wife peer pressured him to from being this hero of his time to a murderous villain he grew traumatized to it and lost his self control, this made matters worse and was made him lose in the long run]]> 2019-04-09 15:53:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000852 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000886 I feel like macbeth lost his character more than his innocence. I traditionally think of children, he was a king who had seen the bad in the world already, as where a child has ]]> 2019-04-09 15:53:18 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000886 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000931 (Macbeth) I like Kayla's reference to Macbeth at the beginning of the drama. It allows for his development as a protagonist of the story to be seen, and it reiterates the common theme of a loss of innocence. It can be related to the portion of the excerpt from act 5, long after he has killed for the first times and many times after.

]]> 2019-04-09 15:53:24 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000931 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000951 macbeths changes through out the passage like morgan has talked about i agree with this. she also brings up the point of how she too shows loss of innocence, both ch become numb to what they have done and who they now are. another person relates macbeth and lady macbeth to adam and eve . this is because bothe take the pathe of greed in this case i was the thrown lady macbeth wanted to take action on the predicted future.]]> 2019-04-09 15:53:26 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000951 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000993 I agree with Melody in which the story alludes to Adam and Eve and how Macbeth and Lady Macbeth lose their innocence to the prophecy similar to how Adam & Eve lost their innocence to the devil. This reveals to the reader the way they lost their innocence to their own greed and through the trickery of an outside source. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:53:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350000993 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350001727 I agree with kayla because Macbeth was a hero before becoming king and then these murderous thoughts then just started to flow within him.]]> 2019-04-09 15:54:57 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350001727 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350001830 I agreed with kaylas perspective on lady macbeth. Lady macbeth desired to be evil, this contrasts to macbeth who only developed to be that way. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:55:11 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350001830 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350001867 Macbeth: I agree with Melody in saying that Macbeth lost his innocence throughout the novel. He began as a very respectable character, but as the story continued, he began to lose his fears. This caused him to participate in things that he never would have before, like murder and betrayal to people he once loved.]]> 2019-04-09 15:55:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350001867 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350002389 I like Ethan's point of Lady Macbeth's character loss. She feels like she had to do everything to get power. This made her become not like a normal lady in the time but more of a man. This also leads to her loss of innocence because she keeps wanting to change into a man to have power. ]]> 2019-04-09 15:56:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350002389 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350003549 2019-04-09 15:58:25 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350003549 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350003862 Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close:
I agree with Trinity and Alex, Oskar was a relatively happy kid before his dad died and after he died he only had memories. He was hanging on to those memories, his father's possessions, and the final mission his father was working on. He was constantly looking for clues to hang on to and it helped him cope, he would also give himself bruises whenever he was mad at himself/feeling guilty or just very upset. This book really shows the grief and pain he was dealing with after his father's death and how he dealt with it.]]> 2019-04-09 15:58:58 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350003862 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350004644 I like melody's connection of adam and eve to Macbeth and Lady Macbeth because at the beginning of the drama the two are innocent and just want to come into power. This all changes after their first killing and they keep doing it just how adam and eve keep sinning. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:00:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350004644 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350004867 I liked Melod's comparison of Adam and Eve to the story of Macbeth. I think this was a very clever and well put contrast between the two. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:00:57 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350004867 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350004985 These paragraphs show a good example of loss of innocence in Oskars life after his fathers death. Oskar coped by looking through his fathers stuff for memories. Also, his journey also helped him cope during the grief. I agree with Kenzie with the syntax and vocabulary to show Oskars true feelings. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350004985 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005000 ELIC: Trin bringing up the character change in Oscar really highlights the loss of character throughout the story. He once was a joyful kid, who spent so much time with his father, which is why once his father died, it took a toll on him. After his father's death, he changed. He would be short to his mom, and not want to open up about anything. This conveys a concept of loss because if the author didn't highlight oscar's feelings, then the reader wouldn't be able to make the conclusion that he has changed.]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:15 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005000 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005012 ELIC
The loss in this story is huge and the whole plot is based around it. I agree with trinity on how oskar brusies himself because of the loss of his dad and when he screws up. Hes also a lost character on a standards of knowing who he is as a person because hes too into trying to find conclusion in his fathers dealth. Theres also loss with oskar and his mom. Their relationship kinda falls thoeugh because of his moms friend, he thinks that his mom doesnt miss his dad and that she could careless that he died. This is not the case in anyway however thats how he preceves it. Loss is also shown in the grandmas life, her family, love, and more. Its also shown thorugh the grandfather because of his loss of communication with others. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:16 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005012 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005023 I agree with Dylan how when he's close to his dad like his belongings, it made him comfortable and happy but whenever he's alone or away from things that relate to him, he feels lost and sad so he kind of relies on his dad because he was such an important figure in his life. Losing his dad meant losing a piece of himself so his dad is obviously loss in his life and that affected him so much.]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005023 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005187 ELIC

I agree with Trin and Justin because they state that Oskar has lost his character throughout the book. In the beginning when Oskar's dad was alive he was a relatively happy kid and he has flashbacks of happy times with his dad. Later in the novel after Oskar's dad has died he cries himself to sleep and is still grieving years after his dad had died. This reveals that the loss of his dad's death created a loss in Oskar himself. His dad was someone that was irreplaceable to him and since he died Oskar has lost a piece of happiness he will never be able to get back since it was special times with his dad that brought him certain happiness.]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005187 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005358 I agree with the point that Trinity and Justin brought up that throughout the book, Oskar experienced loss of character. I feel that this was due to him losing his Dad but also feeling like he doesn't have anyone that he was as close to as his Dad so he most likely felt like he was alone which could have contributed to loss of character.]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:57 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005358 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005367 I liked the idea of Trinity's lyrics. It really relates to Oskar due to the fact that he lost his dad, but can never replace him. Like the whole group said, he uses things to help him cope/distract him from his dad's death. He uses the mission of finding the lock, his clothes, and his memories to build the image of his dad. He tries to get close to his dad by reflecting of him and be the man of the family. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:01:58 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005367 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005511 To build off of Trin's outside relationship because it shows how Oskar will never be the same, due to not being able to bring him back. It also shows how he will not be able to bring him back from the dead. I also agree with Johnny because Oskar does a lot of things that resemble his dad such as being in his shoes. And he is trying to fill those shoes of his father by taking the role as the man of the family (just as how his father had done). To build off what Trin said it shows how he changed so much after his dad passed, because of the bruises and how he views the world. He never viewed the world as he did, he would think that when his dad was around that he was protected. And now that he's gone, he is scared of many things, such as tall buildings and public transportation. Shows how he lost his character and his innocence, as he has to mature faster to realize how the real world is after the attacks...he must like be careful and show more affection towards his loved ones because no-one will ever know when its the last time.]]> 2019-04-09 16:02:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005511 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005557 I agree with Trinity because I feel like it is a loss of character but more so a loss of childhood. This is because he was always in a panicked state and he couldn't sleep at night. Other kids typically don't have to deal with the guilt and trauma of losing a loved one and the maturity that he has gained and the care free lifestyle he has lost, he will never gain back. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:02:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005557 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005589 ELIC
I agree with Alex because Oskar did lose his loss of personality in a way after his dad died. Oskar was happy before his dad died but after he feels sad.The author does well in the aspect of portraying characterization change. By doing this, the reader is able to understand the book better and know why he does some of his actions.]]> 2019-04-09 16:02:22 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005589 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005675 I agree with alex. Oskar lost his happiness, his childhood, his sense of belonging all with the death of his dad in 9/11. It is heavily damaging Oskar's life and his mental state. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:02:34 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005675 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005701 I can see that the death of Oskar's dad as had the effect on him where he grieves and that it had a big affect on him because he grew trauma to stuff like the phone, those middle east people, and etc, but the bruising, was not really from his dad but from whenever something negative happens.]]> 2019-04-09 16:02:36 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005701 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005843 i agree with alex's thoughts on syntax. the sentences are very long and thought out and he is always thinking about his dad. they are very detailed which shows how he is missing him.]]> 2019-04-09 16:02:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005843 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005962 i agree with what trin said, oskar couldnt ever get his dad back but he has things that remind him of his father and he can do things that remind him of him.]]> 2019-04-09 16:03:04 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350005962 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350006417 i agree with alex b/c oskar did lose alot of his charecter at a young age after his fathers death. oskar very much so looked up to his father it is shown by his actions such as just the thoughts of his father being in the coffin or or his cloths or his smell are things he holds on to cope with the affect his death has had on him]]> 2019-04-09 16:03:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350006417 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350006837 I agree with what Alex was saying about how the syntax contributed to the readers understanding the loss that occurred in this book. The author used long sentences to portray that loss isn't quick and easy and that it isn't something that is just a quick and easy fix. Loss is something that takes a long time to get through and the process of it is very long which the author portrays through the longer sentences that he used. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:04:41 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350006837 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007232 I like johnny's relation of oskars search for his father. oskar is such a young child that he doesnt see he cannot be his father, and he cannot fill the hole he left, he can only learn to live with it. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:05:29 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007232 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007322 I agree with Justin in the sense that he tries to fill the responsibilities that his father held before he died. This attributes to a loss of innocence because he is losing his time as a child to be carefree and lean upon your parents. The extra responsibilities is burdensome and especially tough for an adolescent that recently lost his father who was his role model.]]> 2019-04-09 16:05:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007322 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007446 I agree with Alex because he mentioned how Oskar copes with things differently than other people like his mother. When he broke the vase, he was in distraught. His mother was laughing]]> 2019-04-09 16:05:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007446 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007721 oskar at such a young age to trying to do too many things and he gets overwhemled with everything he cant do everything on this own.]]> 2019-04-09 16:06:23 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007721 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007789 i agree with alex that people cope with death different. his mom is trying to forget about it and oskar is trying to live out his life for him and continue his legacy. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:06:30 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350007789 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008011 I agree with what Dylan was saying with the diction of the story. The diction that the author used helped to convey that since Oskar was so young when he experienced loss, he was not sure how to cope with the loss and he wasn't sure what to do because he would always go to his Dad when he needed something but now that his Dad is gone, he doesn't have that adult figure in his life to guide him through the hard things in his life. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:06:56 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008011 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008257 (ELIC) I think that loss is often shown in a negative light. Although it does have many negative aspects, the character of Oskar greatly exemplifies how it may also bring about positive changes. The fact that Oskar endures this great loss at a young age made him a bigger better and more open person once he eventually coped with it; and even through/during his coping process.

]]> 2019-04-09 16:07:21 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008257 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008458 I liked Alex's example of showing how Oskar and his mom are differently coping with their loss. Oskar is frustrated and angry while his mom tries to fulfill  her happiness. It shows that coping can be seen negatively, but it proves the multitudes of handling loss.]]> 2019-04-09 16:07:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008458 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008628 I liked what alex said because they do cope with the death of his father and that Oskar deals with it differently than his mother. Oskar acts as that he doesnt move on but moving on his how his mother deals with the death.]]> 2019-04-09 16:08:01 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008628 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008689 The idea of different types of coping. Oskar searches for an answer, his mom tries to find happiness again. This relates to how different relationships with people equates to different ways to handle these situations. ]]> 2019-04-09 16:08:07 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008689 https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008820 I agree with alex on how different people deal with coping methods in many ways and it is part of the reason why oskar and his mom drifted as much as they did]]> 2019-04-09 16:08:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jkeys6/PERIOD6/wish/350008820