Remake of Hatshepsut vs. Ramses II by Kim Hoffman https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4 One person can influence a culture. en-us 2018-10-29 17:43:02 UTC 2025-06-30 18:49:09 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Balance.png Hatshepsut https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188003 I agree with Eleni and Lainie that Hatshepsut influenced female leaders after Hatshepsut, and she continues to influence current female leaders.]]> 2018-10-29 18:05:57 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188003 Ramses https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188037 Ruled for a longer time so he had a bigger impact.
Created first known peace treaty
Paved the way for Egypt in terms of military because he tried something new and it worked well
Created more monuments and statues than any other pharaoh 
After Ramses' death it was difficult for Egypt to grow strong again and it signified the end of the New Kingdom]]> 2018-10-29 18:05:59 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188037 hapshetsut https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188150 hapshetsut influenced future female leaders ]]> 2018-10-29 18:06:10 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188150 Hapshetsut and Ramses ll https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188153 I agree with Erin, having a woman as a pharoh is a turning point for Egypt, especially with her trading goods, I think that turned a new corner for Egypt in terms of being aware of her surroundings. Ramses dieing shows that he wasn't worried of how the country would react when he leaves so the country is not so dependant of the pharoh because if Egypt is too dependant or like leaning on the pharoh then that just erases what the pharoh has created so is ramses that good of a pharoh?]]> 2018-10-29 18:06:10 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188153 counter argument historyjam87 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188218 good counter, Erin]]> 2018-10-29 18:06:17 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188218 ramses https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188434 he outruled many people who were gonna be pharohs ]]> 2018-10-29 18:06:34 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188434 Hatshepsut was able to bring back money, riches, gold https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188509 2018-10-29 18:06:39 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188509 aylin https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188553 Nice aylin didn't even think about his death]]> 2018-10-29 18:06:43 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188553 Hatshepsut https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188680 She made advancements in gender equality through proving that a woman pharaoh can be just as successful as a male pharaoh.
Against the argument that she was a last resort, she proved that she was worthy of ruling Egypt on her own. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:06:54 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188680 Ramses https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188759 Aylin made a good point that just because she was a female that does not mean she had a bigger impact]]> 2018-10-29 18:07:01 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298188759 Erin made a good point for the first peace treaty and helping evolve egypt https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298189291 2018-10-29 18:07:44 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298189291 Erin https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298189357 I agree with you that trade expands and improves cultures and that was super important during the time of Hatshepsut and Ramses.]]> 2018-10-29 18:07:50 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298189357 Hatshepsut https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298189438 She remodeled the Temple at Karnak

]]> 2018-10-29 18:07:59 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298189438 Hatshepsut remodeled the Temple at Karnak too https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190011 2018-10-29 18:08:50 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190011 Samiyah https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190204 i agree with the preparing with Hatshesut]]> 2018-10-29 18:09:06 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190204 Bella https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190712 Bella makes a good point- i agree that his success was powerful and that Egypt relied on him ]]> 2018-10-29 18:09:49 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190712 I agree with how H was a good leader that prepared Egypt https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190841 2018-10-29 18:10:02 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298190841 bella https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298191300 i agree with bella and how the monuments mean a lot

]]> 2018-10-29 18:10:37 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298191300 Ramses II https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298191913 Egypt devolved into chaos not because he didn't prepare them but because their was a power struggle that couldn't have predicted, and the people of Egypt were mourning the loss of an excellent leader. Hatshepsut didn't so much prepare her people as they didn't react as much to her death because her step-son took over immediately and she didn't rule for that long.]]> 2018-10-29 18:11:26 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298191913 Hatshepsut https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192073 She made such a big impact that even after her step son tried to erase her from existence and tried to make everyone forget about her they still found out alot about her]]> 2018-10-29 18:11:38 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192073 Sofia https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192124 I agree, she paved the way for other women]]> 2018-10-29 18:11:43 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192124 Hatshepsut https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192277 I agree with Elaina about all the monuments built for her, proving her worth and impact]]> 2018-10-29 18:11:59 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192277 Ramses II is awesome because... https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192517 Created first peace treaty
Did a lot in terms of military power
Death signified the end of the golden age and the New Kingdom
He built a lot of great monuments for himself
His peace treaty with the Hittites lasted more than 100 years 
Kept his empire strong and powerful

]]> 2018-10-29 18:12:23 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192517 Abu Simbel historyjam87 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192683 2018-10-29 18:12:36 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192683 Ramses https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192736 It's easy to say he didn't prepare his people because there was chaos when he died, but in reality, it was probably devastation as opposed to chaos. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:12:40 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298192736 ramses https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193305 for the ramses side someone needs to mention how egypt was in the golden age
during his reign]]> 2018-10-29 18:13:31 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193305 Ramses https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193313 2018-10-29 18:13:32 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193313 grayson https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193364 i agree with grayson becuase it wasnt her fault that she died and that she made a huge impact

]]> 2018-10-29 18:13:36 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193364 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193744 2018-10-29 18:14:11 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193744 H https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193752 i think that it is important to note that even though H wasn't alive as long as R, she was able to create a long-lasting impact and explored places that haven't been seen before like trading with Punt and going to East Africa]]> 2018-10-29 18:14:12 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193752 H https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193861 Lucy made a good point on how they found gold, showing that H helped Egypt's wealth

]]> 2018-10-29 18:14:22 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193861 Lucy https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193981

]]> 2018-10-29 18:14:31 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298193981 Lucy https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298194087 I agree with Lucy that her expeditions when she discovered new resources were very important to the Egyptian culture. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:14:41 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298194087 Hatsheput believed and was so confident in her being abe to take reign as a pharoh that she dressed like a man to gain respect. https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298194181 2018-10-29 18:14:49 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298194181 Caroline https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298194550 I agree with Caroline about how important Ramses II alliances' were. They were formed to help countries in times of need. Alliances are still made today between countries and continue to help countries in times of need.]]> 2018-10-29 18:15:25 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298194550 Ramses II https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195042 I don't think there's any evidence of Hatshepsut respecting the independence of her people]]> 2018-10-29 18:16:09 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195042 i agree with hannah how she said that Ramses died and then they relied on him so much and helped them and everyone was straggling to figure everything out becuase he wasnt there to keep everyone in line https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195174 2018-10-29 18:16:20 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195174 I agree with Hannah how Hatshepsut was kind of like a last resort https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195580 2018-10-29 18:16:55 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195580 nicole https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195816 i disagree with nicole when she said that Hatshesut was less of a pharoh becuase she was a helper but she was a pharoah]]> 2018-10-29 18:17:16 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298195816 I disagree with Eleni about how she said the supposed murderer just tried to cover her rule up. I think he did that because he could have been next in line to be the pharaoh​, so he could have done it to get into power more quickly. https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196095 2018-10-29 18:17:41 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196095 i disagree with samiyah how her husband predicted that she wanted power so her greed would affect how she ran things and that was why she was killed because she really wanted the crown and then her son maybe got tired of it and killed her so he could rightfully get his crown https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196315 2018-10-29 18:18:05 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196315 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196447 i disagree with Nicole, he did not prepare his kingdom for his death which caused his kingdom to go into chaos. Hatshepsut created independence in their kingdom. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:18:20 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196447 Nicole https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196832 I agree with Nicole, Ramses II did prepare his kingdom. He strengthened the army, made a peace treaty, and formed alliances.]]> 2018-10-29 18:18:55 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298196832 samiyah https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198403 i agree that Hatshesut was the helper to the throne and she was a pharoah until later]]> 2018-10-29 18:21:25 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198403 Isabel & Courtney https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198438 I agree with what they said about how Hatshepsut brought wealth to Egypt because of her expeditions hat brought in new resources. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:21:28 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198438 H https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198560 I agree with Isabelle that H helped Egypt become more wealthy ]]> 2018-10-29 18:21:40 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198560 Ramses II https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198607 I think Hatshepsut did have to work to be recognized, but that doesn't prove that she was a greater leader than Ramses II, who you could argue went above and beyond the success of the pharaohs before him. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:21:46 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198607 Samiyah https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198793 She was not really a co-leader]]> 2018-10-29 18:22:05 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298198793 social class historyjam87 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199000 Erin bringing in the idea of female power in ancient Egypt - 


]]> 2018-10-29 18:22:21 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199000 Hatshepsut was Egypts ruler she did npot have to prove herself or work so much harder to make a name for herself all pharohs rebuilt things and she was just being your average pharoh she may have made a change but it was not a momentus change. https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199069 2018-10-29 18:22:26 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199069 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199105 2018-10-29 18:22:30 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199105 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199143 2018-10-29 18:22:33 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199143 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199158 I think Erin made a good point that women were not 100% equal but they still had power]]> 2018-10-29 18:22:35 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199158 erin https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199184 i agree with erin becuase she wasn't excepted as a pharoah for a while.]]> 2018-10-29 18:22:36 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199184 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199242 2018-10-29 18:22:40 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199242 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199248 2018-10-29 18:22:41 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199248 Chase https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199464 I agree that she helped Egypt with trade, but I am confused about what she meant by make them more aware if their surroundings.]]> 2018-10-29 18:23:00 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199464 Ramses II https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199607 Ramses did prepare his kingdom very well by helping military power become stronger, he also formed peace treaties, and formed alliances]]> 2018-10-29 18:23:14 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199607 Chase https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199718 I agree with Chase that she all together improved Egypt by boosting the economy and bringing in new materials and goods. ]]> 2018-10-29 18:23:25 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199718 Golden Age historyjam87 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199757 true true true Chase


]]> 2018-10-29 18:23:28 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298199757 i agree with Sam about having to work harder. Her people wouldn't respect her as much as a woman. https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298200299 2018-10-29 18:24:11 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298200299 Erin https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298200481 2018-10-29 18:24:30 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298200481 https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298200494 I think Sam made a very good point in how H had to dress in a different way to gain respect]]> 2018-10-29 18:24:31 UTC https://padlet.com/historyjam87/u1o8z4fb4km4/wish/298200494