Debate Activity by Ashley https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw Session 8 Seminar en-us 2016-06-23 15:22:58 UTC 2025-12-06 13:44:30 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Apple.png Yes, teachers SHOULD be able to sell their lesson plans without compensation to the institution. flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115332507 2016-06-23 15:42:50 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115332507 No, teachers SHOULD NOT be able to sell their lesson plans/classroom resources without compensation to the institution flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115333358 2016-06-23 15:55:38 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115333358 TASK 1 flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339109 Please read the articles provided to you here, and respond to at least one or both sides of the debate.
Should teachers have the right to sell their lesson plans without compensation provided to the institution?
Keep in mind the question of intellectual property ownership; who owns these materials, the faculty, or the administration?]]> 2016-06-23 17:31:26 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339109 flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339218 2016-06-23 17:33:03 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339218 flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339314 2016-06-23 17:34:07 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339314 flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339399 2016-06-23 17:35:03 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339399 flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339754 2016-06-23 17:40:38 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115339754 Ron Simcoe ron_simcoe_uoit https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115605538 I believe teachers should be able to sell their lesson plans if they were created in their own time and using their own resources. I don't necessarily agree with it but I believe it is their right. As I wrote in the first activity, under the language of the Canadian Copyright Act, work made in the course of employment fall to the employer (Copyright Act). However, there has long been an academic exception for academics that gives them first copyright (Triggs, 2005). Academic institutions have typically avoided taking educators to court over the copyright of learning materials but with the advent of technology and the establishment of a real monetary value on the content (Jones, 2010), legal disputes are going to increase (Triggs, 2005). In light of this what needs to happen, and in many cases it already has, is language in the contract of employment that dictates the educators rights to any content, created in their own time and during their working hours.
Hu's article brings up the question of ethics, does it cheapen the position? Why aren't we asking about the conflict of interest of many faculty who publish texts and make them mandatory for their class? I think that's a far greater issue and it puts the students in the front and center of the debate where I don't think are in question of learning materials.

Copyright Act. R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42: Retrieved from http://laws‑lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-42/

Hu, W. (2009). Selling Lesson Plans Online, Teachers Raise Cash and Questions. The New York Times A, 1.

Jones, B. J. (2010). Stake Your Claim: What’s at Stake in the Ownership of Lesson Plans? Conference on College Composition & Communication

Triggs, S. (2005). Academic Freedom, Copyright and the Academic Exception. Workplace: A Journal for Academic Labor. Retrieved from http://ices.library.ubc.ca/index.php/workplace/article/view/182188/182196 



]]> 2016-06-28 16:50:59 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115605538 Alysha Doria  alysha_doria https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115630743 I do think that teachers should be able to sell their lesson plans online to other teachers, and must agree with Ron that I think it should be only if they have developed the lesson on their own time.
Rotherham (2012) makes mention to it being about a collaboration of ideas among teachers and that lesson plans are teachers "tools". He goes on to state that if you give someone a better hammer, they will do a better job (Rotherham, 2012). I think his point is that with all the negative reactions about it diminishing a teacher's role, or makes the teacher less engaged, there could be a flip side.If they are buying better lesson plans, then they teach better lessons. Just because teachers are purchasing from other teachers does not mean they are bad teachers. It could mean that they have hit a road block in what is effective to their students, or their students are lacking engagement, or they are looking to brighten up their class and can fill in the knowledge gaps (Jones, 2010).
Ultimately, if buying the lesson plan from another teacher and the implementation of that lesson is in the best interest of the student and all students are learning more effectively, I say go for it. I feel they are the ones who suffer in the debate, and they are the ones that could potentially miss out on well developed plans, handouts, quizzes and assignments.


Jones, B. J. (2010). Stake Your Claim: What’s at Stake in the Ownership of Lesson Plans? Conference on College Comp & Comm

Rotherham, A.J. (2012). Should teachers be allowed to sell their lesson plans? Time. Retrieved from http://ideas.time.com/2012/09/20/should-teachers-be-allowed-to-sell-their-lesson-plans/


]]> 2016-06-29 00:24:30 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115630743 Philip Raby phil_raby https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115678603 Teachers should be able to sell their lesson plans provided they are the sole creator or the other parties to the creation (such as another teacher, support staff or the institution) have also consented to it. As Triggs (2005) and Kranch (2009) note, the academic exception is well supported in law and in practice and should remain to respect the intellectual property rights of teachers.

However, as a college instructor who is well paid for his work, I would not personally feel right selling or charging others for my lessons plans as long as the material was being delivered free of charge. If someone is buying the content to resell then perhaps that would be different, but if the material is being reused to share knowledge freely then I would be okay with that in this era of MOOCs and other open learning models.

Kranch, D. (2009). Who owns online course intellectual property? Quarterly Review of Distance Education, 9(4), 349-356

Triggs, C. (2005). Academic Freedom, Copyright and the Academic Exception. Workplace, 7(1), 60-79.]]> 2016-06-29 14:54:04 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115678603 Ashley Wannamaker flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115693081 Ron, you bring up a great point about teachers creating textbooks and making them mandatory for their courses. Students are much more greatly affected by that.
The article also notes that lesson plans being sold may even benefit classrooms because they are tested and have been formulated to work in different environments, which could enhance and improve a student's learning experience.]]> 2016-06-29 18:31:41 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115693081 Response to Alysha flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115693260 Excellent points made, Alysha. Sometimes we do find it difficult to teach a topic, or might find something to teach in a new way that really engages our students and these websites provide those tools for us to use.]]> 2016-06-29 18:34:29 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115693260 Michelle TK michellerivers2 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115693745 Just for the purpose of a debate, I am going to say NO (even though I think yes...).
Teachers, who are under contract and given "prep" time or hours under their contract should not be allowed to sell their lesson plans, tests, assignments, etc. to the public without compensating the institution.  When the institution hires a faculty member, if the faculty member is contracted to that institution, any classroom materials created should be owned by the institution because the faculty is being paid for the time to work on these plans.
Many institutions are trying to be on the cutting edge of research, teaching and learning; if faculty are selling their lessons, then the courses being taught are no longer unique; this also addresses the idea of using their plans at other institutions as well.  As noted by The Association of American Universities (cited in Kranch, 2008), universities should own the intellectual property that is created at the university by faculty, research staff and scientists because they used the university resources and funding to create their work.  The idea here is the faculty are being hired for their ideas, whereby the university is essentially paying their salary for these ideas that should not be reproduced elsewhere.


Kranch, D. (2009). Who owns online course intellectual property?Quarterly Review of Distance Education, 9(4), 349-356

]]> 2016-06-29 18:44:35 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115693745 Jessica Lederman  https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115746154 I have to say that there are strong arguments for both sides of the debate.

PRO: Like Ron, I believe that if teachers create their own materials on their own time, then they should have the freedom to share or sell those lessons as they see fit.  What they do with the profits of these sales should be up to the teacher.  There are so many free resources available online to teachers if they do not want to pay for lessons, but having the option to purchase a tried-and-true lesson from an experienced teacher can only benefit the purchaser and his/her students.

CON: Of course, if an instructor was hired by an institution to specifically develop course materials, the copyright for that work (created with the institution's resources and funding) should  belong to the institution. The academic exception to section 13(3) of Canada's Copyright Act allows academics more freedom than their K-12  and college counterparts to have first copyright of the materials and research they create at a university.  However, most universities already have policies in place to protect their investments with specific mention of profit sharing of commercialized works.

Copyright Act. R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42: Retrieved from http://laws‑lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-42/

Hu, W. (2009). Selling Lesson Plans Online, Teachers Raise Cash and Questions. The New York Times A, 1. 

Jones, B. J. (2010). Stake Your Claim: What’s at Stake in the Ownership of Lesson Plans? Conference on College Composition & Communication

Kranch, D. (2009). Who owns online course intellectual property?Quarterly Review of Distance Education, 9(4), 349-356

Triggs, S. (2005). Academic Freedom, Copyright and the Academic Exception. Workplace: A Journal for Academic Labor. Retrieved fromhttp://ices.library.ubc.ca/index.php/workplace/article/view/182188/182196 
]]> 2016-06-30 12:46:14 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115746154 Response flieler6 https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115812869 Jessica and Michelle, you both provide really interesting perspectives to the CON side, or the belief that teachers shouldn't sell their lesson plans. 
According to the academic exception, the institution is the owner of your material that you create during your time at the college. I think that it becomes hard to say that no I don't own this material when I've worked to develop and create it and I cannot sell it. We often don't really think of why the institution would want ownership over those materials, or what the rights to innovative, creative and engaging lessons, rubrics, resources, etc. Great comments!

]]> 2016-07-01 12:54:14 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115812869 Sharon Sonnilal https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115845202 Kranch (2009) states that institutions should incorporate a contract or clause or “formal written policy”. to protect the material created by the institution and the developer. In this written policy, the institution can identity the monetary means and develop rights for both themselves and the developer. so if this was to land in a court system the contractual law would be upholding.
I believe that teachers should have the right to sell their material. Ensuring that they give credit to the person that they reference.

Response:
Ron , is correct. It is common practice that teachers have developed books for courses based on a course they taught in the past to help other.
In Nursing school the universities develop study booklets and sell them to students. would that mean they shouldn't do this?


 Kranch, D. (2009). Who owns online course intellectual property? Quarterly Review of Distance Education, 9(4), 349-356]]> 2016-07-02 20:03:05 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115845202 Joe Countryman https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115847953 Teachers should absolutely not be able to ]]> 2016-07-03 00:27:49 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115847953 (Tyler) https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115848866 Faculty members, in traditional classes, should have the right to sell their resources without profit to their institution because they are created them with “university resources, facilities, or materials of the sort traditionally and commonly made available to faculty members”  (AAUP, n.d., p. 3).  In addition, many faculty members work much harder on their lesson plans and other resources than they feel they are paid for and should be compensated fairly by being able to sell them online. 

]]> 2016-07-03 02:20:02 UTC https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115848866 James Elsdon jameselsdon https://padlet.com/flieler6/tqg4jhkd4lpw/wish/115861159 When I think about whether or not teachers should be able to sell their lesson plans I first stop and ask myself ‘should teachers be allowed to give away their lesson plans’. Are teachers legally allowed to give away their lesson plans? If they are allowed to give away their lesson plans, why would they not be allowed to sell them? If they can give them away then it says that they have the authority to grant re-use permission to others. If they are able to grant re-use permission to others for free they should be able to grant it at a small fee as well. That is my logic. Whether or not they should be able to sell something is contingent upon whether or not they are able to give it away. Same goes for MOOcs, etc—if they are able to give them away, they should be able to sell them. I personally have given away, to some person or another, every single lesson I have ever created. I do believe I am allowed to give them away, or sell them if I wanted to. I created them, at home, on my own computer. If I were to create a program at home in a programing language on my own computer, I would be allowed to sell that, so because of this, and following this logic, yes I believe teachers should be able to sell their lessons. 

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