DOK or 4 Cs? by Michelle Phillips https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66 Which is more important? en-us 2017-02-07 18:16:29 UTC 2022-09-02 13:38:28 UTC hello@padlet.com Understanding and implementing the 4 C's is more important that the DOK as they are more what rule the world as the students move towards adulthood. Everything they do in the work force, personal time, or even their family life is based off of appropriate communication, working together (collaboration), thinking critically about issues/problems, and coming up with a solution that is based on their particular likes and needs. This is what being a grown-up is all about, and it is established and practiced within the school education system (or should be) so that all can do it as they age. 😊 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1593541318 -K.Baudendistel]]> 2021-06-08 17:18:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1593541318 I believe the 4C's are more important than DOK. I do think DOK has its time and place. In the section on 4C's, the suggestion is given to let students Google answers on tests. While this is great because students can do this in life, students will not be able to do this on standardized tests. Therefore the first level of DOK definitely has an important place. But, ultimately I believe the 4C's are more important because they are what will have the most long lasting impact on students. Collaboration and Problem Solving (not one of the 4C's but can fall into the categories) are huge for students. It is something that employers will be looking for in potential employees. If our ultimate goal is to teach students the skills to be successful in life and to help better the future for everyone, being able to regurgitate information that can easily be found using Google is not what we need to focus on teaching our students. kkgraves https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1597808466 -K. Graves]]> 2021-06-10 06:11:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1597808466 I can't decide and here is why... larichmond1_1 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1607335676 The 4C's are critical in preparing our students for the future, and with problem solving being the most important skill that businesses need to see, this is where DOK comes in. My upper elementary classroom is routinely in DOK 3 & 4, and this is where their productive collaboration, communication, critical thinking, and creativity come out. It allows for the deeper dives and the transfer of learning that are imperative in solving problems. Therefore, I don't think you can have one without the other.]]> 2021-06-15 11:50:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1607335676 I see many aspects of both represented so I feel they are equally as important. Collaboration, ability to think for themselves and the transfer of knowledge which shows up in their creativity when they show their learning area all vitally important! Whenever they have the freedom or ability of choice, to learn from one another and show it in their answers, that is where the learning begins. ambusbee1_1 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1608031242 2021-06-15 16:47:12 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1608031242 krwilson12 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1633830061 I believe that DOK and the 4 Cs are equally important in education and a teacher's approach to student success. Since "students can see their own learning progress by applying the DOK process," it is vital to our students' understanding and overall success (p. 62). Additionally, preparing students to think critically and communicate effectively is equally important in order for our students to thrive. These skills will help our students in life tremendously. This is why I cannot choose between the two, as I find them both to be extremely vital. ]]> 2021-07-01 19:30:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1633830061 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1639523814 I believe that there is overlap between the two.  You could argue that when are looking at Critical Thinking we could be layering it and growing in complexity.  That could be said with Collaboration as well.  We start easy and gradually increase the depth that we would like to go with that particular skill.  I strongly believe that they go hand in hand in regards to needing to apply both in the classroom. 

Sharon Sovereign

]]> 2021-07-07 01:26:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1639523814 lbweger https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1646052556 The 4Cs and DOK are both very important in the classroom. As a special education teacher, my students struggle with the higher order questioning and critical thinking the most. Taking the focus away from either one of these things does a disservice to my students. I believe a good educator would be incorporating both into their daily planning and instruction. ]]> 2021-07-12 15:08:45 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1646052556 cbmcchesney https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1648070796 I feel that both DOK and the 4 Cs is important for teachers to know and understand. The 4 Cs is something that students will certainly use for their entire life, and it is something that teachers can weave into their lessons to help students learn how to do effectively. I love the chart on page 28 that shows what skills the business community finds important. I tell my students often that they must learn to communicate and collaborate with each other (even when they don't want to) because that is a real life skill! DOK is also important to understand so that teachers are making sure that their lessons have some depth and challenge and not just all level one.

-Callie McChesney]]> 2021-07-13 19:54:59 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1648070796 Both are equally as important... lbglenn1_1 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1656259722 The DoK levels and 4Cs go hand in hand. I feel that the 4Cs cannot be effectively applied without a strong understanding of the DoK levels. The deeper and more complex we go with these skills and concepts will enhance the 4Cs to a more creative level. Because our learners are Gen Z, and learn differently at various engagement levels, the 4Cs are imperative for them for critical thinking and problem solving.]]> 2021-07-20 20:18:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1656259722 Both are necessary mepeiffer https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1665923376 For me, it would be difficult to choose between DoK and the 4C's as to which is better. If you really take a look, they essentially intertwine together as one supports the other. Utilizing them together helps us be able to connect with our students on a more individual level. Just like we have tests that help us know how we learn, or what type of leader we are, the DoK and 4C's give us the ability to truly understand where our students excel and areas they need our support. ]]> 2021-08-01 13:52:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1665923376 I think that both are equally important. Instead of thinking about one or the other, I want to think about how we could use both to enhance our students learning and deepen their thinking. https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1671347963 2021-08-06 20:28:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1671347963 I think that both are equally important. Instead of thinking about one or the other, I want to think about how we could use both to enhance our students learning and deepen their thinking. brhensley https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1671348622
I reposted because it had me as anonymous.]]> 2021-08-06 20:29:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1671348622 kmsmith44_1 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1876869635 I'm leading more towards the 4Cs. There's a conversation that keeps playing through my mind that my husband told me. When he met with Google, one thing Google told him was that they have trouble finding people who can successfully collaborate. They can find the talented, the educated, and gifted people. But they can't seem to find people who can collaborate. And that, is why I think the 4Cs is so important in the classroom. ]]> 2021-11-09 01:49:20 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/1876869635 I feel that the 4C's are built upon a good understanding of the DOK levels. It is hard and not really as advantageous as possible to separate the two. https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2082648879 2022-03-07 22:33:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2082648879 I feel that the 4C's are built upon a good understanding of the DOK levels. It is hard and not really as advantageous as possible to separate the two. mapatterson3 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2082660205 2022-03-07 22:45:55 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2082660205 Something about the 4 Cs stick out to me more. I feel like all 4 of them hit on what we need the students to do daily to be successful. blrobinson2 https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2105266393 2022-03-21 13:11:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2105266393 The 4C's are Extremely Important in the Workforce https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2119351780 I think the 4c's are more important. I've been in CTE for the last 5 years where we work very closely with our industry leaders. One thing they keep saying over and over is that the ability to collaborate and effectively communicate are some of the major issues in the newest members of our workforce. This is a hinderance as many companies want to hire employees that can think on their own and communicate their ideas effectively. ]]> 2022-03-29 13:30:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2119351780 DOK https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2240508399 Hanna Carter - I think having a clear understanding of DOKs is more important for teachers because it allows teachers to zone in on the exact kind of learning and project development they are expecting. Like in the chapter, often times teachers believe they are questioning at a deep level, only to find out that they are really only operating at a Level 2. I believe there is a time and a place for each level of DOK to exist, but we should be encouraging our students to push beyond Level 1 at a more consistent level. Yes, students may be able to correctly fill in a worksheet - but how deep is that learning going and how long will the learning last? If students are collaborating, that will ensure a deeper level of understanding, and if they are having to apply the knowledge to the outside world, that creates an even longer time of remembering the content.]]> 2022-07-10 19:40:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2240508399 Carrie Honaker cmhonaker https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2241949871  I believe the 4cs are more important. They are clearly defined in a short, compact way of thinking about how we can utilize the various tools we use throughout our day. We are able to see clearly how a particular tool, example: Google Docs, can be used to touch both collaboration and critical thinking. ]]> 2022-07-12 15:37:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2241949871 Both are important https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2280726675 I believe both of these are equally important. It is a matter of educators choosing how to implement each one to help their students not just be successful in class but be successful in life. ]]> 2022-09-02 13:34:08 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2280726675 4 C's https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2280731326 My personal belief is that the 4 C's are more important. Yes, DOK can be used as a stepping stone, but the 4 C's are more applicable to the real world. It is extremely important for students to be able to communicate and collaborate on a personal and professional level. With collaborating, I think a person's critical thinking skills and creativity can be pushed to a higher level.]]> 2022-09-02 13:38:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mlphillips/tfnuyfefnc66/wish/2280731326