https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p Socratic Seminar: Comparative Rhetorical Analysis Through Discussion Focus: Letter to my Nephew by James Baldwin & Between the World and Me by Ta Nehisi Coates en-us 2018-10-31 16:18:46 UTC 2024-06-09 00:18:12 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Thunder.png acampbell55 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299064280 You will use this space to:
1) Tackle the big question: What central ideas does Coates and Baldwin communicate to their intended audience, and what are the similarities and differences in their delivery?!
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2) Respond to other Silent Contributors using accountable talk.
3) Respond silently to what was said inside the inner circle. 
**NOTE: You must "respond" using facilitation moves we discussed, and use evidence from the text whenever possible."]]> 2018-10-31 16:21:59 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299064280 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299487667 guys?]]> 2018-11-01 17:17:37 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299487667 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299487898 yeah]]> 2018-11-01 17:17:55 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299487898 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299487958 sup]]> 2018-11-01 17:18:01 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299487958 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299488004 Hi]]> 2018-11-01 17:18:05 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299488004 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299491112 What are the similarities between the two?]]> 2018-11-01 17:23:19 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299491112 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299491745 a similarity between the two is they both decided to address to young black males in their letters]]> 2018-11-01 17:24:26 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299491745 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299491897 Alright so I think that some similarities and differences that Baldwin and Coates have within their letters is that both authors each give their own perspective on navigating society as a person of colored, they both also talk to young black males who are in their family.]]> 2018-11-01 17:24:43 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299491897 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492047 What evidence do you have so far?]]> 2018-11-01 17:24:56 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492047 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492342 also, they both acknowledged that their audience was tough. (nephew and son)]]> 2018-11-01 17:25:25 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492342 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492597 Is there a reason they decided to talk to young black males?]]> 2018-11-01 17:25:50 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492597 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492925 What do you mean by "tough"? Please elaborate ]]> 2018-11-01 17:26:22 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299492925 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299493268 Some differences between the two is how they relayed their message, I think they decided to talk to young male because they know more about what it's like as a young black male then a young black female, he knows more about the problems and risks as a young black male.]]> 2018-11-01 17:27:00 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299493268 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299493887 I agree, theres a difference between how black women and black men face racism and discrimination in America.]]> 2018-11-01 17:27:58 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299493887 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299493946 my evidence... Baldwin, "with a very definite tendency to sound truculent because you want no one to think you are soft".... ]]> 2018-11-01 17:28:05 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299493946 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494372 Masculinity is a very key idea in Baldwin and Coates message.]]> 2018-11-01 17:28:45 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494372 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494482 a difference i noticed is what they were focused on]]> 2018-11-01 17:28:54 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494482 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494825 and how they expressed what they were focused on. ]]> 2018-11-01 17:29:36 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494825 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494866 Like tone]]> 2018-11-01 17:29:40 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299494866 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495202 Coates seemed to be focused on police brutality throughout his letter, Baldwin seemed to focus on his experience with people towards blacks ]]> 2018-11-01 17:30:16 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495202 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495213 Coates used an aggressive tone and Baldwin used a more forgiving tone ]]> 2018-11-01 17:30:16 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495213 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495365 Especially in Coates he says to his son "you are growing into conscious, and my wish for you is that you feel no need to constrict yourself to make other people comfortable"]]> 2018-11-01 17:30:29 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495365 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495648 i say baldwin uses a passive tone]]> 2018-11-01 17:30:58 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495648 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495797 Yeah Coates wanted his son to know how to navigate in this world as a black man]]> 2018-11-01 17:31:17 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495797 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495811 Coates an aggressive]]> 2018-11-01 17:31:19 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495811 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495954 Coastes says he didn't want to comfort his son while Baldwin did and this due to the timing that Baldwin just lost his close friends Malcolm-X and Martin Luther King]]> 2018-11-01 17:31:31 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299495954 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299496001 Yeah i agree]]> 2018-11-01 17:31:33 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299496001 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299496464 How has Coates experience with his parents influenced his relationship with his son?]]> 2018-11-01 17:32:17 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299496464 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497355 Because Coastes says how as a child he was raised in fear because that's how his parents raised him because they were scared for him and he doesn't want his son to be the same he wants him to be fearless.]]> 2018-11-01 17:33:34 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497355 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497360 Coates was disciplined by his parents so that they could protect him from the hate. ]]> 2018-11-01 17:33:34 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497360 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497571 Yeah thats powerful]]> 2018-11-01 17:33:51 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497571 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497975 a question a had in mind towards Baldwin was, towards the end of the letter, why did Baldwin decide to say that whites were only doing what they were taught (slavery), he says whites were traumatized and they needed to be forgiven.]]> 2018-11-01 17:34:31 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299497975 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299498016 "Either I can beat him, or the police"]]> 2018-11-01 17:34:34 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299498016 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499052 Because the message Baldwin wanted to get to his nephew was that to not live in hate towards the whit community and that he should show them forgiveness because they are stuck in their own ways.]]> 2018-11-01 17:36:18 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499052 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499092 old ways]]> 2018-11-01 17:36:22 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499092 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499316 I agree with you Adan.]]> 2018-11-01 17:36:46 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499316 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499341 I would say because he still wants to label them as "innocents" and that they only know hate]]> 2018-11-01 17:36:49 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499341 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499640 I agree with you Adan.]]> 2018-11-01 17:37:20 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499640 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499718 Baldwin calls the countrymen "innocents"]]> 2018-11-01 17:37:25 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499718 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499859 A question I also had about Baldwin's letter is that Baldwin states he ripped and tore and reworte his letter five times why is that?]]> 2018-11-01 17:37:39 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499859 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499979 I have a question for the both of you, do you think what Baldwin said was correct?]]> 2018-11-01 17:37:50 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299499979 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299500644 Can you clarify what you mean, do you mean that they should forgive these "countrymen"?]]> 2018-11-01 17:38:59 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299500644 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299500884 He wrote up his letter five times because he kept seeing his father and brother in his sons face. ]]> 2018-11-01 17:39:27 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299500884 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299501306 Countrymen as in white people. Baldwin doesnt say white or caucasian he calls them countrymen]]> 2018-11-01 17:40:08 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299501306 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299501957 Why do you think these author's wrote letters rather than face to face?]]> 2018-11-01 17:41:15 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299501957 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502238 great question.]]> 2018-11-01 17:41:44 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502238 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502667 maybe it was because the letters wasn't only for the nephew and son, they both spoke about black young males around america.]]> 2018-11-01 17:42:29 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502667 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502863 In their letters they use strategies such as repetition, alludes to the reader, and uses anecdotes.]]> 2018-11-01 17:42:51 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502863 adanurgiles353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502944 I agree]]> 2018-11-01 17:43:01 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502944 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502984 To me Baldwin understand that we cant fight fire with fire. He wants those who are being discriminated to fight in a nonviolent way which I definitely agree with. I do think he should also take into consideration that we shouldn't "forgive" them, that they should understand their wrong. ]]> 2018-11-01 17:43:05 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299502984 stephonstewart353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299503213 great conversation.]]> 2018-11-01 17:43:28 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299503213 vanessaleon353 https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299503374 Nice chat]]> 2018-11-01 17:43:46 UTC https://padlet.com/acampbell55/te5k92d5ce5p/wish/299503374