https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe en-us 2016-11-08 14:18:11 UTC 2016-11-08 19:41:17 UTC hello@padlet.com cadj0 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136093596
In this passage, Patroclus call Achilles' honor "his child" and reflect on the fact that when Achilles dies, his honor will be all he has left. At this point in the novel, Achilles has vowed to kill the Greeks if Agamemnon does not beg for mercy. Patroclus sees that they are in an impossible situation with no right answer. This passage is poignant because Achilles does have a child but has no relationship with him; honor is all he'll leave behind. I often think about the legacy that I and others will leave behind for my children. In the end, all you can do is act with kindness and hope that your children will learn to do likewise.]]> 2016-11-08 14:20:24 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136093596 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211133 "He only has to apologize, and I will heap the honors on him that he deserves. Truly it is unfortunate that one so young has so much pride"(300). 

Here Agamemnon is criticizing Achilles and he also describes how he feels towards Achilles. Agammemnon displays his anger towards Achilles after Agamemmnon finds out Achilles's plan with Briseis. Agamemmnon criticizes Achilles for his pride in himself.]]> 2016-11-08 19:15:10 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211133 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211227 "Zeus, the great balancer, will let go of his scales. He will make the Greeks lose and lose and lose, until they are crushed against the sea, anchors and ropes tangling their feet, masts, and prows splintering on their backs. And then they will see who they must beg for." (P. 298)

In this quote, Achilles is telling Patroclus what will happen to the Greeks without him. He had asked his mother to ask Zeus to make the Greeks lose every battle so they will come back to Achilles and beg for him to join them in battle. The wrath here is that Achilles is getting Zeus to make the Greeks lose their battles. Achilles is doing this because he is angry that Agamemnon insulted his honor and this is part of Achilles revenge.]]> 2016-11-08 19:15:25 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211227 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211948 "I am known for my honesty, for my kindheartedness. There is no reason to disbelieve me. He smiles." (293) In this passage Patroclus is saying that Agamemnon has no reason to not trust him because of the fact that he has never done anything that says otherwise. This is personal to me because when i was little i felt the same way when people never wanted to tell me secrets.

]]> 2016-11-08 19:17:35 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211948 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211965 "I do not speak. I can see the temper rising within him. It is like watching a storm come, when there is no shelter" (297).

This is about Achilles, when Agamemnon was being stubborn about his rule. Achilles was getting increasingly annoyed and he didn't want to fight under Agamemnon anymore.  I know that I've been annoyed/frustrated at people, I think everyone has. So, anger to this extent is problably somewhat familiar for everyone. ]]> 2016-11-08 19:17:39 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136211965 fofh200 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136212196 "The men will turn on you if you violate her, and the gods as well." (292)

This is an example of reason because Patroclus chose to tell Agamemnon that the men and gods will be upset with him if he violates Briseis which was Achilles' plan. Patroclus is trying to reason with Agamemnon]]> 2016-11-08 19:18:15 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136212196 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136212670
"What if he will not beg? I ask. Then he will die. They will all die. I will not fight until he does." (298)

Achilles was disrespected by Agamemnon. In this quote Achilles is saying that if Agamemnon does not beg Achilles for his forgiveness, that their army will be defeated and the wrath of the gods will be brought upon them. He is being rather stubborn in this quote, but I understand where the frustration is coming from.

]]> 2016-11-08 19:19:42 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136212670 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136212746
pg 295 "'her safety for my honor. are you happy with your trade?' 'there is no honor in betraying your friends.'"]]> 2016-11-08 19:19:54 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136212746 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136213491 "He is giving a show, I know, of grace, of tolerance, and my teeth clench at the calmness in his tone" (pg. 290). 

Achilles is showing how he might be reasoning in his head about how to appeal to the Trojans. He is being calm in order to appear more princely and sophisticated. ]]> 2016-11-08 19:22:10 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136213491 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136214277 "All the other kings march off with their armies to fight the trojans." (300)

It, literally means they are going to kill people. How much more of an example of wrath is that?]]> 2016-11-08 19:24:15 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136214277 https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136218234 "That you would speak against betrayal." 
(Pg. 295)

Here Achilles realized the irony in Patroclus' argument.  Patroclus betrayed his friend to stop Achilles from betraying his friend.]]> 2016-11-08 19:35:54 UTC https://padlet.com/cadj0/t3ptibflrvpe/wish/136218234