Then, give your opinion on if this nostalgic feeling is a positive or negative force in your life.

1) What is your own perspective on the benefits or drawbacks of nostalgia? Did your perspective change at all after reading your editorial and hearing the presentations?

2) Shout out a table # that you think did particularly well on the presentation. What specifically did they do well on the rubric?

"We were having this conversation on a fine summer eventing...You could see lots of aerials and satellite dishes, and sometimes, right over in the distance, a glistening line that was the sea" (pg 17).

This quote introduces a recurring theme of Kathy seeing some kind of boundary or "line" on the horizon. This represents how Kathy is trapped by her environment, but she doesn't even realize it -- she doesn't realize what freedom is or how to achieve it. The book will end with a kind of "line" in the distance as well.

Nostalgia could be sad but over all positive it makes your rember good times and want to find a way to bring theyback

While I consider most nostalgia positive, this is negative as I consider these thoughts distracting when I actually have to do homework.

School used to feel like it would never end, now it goes by too quick.

I think feeling nostalgic is a positive thing and should be celebrated. It brings good memories and sometimes creative ideas.

I rarely get to see her so that time she came to visit was a very good memory of mine. This nostalgic felling is a positive feeling that I have because it make me happy every time I think about it.

What nostalgia is to me it’s something positive. You hold onto those types of memories because its something personal to you.

I believe this nostalgic feeling is negative. I think about it too much. Of course, I don't regret any of the experiences I had, but I think it would just be better if nostalgia didn't exist so I wouldn't have to dwell on the past anymore. I could instead focus on making memories right now, really living in the moment.

I thought the table who did Stafford's editorial did well on the presentation. Their evidence was different from what I heard before, yet effective, and they did a good job explaining it as well as staying on time.

I would like to give a shout-out to table 2. They all were loud and there information was good.

I found this quote interesting because it makes you wonder why is the Madame scared of the students of Hailsham. It is known that creativity is important in Halisham but they didn't say why. I think the Madame has something to do with it because she is the one who selects the best art from each grade for the Gallery.

I found this quote interesting because it’s an example of nostalgia. It talks about trying to leave something in the past and nit think about it so much, but doing that is hard.

Shoutout to table 2 I believe their presentation skills were good and keep their cool.

I would like to shout out table 1. They had good information in their presentation and they wrote key words on notecards which implied they actually cared about what they said.

This quote lays a foundation to how important of a place Hailsham is to experience. One of Kathys donors was in his last days, and instead of reminiscing of his past, he wanted to absorb hers like it was his own. This is an example of how some people aren’t nostalgic of their own past, but what COULD have came out of it.

I think the group with the author McQuarrie did a very well job with looking at the audience, speaking clearly and listing good pieces of evidence.

Nostalgia is good, it reminds me to appreciate every bit I spend with my family and in nature. The beach is a nice place and I love to think about all the memories I made there. I know it all so well I could get there blindfolded.

2) I would like to shoutout Table 4 for their presentation. They were loud and made eye contact with class. The line of reasoning was really well explained.

Shoutout to the people who did Macquarie  because even tho they rushed a bit their presentation was really good.

On that note, I would like to shoutout to table 2. They did amazing as they spoke clearly, maintained eye contact, and weren’t reading off the screen because they summarized. (I don’t think they spoke too fast either).

Table 2 was good they were all loud and clear, and reasoning and explanation were well said and structured.

I think this is a bit of a negative force because it makes me miss certain parts of the past that I liked but overlook the negative parts of those experiences.

Nostalgia can be a very upsetting emotion and make you feel horrible, but I think it is so beautiful and a good thing because reminds you of things that once gave you so much happiness.

2) I enjoyed table 4’s presentation and how in depth they went. I liked the illustrations and the way they talked TO the class.

I think table think nostalgia being good or bad depends on the environment people have been in, in the past.

I think table 3 did well because they showcased a good point of the stigma of a time period can change with time, also changing the perspective of nostalgia.

This quote was interesting to me because it was nostalgia with more nostalgia in it. She’s already remembering the Hailsham pavilion, and then she remembers picture books from when she was even younger. This shows the audience how big of a theme nostalgia is going to be, and how important the concept of remembering is.

Particular arrangement of popular trees up pn a hillside, and I’ll think maybe that’s it I’ve found it! This is actually Hailsham”(6)

This is important it shows that hailsham is gone and we don’t know why and she is nostalgic of hailsham wanting to go back

I thought this quote was worthy of annotation because even thought the quote itself doesn’t say much, the context behind makes it special. There were alternatives to doing work one way or another by not doing a painting but then you can do a poem to make up for it, which is one of the reasons that made Hailsham strange .

This quote is important as Tommy is one of the main characters and this quote portrays his past trauma of being laughed at. People often bullied and picked on him. This seems to be a part of his anger issues and why he is the way he is, for example, his tantrums on the football field. I feel like Tommy will be apart of the book in the present and this quote helps us understand Tommy’s mindset, how he handles his emotions from getting picked on.

I also think that table two did a good job, and was very well presented.

Nostalgic is good, it reminds you of what you don’t have, so you can find new things to enjoy.

This quote is important and interesting because it shows that all the boys started treating Tommy differently, despite the fact that he has not become better at art or more interested in it, his attitude has simply changed and now everyone treats him differently. So if it was Tommy’s lack of art was the reason why he started to get bullied, why is everyone treating him normal now when he hasn’t even tried to be better at art.

I found this quote worthy of annotation because it is the first real indication that there could be something serious going on with the Hailsham students. It makes the students involved feel as though they were aliens that will be looked at differently by people on the outside. The students initially thought that madame simply disliked them, but it turned out to be something much worse.

This quote was interesting to me because it was nostalgia with more nostalgia in it. She’s already remembering the Hailsham pavilion, and then she remembers picture books from when she was even younger. This shows the audience how big of a theme nostalgia is going to be, and how important the concept of remembering is.

I believe this quote was worthy of annotation because it shows how the kids don’t want to know the answer. They are hurt because they realize Madame has a negative emotion towards them. They feels as they are “dehumanized”.

This quote is worthy of annotation because it cleary shows the contrast of how different children are taught in hailsham, compared to children in the real world. It's so odd that something like this is fundamental in not only school but also life in the real world. But Kathy is so appalled by Mrs Lucy telling Tommy this, that she thinks Mrs.Lucy isn't even being serious. It also shows how being good at certain things is crucial in being a Hailsham student, but

why?

Pick one comment you agree with and EXPAND on it by explaining why you agree or by giving further examples.

Pick one comment you disagree with or are unsure about it and EXPAND on it by explaining your own unique perspective.

Your responses should be detailed, specific, and original. Avoid repetition.

This will affect your overall grade, as it will stand as proof of your listening abilities.

Commenting twice per round should result in 8 total posts. If you are absent one day, you should contribute more posts on the day you are here to have a total of 8.

Round 1

I also disagree that emotions have something to do with carer/doner role as that Tommy has high emotions yet not creative, but Ruth has high emotions but is creative.

I agreed with grace when she said what mrs.lucy means about evidence on page 108. I think what mrs. Lucy is trying to do is to get them to think what helshiam is actually doing to them. I disagree with Jimmy they could be trying maybe to make clones out of what he students at Halshiam creativity is they are trying to make AI based on what they can see from students. 

I disagree with Jimmy saying that the kids aren’t human. I think that the kids are definitely human, they’re just raised to have more meaning to their life. Rather than not being human, the kids are just humans who are doing something special.

I disagree that Mrs. Lucy is crazy, I think she’s being a normal human being by feeling bad about what happens to the kids, like anyone else would. She’s just warning them about their future, which is the right thing to do in my opinion.

Round 2

I agree with Desiree that Hailsham is basically an organ farm, and if they are only there to donate their organs, then they were probably born in a lab and have only ever had the purpose of being disposable for others to live longer.

I disagree that certain skills would give people certain characteristics, I think it seems like a stretch and I just think that it doesn’t make sense in the context of the book.

Why are the other kids personalities bland compared to Kathy? I believe Kathy wanted to be rebellious against the rules of Hailsham. When Kathy plays the tape, she’s always secretive about it and this shows how she is probably different from most of the kids of Hailsham. They also wear the same uniforms so that can also make them all seem like clones.

I like zofia Desiree and Audrey’s comments on how Ruth was a liar but had a big heart and this could be a effect of nostalgia

I agree with Desiree on the matter that the kids are cooping with their life in the jokes that they make when they are in groups. The children would make jokes about donations or what life would be like after they left Hailsham, I believe they did this to cover up or hide the dark truths that were in their future, how they would donate and die fairly quickly afterwards. They would make jokes to lighten their futures and make them brighter.

I agreed with Audrey when she said that Mrs. Lucy isn’t scribbling out of anger/frustration, but primarily because of worry. As Audrey said, Mrs. Lucy probably figured something out or learned something that made her panic and possibly regret what she told Tommy and potentially other students. My personal opinion is that Mrs. Lucy found out the real importance of being creative… Maybe the more creative you are, the longer you’re a carer. This could also be why Mrs. Lucy tells Tommy to forget everything.

There was one primary thing I disagreed with… Ruth being smart and good at chess. This was said by Suad, and I can personally verify that pieces don’t just go in L shapes in chess. Ruth isn’t smart, but as Amesley said, a pathological lair. Ruth makes up the facts of being good at chess and many other things to get attention- to seem more authoritative than she is. We see evidence of this when Ruth always tries to avoid teaching Kathy chess.

I disagree that the kids don’t know what normal is, because the kids were talking about their own dreams, like moving to America or becoming actors, which shows that they know that people do have other lives, and even if they don’t know that that might be “normal” I think they know it’s a life drastically different than their own.

I agree with the comment that saying that the guardians are making it clear to this kids that they have to be donors and control them witch is a big part of the way they act

I agree with Demetrius saying that the guardians play a big role in the kids coming to terms with their purpose. I think that the way that the guardians slowly revealed it and the way that they worded things helped the kids not freak out about it.

Adding on to what Chimaka said on page 74 i noticed Kathy say "Ruth had been looking out for something nice to do" this shows that Ruth could be nice if she wanted to be nice. It also shows us that she is a nice person from the inside but tries to show people that she is tough maybe because she is missing something in who she is or who she became from her childhood.

I agreed with Jolie and Chiamaka when they talk about how people humanized dogs, but dehumanize people who work in Chinese sweat shops. I’ve found that people will ignore certain parts of businesses or life that they are politically opposed to if they benefit from the results of said actions.

I disagree when Jolie said that the students at hailsham are fine with the fact that they will only live very short lives because they believe it is their purpose and they are doing something very important. I disagree, because I think they don’t understand the extent of the situation, especially because there were two kids talking to one another about what they wanted to do in the future. I think they are just ignorant, and the only reason they are so complacent with their situation is because they don’t know any better, and have been raised to not think more about it.

I don’t really know her name, but I have a feeling it was Percea Ball who said that the guardians have superpowers. I strongly disagree with this— I have a feeling that the guardians are outsiders with outstanding merits who had the opportunity to teach at such a special school like Hailsham… As for Mrs. Emily knows where everyone’s hiding and stuff, that probably comes from years of experience. The guardians do not have superpowers.

Round 4

Agree-I agree with Omar’s idea that humans are defined by being naturally born by another human.

Disagree-I do not agree with Sofia that the guardians are brainwashed, because who would be brainwashing them? Is there a higher power present?

Disagree-I don’t agree with Jolie’s idea that the kids are clones of the guardians, because then everyone would be the same and not have different personalities, which they do have.

I agree with Amar that the kids are not clones. However, I do think that it’s possible that the kids are MAKING clones. We’ve never been told what the organs being donated are for. Mr. Pyzik said that there’s themes including AI, and maybe the kids’ organs are being donated to make the “perfect” human.

I agree with London certain smells and foods wirh trigger nostalgia and bring back either good or bad memories depending on how your last memory with that food or smell was

They are required to be creative even after a guardian tells Tommy it isnt needed to be creative a few days later she tells him otherwise.

I agree with Manny about the kids at Hailsham not being human. Yasmeen, I think, was arguing that the kids at Hailsham are people… As Manny so eloquently stated, the guardians keep using the word “Created”. In the previous round, Jolie talks about the students being clones, and I agree with this. That’s the only thing that would explain how there’s children that get “created”.  Furthermore, students in Hailsham can’t have babies and have their whole lives set ahead of them— this just solidifies the fact that the students at Hailsham aren’t human.

I agree with Emmanuel of the topic of the kids being created and the purpose Behind art and how it has significance towards how human the children are and to access how emotional and human like the kids are.

I disagree with Emanuel when he mentioned how he thinks it’s possible for the students to not be human, and he used the example that they were “created” I think they were possibly born in a lab for the purpose of raising to take their organs, but that still means they are human. And, if they have organs in the first place they have to be human and can’t be A.I. or anything else.

With Mr. Pyziks proposed question about authorities in Richards viewing us as not humanistic. I believe not necessarily but a view of us being stupid children and us being different then them and their generation. Often on social media or networks I view comments with a disdain tone about “gen z” ers. Also older generations talking about my/our generation  comparing both generations and going g along the lines of “we were never like that” and etc.

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round 1:

I agree with what Zavier said about the creativity being evidence about who becomes a carer and who becomes a donor. I agree with Grace about Kathy being very questioning about things. I agree with Zavier with ms lucy telling them not in the calculated way they were supposed to, so that may have been why the guardians got rid of her

I disagree with what Nora said about ms lucy being crazy, because I feel like she was just really angry or frustrated, but not mad per se. She may have been scribbling things that were not good about Hailsham, so she was scribbling over them. On page 91 is said that she was shading like they do in Art.

round 2:

i kinda agree with caylin where ms lucy left of her own accord and Zofia where she was stressed about everything she knew. I agree about ms lucy favoring tommy. i agree about how ruth wanted a sense of self. i agree with Zofia about sales being a way for them to express themselves and also creativity.

i disagree with  Suad about Ruth being llke someone who’s wise, because ruth lies a lot and is always trying to make herself important, like for example the problem is that ruth was bad at chess… that’s what kathy was emphasizing not chess making her smart

round 4

i agree with emmanuel him about lucy talking about them being created, and his arguments about them being created. i agree with london about. I kinda agree with sophia. i agree with sophia that the teachers are

i disagree with emmanuel about them being at hailsham as ais to develop their feelings to be more like ai but i like his explanation

Then, give your opinion on if this nostalgic feeling is a positive or negative force in your life.

It’s positive because it reminds me of good days and family gatherings and staying up late and going to the mosque.

This quote is important because I feel like it’s giving us foreshadowing of some answer Kathy is looking for it could be in the people around her at Halshiam because when she says “I quiz people” she is testing those people to find a answer to something she is looking for a question that’s she has or a mystery. But we can definitely tell that she’s is looking for something.