PBIS Question # 2: What experiences/thoughts/reactions have you had in regards to PBIS that would indicate it is not an effective way to manage student expectations building-wide? by

PBIS Question # 2: What experiences/thoughts/reactions have you had in regards to PBIS that would indicate it is not an effective way to manage student expectations building-wide? by https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703 en-us 2013-04-15 14:24:26 UTC 2013-04-15 14:26:09 UTC hello@padlet.com T-I have heard students being synical about us rewarding behaviors that should just be expected. Lack of consistency in enforcing consequences for major offenses. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9006645 2013-04-16 18:38:27 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9006645 I haven't heard that it is not effective. However, I have experienced no feedback or follow-up from admin. on some behavior concerns which diminish its effectiveness and also effect my motivation to share future concerns with admin. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012063 2013-04-16 20:15:31 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012063 I believe we have to be more consistent with enforceing the rules https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012070 2013-04-16 20:15:47 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012070 T--I have only heard negativity from the students when they are reprimanded for a behavior. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012094 2013-04-16 20:16:27 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012094 T-Students still(4-16) telling me that other teachers do not use the PBIS system, blue sheets. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012139 2013-04-16 20:17:36 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012139 Some teachers have developed their own consequences, which is hard for students to remember different teachers https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012167 2013-04-16 20:18:00 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012167 T-Student expectations are somewhat different for each child. Doesn't seem like there is always consistency. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012170 2013-04-16 20:18:02 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012170 T: Some students clearly are Tier 2/3 and only using Tier 1 feels redundant. Parents get tired of hearing the same message. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012183 2013-04-16 20:18:25 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012183 T - I don't believe we are all consistent enforcing the rules/expectations. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012220 2013-04-16 20:19:23 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012220 T:Inconsistency. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012229 2013-04-16 20:19:40 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012229 S Some staff use it and some staff don't. Consistency is important. The way that each teacher accumulates the minors until an office referral is less than effective. A student can determine that they can get away with something for quite a while if they know this https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012235 2013-04-16 20:19:49 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012235 T-Some students seem to be exempted from PBIS. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012239 2013-04-16 20:19:55 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012239 T-teachers should be able to access what other teachers have had as interaction with a student througout the day https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012247 2013-04-16 20:20:04 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012247 T- students wearing hats and using phones. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012254 2013-04-16 20:20:08 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012254 T-Teachers need to be consistent or students have difficulty learning the expectations. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012264 2013-04-16 20:20:18 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012264 T- some students have said they don't show up for detention and have experienced no consequence for that https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012269 2013-04-16 20:20:27 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012269 T-teachers seem to have adjusted expectations on their own, so kids aren't necessarily following the same rules https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012270 2013-04-16 20:20:28 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012270 As others are mentioning, consistency https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012271 2013-04-16 20:20:28 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012271 T - inconsistency in enforcing the expectations and being unsure in the beginning of what minor and major infractions may be https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012278 2013-04-16 20:20:35 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012278 T- Quite honestly - I don't use it very well because it costs time .... I don't have time to document every misbehavior or to call parents. We need to have a quicker more direct way to gather data. Also there's no administrative follow up... how do we know what happens beyond our experience. We never see the data. Students think it's a joke. Perhaps actually taking actions such as suspension for chronic misbehavior would be more appropriate. It is also aggravating that nothing happens in terms of their overall behaviors. If they have 4 tardies in my class they may have 4 in all of their classes .... that's 20 or more that should be on their overall record. Is anyone keeping track of that? https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012280 2013-04-16 20:20:38 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012280 Still more consistency in enforcement needed https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012298 2013-04-16 20:21:07 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012298 T- When individual staff members do not use the system it undermines all the rest of us. This isn't about what the teacher wants, it is about what is good for students. I think we all need to get better at the process. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012299 2013-04-16 20:21:09 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012299 t - Not consistant enough to be truly effective at this point. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012309 2013-04-16 20:21:27 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012309 T- It can be frustrating at times when we feel that others are not holding students as accountable as others. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012364 2013-04-16 20:22:28 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012364 T- I have heard that the 4th offense is only a lunch detention, which doesn't seem to jive with the idea of escalating consequences when the 3rd offense is an after school detention. Also, many teachers aren't buying it. And the kids think the videos are ridiculous https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012380 2013-04-16 20:22:42 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012380 T- I have seen PBIS in action it is a very good way to manage. The problem is that it has to be set in stone what the actual rule is and punishment and every staff member has to follow the same rule. It has not been effective here and students are still having problems following cell phone, bathroom breaks, and tardies. Students use the excuse well so and so teacher lets us do it. It needs to be a strict rule. Memorial was on the news for how well their cell phone policy works and I have heard from numerous people they have no issues with cell phone. PBIS can work we just need to make tweaks to it and all be dedicated to enforcing them. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012396 2013-04-16 20:23:03 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012396 T - Unfortunately, too many staff members aren't following the expectations and sending the same message to students. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012398 2013-04-16 20:23:08 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012398 We should have an expectations that a much higher % of employees are using it! https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012406 2013-04-16 20:23:18 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012406 T - Inconsistency in the building. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012407 2013-04-16 20:23:18 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012407 C - I'm not seing kids making connections that influence their school behaviors https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012467 2013-04-16 20:24:01 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012467 T- Teachers aren't following the expectation to follow PBIS and when other teachers are trying to correct student behavior, they are getting mixed messages. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012482 2013-04-16 20:24:11 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012482 T the same students are most often the ones involved https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012493 2013-04-16 20:24:16 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012493 T-There is little consistency in enforcing consequences. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012586 2013-04-16 20:25:17 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012586 If everyone is not following through it will not work. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012689 2013-04-16 20:26:19 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012689 T-I work after school detention and students are not showing up. Is there a consequence? https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012703 2013-04-16 20:26:29 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012703 until everyone does it, it won't work. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012724 2013-04-16 20:26:44 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012724 T this takes a huge amount of time and I am unable to see if a particular student is showing the same behavior in multiple hours https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012773 2013-04-16 20:27:20 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012773 T- I am not seeing students make a connection to what their inappropriate behaviors are when we go to reteach. They continue to think that they can do whatever they want. They have such an attitude about being entitled to everything now. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012788 2013-04-16 20:27:40 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012788 T administrative follow through is a joke https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012815 2013-04-16 20:28:00 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012815 T - Chronic offenders don't seem to be impacted. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012818 2013-04-16 20:28:02 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012818 The building has to be united in the effort and language being used when reteaching. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012858 2013-04-16 20:28:31 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012858 T Admin needs to follow through https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012873 2013-04-16 20:28:41 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012873 T - I am having a difficult time between knowing when something is a minor vs. a major. The flow chart leads to some interpretation and individuals are interpreting things very differently which leads to things not being effective. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012958 2013-04-16 20:30:02 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012958 T: The initial time is something I haven't been willing to give:-( https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012993 2013-04-16 20:30:56 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9012993 T-I've had more problems with cell phones this year than any other year. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013050 2013-04-16 20:32:42 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013050 T- More consistency is needed. The current process is time consuming for recording data. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013120 2013-04-16 20:35:45 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013120 T- there isn't consistency among staff, which can make it ineffective https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013250 2013-04-16 20:41:13 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013250 T- The recording system we currently hae in place is way too cumbersome for the classroom teacher. We already have too many other new initiatives (not to mention those coming down the line in the near future) to remain effective. Students know there are too many minor offenses that are allowable before anything will "happen" and they take advantage of the system. The data collection process must be streamlined and stricter consequences in place for the first violation if this will ever achieve what it is set out to do. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013280 2013-04-16 20:42:24 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013280 T-Consistancy continues to be a problem especially in regards to hats. I still see staff walking past or talking to students with hats and nothing is said. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013281 2013-04-16 20:42:24 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013281 T- Same as every other "new" thing they throw at us.... more for teachers to do and no administrative back up. Very little planning..... straight to execution and of course it goes poorly. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013331 2013-04-16 20:44:08 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013331 Inconsistency between the 2 high schools. i.e. cell phone policy. The substitutes are even complaining. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013457 2013-04-16 20:48:36 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013457 t; Consistency of implementation across staff https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013534 2013-04-16 20:52:16 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013534 T-I don't know whether it is fair to blame PBIS or how it was introduced at our school. Who is in charge at the district level to ensure consistency? zatshoo https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013556 2013-04-16 20:53:53 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013556 T-The number one concern I hear from staff is that kids don't complete homework. I wish PBIS would focus on functional class room behaviors. zatshoo https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013653 2013-04-16 20:59:03 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013653 T-Memorial's policy is not enforced the same way. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013747 2013-04-16 21:05:12 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013747 T-I had no idea a student didn't show up for detention until the student told me. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013763 2013-04-16 21:06:04 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9013763 I have watched administrators and staff watch students walk by them with cell phones out and hats on and they did not address the behavior. If PBIS is going to work, all staff, especially admin., needs to be on top of this. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9034142 2013-04-17 12:22:31 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9034142 We all need to be working together to enforce the expectations. https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9036383 2013-04-17 13:08:53 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9036383 T- Teachers need to be consisten- students will comment on the fact that different teachers sometimes do and sometimes don't address behaviors https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9129659 2013-04-19 13:21:10 UTC https://padlet.com/keetoa27/r6qd5e8703/wish/9129659