Darmok by Cathleen Rettig-Silveira https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22 Behind the "Incomprehensibles" en-us 2021-02-05 22:02:47 UTC 2023-09-08 11:36:42 UTC hello@padlet.com "Would you consider a non-agression pact" --Picard csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170452808 2021-02-05 22:13:28 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170452808 They are called "The Incomprehensibles"--but are they truly incomprehensible? csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170456951 "In my experience, communication arrives from patience and imagination."--Picard]]> 2021-02-05 22:15:36 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170456951 Bogost writes: csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170489508 "...a universal translator" automatically interprets between any alien language instantly and fluently.....requires no previous experience with another language in order to make sense of it... in the case it works on the surface as the basic syntax and semantics" are understood as proper names of individuals and locations are stated. "Yes, but what does it all mean? asks Picard.]]> 2021-02-05 22:31:41 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170489508 Troi, Crusher and Data on Structural Understanding csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170498681 "Without a knowledge of the mythical origins of the figures that comprise the Tamarian language.... little hope of understanding the sense of their speech.]]> 2021-02-05 22:37:23 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170498681 Metaphor vs Image? csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170503523 "Metaphor and image are not accurate descriptions of the Tamarian language's logic"-- Bogost
 Troi evaluates the Tamarian speech as a depiction through images and figures; which means interpreted through the Enterprise Crew's cultural lens of experience. Metaphors recreate the real into a type of symbolic representation. In this case, that representation would not translate culturally. ]]> 2021-02-05 22:40:19 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170503523 "Allegory replaces one with another entirely.... veiled language is powerful, because allegories effectively freeze time.." Bogost csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170513953 Until the actual physical contact on the planet's surface, Picard is unable to create any frame of reference that might allow for understanding. But at that moment, the phrases took on meaning. ]]> 2021-02-05 22:47:25 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170513953 Imagine, if you will, a culture that communicates with memes. csilv030 https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170529766 A language barrier existed between the Enterprise Crew and the Tamarians. The initial signal was a mathematical sequence that brought them together. A universal translator failed to create understanding as the Tamarians had no need for explicit low-level discourse, while Picard and crew had only their frame of reference to interpret. With no knowledge of how to communicate, the need to expand acceptance of cultural differences and interpretation of the allegorical through a different lens became paramount for success. ]]> 2021-02-05 22:58:35 UTC https://padlet.com/csilv030/r3b1e8j8xeh7gw22/wish/1170529766