B1B Spring 2023- Victor Frankenstein, a Freudian Approach by Sharon Rowland https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6 After thoroughly reading my research, now respond with any thoughts, surprises, reactions that you now have about Victor Frankenstein. What surprised you? Can you understand his psyche now? ♥ Be sure that your response does not cover up someone elses. en-us 2023-01-07 22:55:49 UTC 2023-03-27 16:38:07 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f480.png Victor Frankenstein alyssaspivy2005 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2515428770 I knew that Victor's dream in Chapter 5 foreshadowed Elizabeth's death and that the fiend had something to do with it. However, I did not realize that her death was Victor's wish fulfillment. I also did not realize that the dream was to foreshadow her death on their wedding night. To me, there was no hint that she would die on her wedding day. It is sad to think that Elizabeth was the cause of severance between Victor and his mother. I can't believe Victor maticulously planned Elizabeth's death. When I read the last couple chapters of the book, I thought her death was an accident. So Victor is not only mentally ill, but he is a murderer as well. ]]> 2023-03-14 03:36:50 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2515428770 Frankenstein - Joedina Crocker https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2515476792 In the last assignment, I actually made a lot of these observations, such as the precognitive dream and Victor's resentment of Elizabeth for the death of his mother and having to share the love of his parents. I also made the observation that Victor already knew the fiend's plan of killing Elizabeth; however, I didn't think about the death of Elizabeth being Victor's plan all along. Although, how would Victor have had a precognitive dream of Elizabeth's death if he didn't already have it in his mind that she would die on his wedding night. Why would Victor reschedule his wedding for an earlier date with Elizabeth knowing her life would be in danger if he didn't have a plan to have her killed. I don't understand why Frankenstein sought to kill the fiend in the end though. If he fufilled his plan of having a live in Austria because of his inheritance from his dead wife, why would he seek the rest of his life to have the fiend killed?]]> 2023-03-14 04:32:01 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2515476792 Frankenstien-Lucas Bishop https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2522801217 One thing that surprised me about Victor Frankenstein was finding out his phycological workings. At first, I just took it at face value, but after doing these assignments and thinking a little deeper I've gained a new appreciation for the character as well as the book.]]> 2023-03-20 02:48:55 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2522801217 Freudian Approach - Jakob Sage 5770531 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2524061769 Originally, before we read the book and had our discussions, I believed that Victor Frankenstein was going to be a simple crazy scientist chasing fame. Although, after the finishing the book and our last few assignments I have been enligented in regards to Victor and his character. For example, I knew that Victor saw Elizabeth as a possession, but I didn’t notice his “tongue slip” about how he is miserable in his marriage. After this it made sense why he did not warn Elizabeth about the fiend despite the fiend threatening his visit to the wedding. 

]]> 2023-03-20 18:09:06 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2524061769 Frankenstein- Rachell Becerril https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2526257436 While reading the book I knew that Victor and Elizabeth were eventually gonna die. The fiend had warned Victor of his wedding night. However, only after reading Professor Rowland’s research was it made clear to me that Victor had worked out a way to kill Elizabeth and finally free himself from her using the fiend. It was truly fascinating the way Victor thought everything through, and realizing that he didn’t really love Elizabeth all those years but simply felt an obligation to be with her and feel some sort of affection towards her because of his mother. When he referred to his and Elizabeth’s union as “miserable”, I thought it was because he loved Elizabeth so much that he felt dejected about putting Elizabeth's life in danger. Also, learning about Freud’s theory enhanced my understanding of Victor as an individual and the choices he made. 

]]> 2023-03-22 00:36:13 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2526257436 Victor Frankenstein, a Freudian Approach- Madeline Moss 5837642 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529208693 Victor Frankenstein has many layers to dissect as a character. When I first read Frankenstein, I saw Victor as science obsessed without care for anyone else in his life. After reading the research I was able to put together pieces on how he also had love for his mother that border lined obsessive. Victor had lost his mother when he was seventeen to scarlet fever, she had caught it from Elizabeth while she was nursing Elizabeth back to health. Victor blamed Elizabeth for the death of his mother, whether he knew it consciously or not. Victor had dreams of his mother and Elizabeth, ones that confirmed this belief that Elizabeth was the cause of his mother's death. Elizabeth, in my opinion, was only an object to Victor. She was given to him as something for him to posses and he treated her as such. He claimed to love her, however he only showed he affection in front of others. Victor repressed his emotions so much that he threw himself into his work which lead to the creation of a monster. I understand Victor's psyche, reading the research paper and using the knowledge I previously had of Victor's actions helped me understand his thinking process. Victor repressed his emotions so much that his subconscious took over a reaped havoc. ]]> 2023-03-23 17:14:10 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529208693 Victor Frankenstein, A Freudian Approach - Emily Dowden https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529326378 Victor Frankenstein was a surprising character in itself. After the loss of his mother, his repressed feelings towards Elizabeth were bent for the readers to believe that she was the love of his life. Looking into the research, the reason Victor had the fiend created was to kill Elizabeth. I never expected this way of thinking because I purely thought that Frankenstein aspired to be a famous scientist that changed the world. Victor was a very troubled character and his ways of thinking were derived through life and death, experiencing it all his life. Victor was haunted with life and death and the creation of the fiend reflects Victor's repressed emotions. This way of thinking lets me appreciate Victor a little more because certainly through those tough times the repressed emotions were soon to be exposed and would resurface. ]]> 2023-03-23 18:38:29 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529326378 Trinity McCardle https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529476997 Victor Frankenstein 
My discovery of Victor Frankenstein came as a complete surprise to me. At first I didn't question it, but now that I have, I find it fascinating. Though, after working on these assignments and thinking more on it, I have a newfound admiration for the character as well as the book itself. ]]> 2023-03-23 21:16:22 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529476997 Freudian Analysis- Aleyna Lencioni https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529638836 Upon gaining further insight into the true reasons for the creation of the creature, that being the death of Elizabeth, it makes a lot more sense as to why the book was not written from Victor's perspective but rather him telling Walton. It also further explains his actions following the creation of the fiend, his blatant abandonment and cruelty, Victor is not an unintelligent man so his actions towards the fiend were all done to drive him into that rage that ended up benefiting Victor. This is a new perspective through which I hadn't seen the story before. ]]> 2023-03-24 00:48:54 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529638836 Victor Frankenstein, A Freudian Approach roxannatapia2601 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529690001 I was surprised after reading the transferal meanings of victor’s dream in your paper. Especially the one where Victor is only reunited with his mother after Elizabeth disappears. I hadn’t realized that Victor’s intention of the fiend was to murder his fiance or that he wished her gone at all. I understood that he held off the marriage as much as possible and even felt anxiety regarding their intimacy but not that Victor wanted Elizabeth dead. Instead, I thought that Frankenstien created the monster solely because he wished to bring back his mother from the dead. I can’t believe that Victor manipulated the fiend to carry out his wish! My mind is blown! Honestly, that makes so much sense to his character. That isn’t fair to the fiend though, I feel even more bad for him than I did before. You bring out a lot of points that I wouldn’t have thought of during the first read through of Frankenstien. Wow! After reading your paper, I now full heartedly believe that Victor sent Elizabeth to her dead and fully aware of what was to follow. I knew that Victor had some sort of hatred towards Elizabeth for causing the death of his mother but I failed to realize that he had planned her death. ~ Roxanna Tapia 
 

]]> 2023-03-24 01:28:50 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529690001 Sophia Wheeler - Frankenstein: A Freudian Approach https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529878981 I never thought about how Victor Frankenstein would want Elizabeth dead since the monster’s journey of isolation seemed more reflective of Victor himself. However, after reading your insightful paper, Victor’s obsession with control and his avoidance of Elizabeth made more sense once you described the dream’s meaning. Victor wanted to instead trade Elizabeth’s life for his mothers since he loved her dearly. He loved her so dearly that his repression and ego struggle to meet Victor’s wish fulfillment. Additionally, I found it fascinating that his creation’s existence came from Victor to avoid the guilt and shame he would feel if he committed the murder physically himself. He remains unable to confront his actions and the consequences they have brought about, and instead, he retreats further into his mind. In the end, I very much enjoyed these assignments analyzing the fiend and Victor deeper as I now have found how differently others view Frankenstein’s meaning and purpose.]]> 2023-03-24 04:13:14 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529878981 Frankenstein -Spencer Corum https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529929504 I was interested to learn about Victor's planning to take advantage of the fiend. While reading the book, I assumed his dream was simply his stress prompting thoughts of his worst fears. The idea that it was not a fear of losing Elizabeth but rather a wish completely changes how I view Victor's character. Although I do not agree with many of Freud's proposals, it was incredibly interesting to view Frankenstein through his lens.]]> 2023-03-24 05:07:21 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529929504 Victor Frankenstein - Shelsy Estrada shelsyortiz0429 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529931894 I want to begin by giving Professor Rowland a round of applause your analysis was terrific to read with details that are out of this world. Your punctuation is on point, and it really sets the bar high for our papers I strive to be like you. Reading this paper opened my eyes it showed me how thorough, and organized you are. I would love to see how you brainstormed and organized your paper! If you don’t mind me asking how long did it take you to write your analysis? The way you talked about Sigmund Freud and his Psychoanalysis Theory. When you went in-depth on victor Frankenstein’s dream, the one thing that I overlooked was when you pointed out that Victor made a tribute with the jewels at the end, and it showed symbolism towards his mother.  The book Frankenstein by Mary Shelley has widened my view in foreshadowing, especially with the dream victor Frankenstein had. When I read that passage of his dream, I read it at face value I didn’t think it foreshadowed his wife’s death. Studying and analyzing Sigmund Freud's Psychoanalysis Theory opened my eyes that at 18 Shelley had a great mind that signifies more than I thought. To me, it was just a simple dream after creating a monster, but it is foreshadowing the death of his wife and mother.]]> 2023-03-24 05:09:43 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2529931894 Frankenstein-EmilyClayton https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530598651 When we first began learning about and reading Frankenstein one of my first thoughts of Victor was that he loved and cared for Elizabeth, so one thing that surprised me while reading though Professor Rowlands research was that it was actually Victors wish that Elizabeth would die, and the whole reason that the fiend was created was to carry out Victors wish.]]> 2023-03-24 15:31:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530598651 Frankenstein-Fatima Amezola https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530772371 Victor Frankenstein is a complex character who has suffered greatly due to his reckless ambition and obsession with creating life. When referring back to the research it is discovered that he did not care for Elizabeth like I thought he did. It surprised me that he would not have spared her life even after the monster he created threatened to kill her. His dream also showed that she was going to die soon. His lack of shared intimacy indicates that he didn't really love her and just used her for companionship, because of his mother’s death. I understand that he was grieving and just wanted someone to be there for him, whether it was Elizabeth or the creation of the friend.]]> 2023-03-24 18:00:30 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530772371 Brianna Martinez https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530861361 Coming into this novel I was a bit hesitant. I've known about Frankenstein but everything I thought I knew was completely wrong. I had the idea that the monster was known as Frankenstein but its actually the scientist. Both characters came to me as a surprise, reading about them and their experiences changed my perspective on the two a lot. I feel like with classic novels you can't really gather and understand the entirety of the novel in just one read. Even now, after turning in a paper about the novel I feel like there is still some parts I have misunderstood. Through studying this novel I have a understanding of the novel and the characters as two separate individuals and the two together as a pair.  ]]> 2023-03-24 19:34:28 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530861361 Frankenstein Realization- Kya Haner https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530918956 Even in the self reflection of death, Victor acknowledges no fault of his own. His character does not arc predictably throughout the story. Victor becomes the villain. As he chases the Fiend, the truth of his actions are shown. The very thing he longed to create, turned evil and defied him. Victor dies without peace, without connection, and without his glory. His connection to his mother he acknowledges by possessing his mother’s jewels, excepting that, he obtains no redemption. ]]> 2023-03-24 21:12:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530918956 Understanding "Frankenstein" and Other Opinions - Valerie Ruiz https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530919052 On the surface, I found “Frankenstein” to be a well-executed novel worthy of its revolutionary legacy. On another level, I found the assignments based on Michelangelo’s “Creation of Adam” and Freud’s Theory of the id, ego, and superego to be extremely valuable in understanding the psychological implications of Victor and the story's theme. Before these assignments, I was able to identify Victor as a fragile, ambitious, and arrogant man. Afterwards, I finally understood the complexity of his character and was very surprised how his character progressed so well with these aspects of personality development and fatherhood. As I have stated previously on other discussion posts, I believe Victor is a terrible father and contributes to the Fiend’s spiral of anger towards humanity. Had Victor been involved in his life in some way, the Fiend could have been a testament to Victor’s ability as a scientist. Instead, the Fiend embodied the fear, frustration, sorrow, and aggression Victor kept hidden from the world. Due to his actions, Victor’s mentality escalated and he wished for Elizabeth’s death, perhaps as a way to symbolize letting his mother go. This shows he never truly loved her and only ‘kept’ her in his ‘possession’ to keep his mother happy. Originally, I thought Victor and Elizabeth were an ideal couple, but my opinion changed once I came to this dark conclusion. Overall, Victor was an interesting character that caused him to face the consequences of his great and terrible creations. For this reason, and other aspects of the novel, I have grown deeply invested into this story. ]]> 2023-03-24 21:12:59 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530919052 Frankenstein- Jesus Cortez https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530936885 The thing that surprise me most is when Victor dreamed of his wife’s death thus foreshadowing the data in the dream he kissed her and at first time she became lifeless and Pale and turned into her mothers corpse to imaginar her death into his mother, reminded him how much you love and miss, love I understand not wanting to lose his mothers love because he had such a close connection with her - Jesus Cortez]]> 2023-03-24 21:49:42 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530936885 Nichole Hernandez https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530964840 When we began to read about Victor Frankenstein, I thought of him as a mastermind mad scientist that allowed his ego to get to him and put everyone else to the side. He had different sides to him, the one he admires the most was the love he had for his mother, and she had for him. What shocked me the most was he was trying to the right thing by his mother and marry his cousin Elizabeth, whom he was not in love with and had intentions for the fiend creature to kill her. Reading the research helped me look at the details to Victor Frankenstein and how he lived his life.]]> 2023-03-24 23:07:55 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530964840 A Freudian Approach -Shannon Cline https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530966103 As we held many discussions throughout this book, one thing that surprised me was the deeper meaning that was discovered between Victor and Elizabeth. The precognitive dream that Victor had is one that is not talked about a lot. I personally believe that Victor had Elizabeth's death in his mind for a while which produced the dream and the outcome of reality. If Victor truly cared for her and didn't want Elizabeth to face her doom, Victor would have done anything to keep her safe. ]]> 2023-03-24 23:11:55 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530966103 Victor Frankenstein, a Freudian Approach 5836312 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530985426 When I read Professor Rowland's research, I was surprised to learn that "In occurrences with neurosis, the objectionable impulse that the ego refuses actually retains its high concentration of energy, or cathexis, and slips into the unconscious where it festers because it is a forbidden wish but continuously tries to re-emerge into the conscious" (Freud 18). I was astounded to discover that our ego competes for dominance. When the ego is out of balance, it manifests as a lack of sleep. This makes perfect sense to me because this battle is the result of a nightmare or a strange dream. Because of this chemical imbalance in the brain, Victor Frankenstein had the dream about his mother and Elizabeth.]]> 2023-03-25 00:08:17 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2530985426 Frankenstein- Rachel Mullins https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531023654 Prior to my engagement with this book, I thought that this story was going to be about a crazed scientist who had lost his mind. I had only heard about Frankenstein through the Halloween portrayals of his monster and this caused me to be misinformed about the vast amounts of beautiful literature within Frankenstein. I definitely didn't expect for the downfall of the fiend to be all apart of Frankenstein's master plan to find a way to free himself from Elizabeth. It shocked me to say the least, especially since it started out as Victor telling Walton his tragic story. I thought that was all that was going to become of this story. A devastating story about a man and his obsession, who didn't take the proper precaution with his creation of the fiend and in turn he lost everyone he loved. However, he didn't love Elizabeth, he loved the idea of her. He loved how he was able to morph his mind into believing that she was his mother. And in the end he desired to be freed from her affection. ]]> 2023-03-25 01:55:48 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531023654 Victor Freudenstein - Michael Lucci https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531069728 There's a great line from the movie Shrek that goes, "Ogres are like onions." I believe the same goes for Victor's character as well. Professor Rowland's analysis of Victor through a Freudian lens is illuminating, particularly in uncovering the motivations behind his actions - such as his decision to allow Elizabeth to go to bed alone on their wedding night, which initially I missed but now looking back does seem quite strange and out of place. Previously, I viewed Victor as being a flawed representation of the animus - driven by insatiable desires and a need for control. In contrast, Elizabeth represented the projection of Victor's anima, embodying qualities such as warmth, kindness, and compassion that he appeared to neglect. Now I can look back and view Victor and his relationship in a new light. ]]> 2023-03-25 03:56:51 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531069728 Frankenstein- Roselyn Sierra https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531112760 After reading the book, I did pick up that Victor resented Elizabeth. When I read your research, I was shocked to find out Victor wished for Elizabeth's death and the way he made it work out. The book foreshadowed her death but I truly believed it was going to be the fiend's doing but instead Victor manipulated the fiend into doing it for him. What opened my eyes is when you mentioned that Victor wasn't cautious or seemed to care much about it on his wedding night. That's what helped me realize Victor made it to where the fiend would kill Elizabeth for him. At first, I thought of Victor to be a careless scientist who only cared about his experiment but now I see him as more of a mastermind. I understand his way of thinking now after learning about Freud's Theory.]]> 2023-03-25 06:33:21 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531112760 Victor Frankenstein (Nathan Chen) nathanielchen2023 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/r01hmtbzd0h3he6/wish/2531507414 Prior to reading your paper, I had never considered the possibility that Victor Frankenstein might have wished for Elizabeth's demise. Contrastingly, I viewed the monster's isolation as a mirror of Victor himself. Reading your analysis shed new light on the situation by elucidating the meaning behind Victor's dream. His desire to trade Elizabeth's life for his mother's made sense in light of his intense love for her. I also found it intriguing that Victor had created the creature to avoid the guilt and shame he would feel if he were to carry out the murder himself.


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