Block D The Cather in the Rye Group 2 DEAR DNB by Bilal Ahmad Khan https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y Aoi, Koda, Derek en-us 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC 2025-10-12 11:26:57 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f9e0.png Instructions: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272011 Critical readers are constantly asking questions as they read. Post questions that arise as you read. Then, return to address them as the novel provides answers.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272011 Question:What makes Holden struggle so much in school? His relationships? His mindset? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272012 Answer:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272012 Question:What does Holden's red hat symbolize? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272013 Answer: 
His individuality, innocence, childhood and his journey to adulthood.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272013 Quote: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272015 “But my nose was bleeding all over the place” (45)

“Why the hell don’tcha shut up when I tellya to?” He sounded pretty nervous. He probably was scared he’d fractured my skull or something when I hit the floor.” (45)

Analysis:
These quotes discusses the social conlifct that Holden has with people around him. Although he antagonizes everyone, this scene was major as he got into a brutal fight with Stradlater, however Stradlater felt guilty about his actions. Although Holden doesn't have a negative relationship with his roommate, this was a little suprising to the readers as they never got into this big of a fight.

Although Stradlater is a (person)social conflict, I believe that he has social conflict with everyone around him and even with his mental illness' as he has to get over somethings in his daily life.

This quote also emphasizes how Holden get's along with his peers because Holden is the youngest, however he treats his peers like pals which is disliked by Stradlater and all the older guys as they believe they have superiority over him.

There are some characterizations in this section that highlights Holden's individuality and his interests in his journey to entering the adulthood.

This tone describes how he felt after his second ever fight with his peers because he described his qualities as a "pacifist" and explains how he doesn't like to get into fights.


]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272015 Quote: "Just to stop lying. Once I get started, I can go on for hours if I feel like it. No kidding. Hours" (58.) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272016 Analysis: This scene of lying displayed by Holden isn't a scene to waste time, or to make the journey to New York seem short, however, it doesn't tell us about what he might do in the future, or the struggle that he is currently in. However, it does give us some insight into who he is as a character, and a teenager who is trying to find out who he really is. There are two things that has happened thus far that started some meaningful conflict or interesting conversations in this chunk. The first being Stradlater's possible actions towards Jane, the second being the connection between Ernest and his mother, who Holden seems to take a liking, or interest to, and the third his lie to the Lavender bar girls about Gary cooper. Judging based on these events, the connection can be made that Holden has some sort of sympathy for women who are at the misfortune of men, (or some other type of problem). It tells us that although Holden is willing to go the the most absurdist of lies, he doesn't do so without a purpose. He lies, at least in these excerpts, for the benefit of others. Holden is not a bad character by any means, as seen by his willingness to help other people(i.e. stradlater, ackley,  person with the type writer), instead, he is just misunderstood.

This connects with the coming of age archetype as it reveals that Holden has pure intent, a characteristic of innocence. 

His lying also proves significant if you look at his mental illness. His mental illness, and his inability to connect with others causes him to feel distraught with the world, separated if you will. Unable to control what goes on. He feels helpless. His lying serves as a way for him to escape this. To escape the harsh reality that he is trying to find himself in. Every time he lies, he goes under a different identity. The janitor, Jim, etc. Perhaps it is in these lies that he is trying to find the truth of who is he, and where he stands in this ever flowing river.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272016 Quote:“I told ya it had to be about a goddam room or a house or something” (41) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272017 Analysis:
This quote in chapter 6 describes the society and peer pressure that Holden lives up to. Although he was forced to write the composition for Stradlater, he still did it but Stradlater didn't like it as he thought it was meaningless. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272017 Question:Why does Holden keep forgetting his recent actions? "I can hardly remember" (44) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272018 Answer:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272018 Question:We have identified PTSD as one of the mental illnesses affecting Holden, what might some of the others be? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272020 Answer: 
Depression
ADHD?
Autism?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272020 Quote:"Maybe I will the next time. I'll watch ya"(211) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272022 Analysis:
This section of the resolution when Phoebe took a ride at the carousel and Holden watches, it is a satisfying end because usually, satisfying ends have a lot of aspects that comes to positive conclusions, however although not all things came to a positive resolution but a major part, his mental heath became healthier as he was finally able to find himself in a place of happiness and peace with his sister. A carousel goes round and round and repetitively does that, meaning that Holden kept seeing her go around, over and over, but he took that very preciously as he laughed and smiled with her as she kept going. I found this a satisfying ending as he was finally able to reach the level of happiness and his stress level was reduced.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272022 Quote: "What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff--I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going, I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I'd do all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all. I know its crazy, but that's the only thing Id really like to be. I know its crazy" (end of chapter 22) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272023 Analysis: ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272023 Quote:"My hunting hat gave me quite a lot of protection...I felt so damn happy" khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272025 Analysis:
Although Holden felt very isolated and separated from society in a way that he felt as if he didn't fit in, he wears the hat in the resolution while expressing that he is happy. The hat symbolizes his uniqueness and individuality that separates him from the rest of the people, and he finally realized that fitting in wouldn't make him happier. He also finds that he can find happiness in front of him and not away from him. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272025 Question: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272027 Answer:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272027 Question: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272028 Answer: ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272028 Archetype khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272030 archetype (n.): a theme (or other narrative component) that recurs in different times and places, so as to suggest some essential element of the universal human experience.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272030 Instructions khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272031 Use the elements listed below and the guiding questions associated with them to guide your quote selection and analysis. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272031 Parents khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272032 Does the main character have “good” parents?  To what extent do they influence the character?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272032 Family khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272033 What is the role of the main character within the family?  To what extent does the character “fit in” with the family? ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272033 Identity khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272034 Character asks, “Who Am I?” and goes on a quest to find him- or herself.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272034 Gender Roles & Expectations khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272035 Does the character conform to or reject them?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272035 Friendship khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272036 What is the influence of friends or peer group on the character?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272036 Rebellion khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272037 How does the character rebel?  Outwardly?  Inwardly?  Intentionally?  Unintentionally?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272037 Home khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272040 How does he/she define “home”?  What kind of a place is home for him/her?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272040 Community & Culture khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272041 How does the character go along with or go against beliefs, values, or stereotypes?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272041 Romance & Sexuality khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272043 Does it play a major role or minor role? How so? Why or why not? What does s/he learn from this  romantic relationship(s)?]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272043 Narrative Voice khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272045 From whose POV is the story told? How does narrative voice influence the reader? Does it change ever? WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE WELL INTO THE NOVEL TO DO THIS SO YOU GET A GOOD SENSE OF THE VOICE.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272045 The Catcher in the Rye khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272046 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272046 Section 1: Sept. 18th [Chapters 1-5] khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272047 What are the expectations of the protagonist in your novel? Who holds your protagonist up to these expectations? Are they reasonable? Does s/he live up to them or defy them? Why?

Discussion: Expectations lie within the school he goes to and the friends/society he is in. They expect him to succeed in school and conform to the school image. This is a reasonable demand because what they are asking from Holden is simply to do well in school (like any other student) and to fit in. However Holden finds trouble doing this because he finds himself out of place in the societal mold ,hates the school he goes to and as a result doesn't apply himself. He particularly has no regrets throughout his expulsion (at least not yet) and no image of his future.

Further explanation on the expectations held for the protagonist (Holden: The school is a system in which they expect students to succeed in order to have a successful career. The schools standards are to have high grades and apply to colleges while Holden refused to do that which got him expelled from the school. Mr.Spencer, the ill but Holden's former history teacher is also like a mentor and person who lies these expectations as Holden always goes to him for support and advice while Mr.Spencer deals with Holden's grades and the steps into his future.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272047 Section 2: Sept. 25th [Chapters 6-10] khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272048 Discuss the social conflict your protagonist faces. Who (or what?) is the antagonist? What is the protagonist’s biggest conflict? Does your protagonist get along with her/his peer group? Why or why not? How might this conflict be resolved; How might the antagonist be overcome? → Can you make any predictions?

Discussion:
Holden has close connections with his roommates at Pencey such as Stradlater and Ackley, however he got into a brutal and bloody fight with Stradlater due to having too much beliefs of superiority. Although Stradlater is an antagonist in this section, Holden's mental illness' are also a part of conflicts that Holden has to go up against in throughout the story because it is a big part of his mental health and affects him in different parts of his daily life. Holden's biggest antagonist is Stradlater and things that revolve around him such as school, family and friends because he is very individual when it comes to him maturing to adulthood. Holden did somewhat get along with his peers until he had the fight which made him make a big decision to pack his stuff and leave Pencey a few days early. Conflict with Stradlater may never be resolved as Holden has now left Pencey forever and has no business to go back. The other conflict with his mental health may not be resolved as it is a mental illness, however it may be coped throughout his life with it.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272048 Section 3: Oct. 2nd [Chapters 11-15] khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272049 Discuss symbols. What are the symbols in your novel and what do they symbolize? What do you think are the most important 2 or 3 symbols? What do they suggest about the protagonist and/or the conflict the protagonist faces?

  1. Holden’s hunting hat
Represents his independence, he mentions that every time he wears it. It also represents his uniqueness because the hat is a hunting hat and it is very unusual for a person to wear it casually. He loves to stand out, however he sometimes feels that he is self-conscious to wear it. His hunting hat is red, just like his siblings hair, which could symbolize the strong connections he has/had with Phoebe and Allie.

2. Phoebe
His younger sister Phoebe is described as a very innocent, smart, clever girl and has a strong connection/bond with Holden. Because Holden calls her when he is in a place of problem, she could possibly represent intelligence.

3. The ducks in the pond
Symbolizes his childhood characteristics, innocence, and immaturity because the question of “where do the ducks go when the lake is frozen?” is a very curious question from Holden which brings out his innocent side. Depending on how the cab driver and the people responding to his question, it seems as if Holden is very innocent, naive and youthful because not a lot of matured adults ask those questions. It symbolizes how Holden is still in the early stages of his coming-to-age journey as he seems that he lacks experience in life. It also symbolizes and relates to Holden’s fears as he is afraid of change and disappearance as he didn’t take his brother's death well as well as is nervous for if the ducks die out or get taken away. 

4. Pond
The pond is descripted as “partly frozen, and partly not frozen” metaphorically representing his childhood to becoming an adulthood.

5. Death
Symbolizes Holden’s fears because after Allie’s death, he seems that he hasn’t been recovering well and his life has been going downhill after it, such as smashing the garage windows, his mom being more ill and not being able to say goodbye to anything, even if it’s not a major part of his life. 

6.Holden
Represents the coming of ages from childhood to adulthood with rebellion against raised expectations for him and anger. 

7. Winter
Winter is usually symbolized as old, aging, loneliness, and usually represents a renewal chapter in life or an end to a chapter in life. It is also used alongside a message relating to painful scenes which could be Holden’s brothers loss and expel from pencey prep.


]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272049 Section 4: Oct. 9th [Chapters 16-20] khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272050 DEVISE YOUR OWN DISCUSSION! Look at the questions you’ve generated so far and the issues you are dying to discuss… Then write 1 OR 2 REALLY AWESOME ANALYTICAL questions and discuss :) Write your questions below:
  1. What is Holden's progress through his coming of age journey? So far, what have been the major events and their significance in the story.

Four fifths into the book and  

  1. Why is Holden so desperate to try and reach out towards his past relationships
]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272050 Section 5: Oct. 16th [Chapters 21-26] khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272051 Discuss resolution. Discuss any or all of these topics:           
1. How are the conflicts you talked about resolved?
Some major conflicts were resolved in the last few chapter and even the last few pages of the novel:
1. His conflict with Depression (Character vs. Self) - Though it was only momentarily, Holden for the first time throughout the entire book "felt so damn happy"(275). This marks a triumph over the depression that plagued him throughout the entire book
2. His conflict with school (Character vs. Society) - Throughout the novel we have seen Holden express his displeasure with school from the phonies to the classes to the "phony" nature of the inner workings of schools and the society based around it. However even after his complaints we see him go back to school showing his persistance to continue his education and maybe even a vision of a better future.
2. Is it a satisfying end? Why or why not?
Yes, because some of the major conflicts, such as holden against his mental illness' were not resolved, however they were improved as he finally got the chance to feel happiness and understand different aspects in his life.
3. Would you read more books by this author?
Yes
4. Would you recommend this novel? If so, to what type of person?
We would recommend this book to those needing a good in depth novel for english class because it is very engaging for a insightful book and has a diverse amount of literary devices throughout the book.

We would recommend this book to a person interested in unique plots, interesting journeys from childhood to adulthood, and generally meanings behind aspects in the text

5. What surprised you about the end? Why?
One surprising aspect was how holden finally found himself in a state of peace and happiness, especially at the resulting scene with Phoebe. He was able to realize that happiness is within the time he is living in and not always something major to look forward to. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272051 Instructions: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272059 Use this column to record significant quotes from the section you have read. It has been pre-populated with 3 boxes below, but you are welcome to add more boxes to the column. MAKE SURE TO CITE PAGE NUMBERS!! In your analysis, make specific reference to literary devices and elements. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272059 Quote: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272061 "I mean I left  schools before and places I didn't even know I was leaving them. I hate that. I don't care if it's a sad good-by or a bad good-by, but when I leave a place I like to know I'm leaving it. If you don't, you feel even worse" (4)
Analysis:
This passage in the introduction of the novel emphasizes Holden's emotion towards connections with people. He is describing that leaving a place behind doesn't allow you to have strong relations with people. It shows his sense of sensitivity when it comes to socializing. This could possibly also be because he didn't get to have a proper goodbye to his younger brother, Allie, who passed away from Leukemia suddenly showing how Holden likes to properly acknowledge the end of his chapters. This also makes a point on Holden's inability to say good-bye as he still has PTSD from his brother's loss which makes it difficult for Holden to say "good-bye" even though Pencey Prep was not pleasant for him.

This quote also applies to the coming-of-age archetype because the author is highlighting another "end" of Holden's childhood chapter. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272061 Quote: "What really knocks me out is a book that, when you're all done reading it, you wish the author that wrote is was a terrific friend of yours and you could call him up on the phone whenever you felt like it. That doesn't happen much, though" (25) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272062 Analysis: This quote from "The catcher in the Rye" reveals us the characterization of Holden. Although he is someone who is regularly flunking his classes, and schools for that matter, he still enjoys some aspects of the learning process. He adores the ecstasy of reading a good book, in fact he likes it so much he even goes on to say that he wishes he could call up the author whenever he felt like it. Despite him not being interested in much, if he finds the things that are to his liking he will undoubtedly be invested into it. It shows that he isn't necessarily the bad, flunking student he was made out to be, but instead a rather complex and realistic character who just doesn't fit the societal mold.

This applies to the coming of age archetype as it reveals to us that Holden has much to change and develop, and may in time fit this societal mold he has come to despise.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272062 Quote: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272063 "'Did you (Holden) have any particular qualms about leaving Pency?' (Mr. Spencer)
'Oh I have a few qualms, all right. Sure... but not too many. Not yet, anyway. I guess it hasn't really hit me yet. It takes things a while to hit me. All I'm doing right now is thinking about going home Wednesday. I'm a moron.'
(Holdon)
'Do you feel absolutely no concern for your future, boy?' (Spencer)
'Oh I feel some concern all right. Sure. Sure I do' I though about it for a minute. 'But not too much, I guess. Not too much, I guess.'" (19-20)

Analysis: This dialogue excerpt from "the Catcher in the Rye" shows Holden's relative innocence at the beginning of the novel. While he talks to his history teacher Mr.Spencer, he talks of how he'll miss going to Pency yet he doesn't know when or in a matter of fact why. In a sense this paints Holden (at this stage)as a sort of naive character who is not exactly thinking everything through and waiting for things to 'hit him' instead of doing something about it. Later on in their conversation we learn of Holden and his lack of concern for his future which once again gives evidence to his relative innocence as he seems to have not a single clue where he will be going in life.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272063 Question:Why is holden specifically really interested in the duck question when he could easily research about it? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272065 Answer:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272065 Question: Will Holden lose his virginity through the book? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272066 Answer: No]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272066 Quote: "Well, you know the ducks that swim around in it? In springtime and all? Do you happen to know where they go in wintertime, by any chance?" khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272067 Analysis: Holden's constant query about the ducks and what happens to them in the wintertime when the lake freezes over is a representation of his innocence, youthfulness and curiosity. During his queries, he shows an innocent side of him, one that is often shouldered aside by his cynical personality. His ceaseless curiosity and his willingness to solve this mystery shows that he is not an adult yet, and can still enjoy the small things like 'where do the ducks go?'.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272067 Quote:“Then he smacked me” (103) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272068 Analysis:
This quote is during the scene when Holden thinks he's ready to practice losing his virginity with a prostitute, however he isn't and Maurice and Sunny says he needs to pay extra because of a "misunderstanding". This represents his coming-to-age step from childhood to adulthood because part of the expectations in Holden's life is to be more experienced as a teenager as he grows up and this was a real life situation where he was beat up increasing his experience in real life. It also represents his coming-of-age in another way, which is losing his virginity because it is something he's been interested for a long time and had close-call experiences with, however he decides to back out.]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272068 Quote: “If you want to know the truth, I’m a virgin. I really am” (92) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272069 This quote characterizes Holden as a very naive, innocent and youthful character at the beginning stages of the coming-to-age archetype as he hasn’t had a lot of experience with sex however he is very interested in it. His interest not only represents his interest in sex but for other stages in his coming life. It also characterizes Holden as a very self-controlled and responsible person although he is generally characterized as a rebellious teen because he has the ability to hold his intentions and wants unlike many other people in his age group: 
  • “She keeps telling you to stop...The trouble with me is, I stop” (92)
]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272069 Quote:“Stop screaming at me, please” (132)“I apologized like a madman, but she wouldn’t accept my apology” (13) khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272072 Analysis:
At the moment, Holden has just entered the descend into darkness step of the coming-to-age archetype. This is seen through all of the "trials" such as the time when he goes on a date with Sally Hayes, and for a drink with Luce. I think that the major descend in Holden's life at the moment are his mental illness' because he said that he lights his matches when he is very anxious and he did that on his date with Sally, he also mentions that everything depresses him and constatnly reiterates the words "it depresses me", and also how the people he talks to tells him to slow down and speak more calmly/softly as he tends to scream when his mental illness' aren't stable.

These (evidences above) support that his mental illness' are the "descending into darkness" stage in the coming-of-age archetype because it is mentioned more frequently throughout the book and Holden pays more attention towards it now. ]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272072 Quote: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272073 Analysis:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272073 Quote: khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272075 Analysis:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272075 Question:Why is Holden constantly getting more depressed, as well as repetitively saying phrases such as "just for the hell of it" and "it depresses me"? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272076 Answer:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272076 Question:Why does Holden wish Phoebe to not attend his funeral similar to how he missed Allie's funeral? khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272078 Answer:]]> 2020-09-11 00:00:21 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/737272078 Instructions khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757349981 Take note of the most important evidence of the Coming-of-Age archetype by record evidence that points to these STAGES in your book. These should be in the form of quick bullet points, as opposed to long summaries. They should also be in your OWN words. Complete this before leaping into the weekly discussion. INCLUDE PAGE NUMBERS TO HELP GUIDE YOU BACK TO THIS EVIDENCE.  ]]> 2020-09-18 00:24:42 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757349981 1) Character begins in INNOCENCE. khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350243 Evidence: "[...]you know the ducks that swim around in it? Do you happen to know where they go in wintertime, by any chace?" (ch 12)

His curiosity about the ducks shows his genuine more child like side, which contrasts his more grumpy personality.]]> 2020-09-18 00:24:50 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350243 2) The character is compelled, usually by outside forces, to face difficult TRIALS khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350413 Evidence:
- "All of a sudden, I decided what I'd really do, I'd get the hell out of Pency - right that same night and all. I mean not wait till Wednesday or anything. I just didn't want to hang around anymore. It made me too sad an lonesome."

-"All I know is I got up from bed, and then I tried to sock him, with all my might, right smack in the toothbrush, so it would split his goddam throat open.[...] You never saw such gore in your life. I had blood all over my mouth and chin and even on my pajamas and bath robe. I'd only been in about
two fights in my life, and I lost both of them."

"Then he smacked me. I didn't even try to get out of the way or duck or anything. All I felt was this terrific punch in my stomach."]]> 2020-09-18 00:24:55 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350413 3) His trials lead into at least one awful trial called her DESCENT INTO DARKNESS khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350746 Evidence:
-"Now I was on
the way to the bathroom to get a good shot of bourbon or something to steady my nerves and help me really go into action. I pictured myself coming out of the goddam bathroom, dressed and all, with my automatic in my pocket, and staggering around a little bit."

- "I thought probably I'd get pneumonia and die. I started picturing millions of jerks coming to my funeral and all." (200)

- "Then I thought about the whole bunch of them sticking me in a goddamn cemetery and all, with my name on this tombstone and all. Surrounded by dead guys...Who wants flowers when your dead? Nobody." (201) ]]> 2020-09-18 00:25:05 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350746 4) He completes HEROIC ACTS along the way khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350944 Evidence: "They let me give them ten bucks as a contribution. They kept asking me if I was sure I could afford it and all." (chapter 15, talk with nuns)

"The first record store I went into had a copy of "Little Shirley Beans" They charged my five bucks for it, because it was so hard to get, but I didn't care. Boy it made me so happy all of a sudden. I could hardly wait to get to the park to see if old Phoebe was around so that I could give it to her"

"I was afraid some teacher would catch me rubbing it off and would think I'd written it. But I rubbed it out anyway, finally." (holden getting rid of 'f you' writing in school so younger people dont see it)]]> 2020-09-18 00:25:11 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757350944 5) MENTORS help guide him all along the way khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757351184 Evidence:
Mr. Spencer
- "I'd like to put some sense in that head of yours, boy. I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you, if I can."

Luce
- "He (Luce) knew quite a lot about sex, especially perverts and all."
- "Listen, Let's get one thing straight. I refuse to answer and typical Caulfield question tonight. When the hell are you going to grow up?"
- "You (Luce) mean go to a psychoanalyst and all?"

Phoebe
- "You don't like anything that's happening [...] because you don't. you don't like any schools. you don't like a million things. you don't"

"I was still sitting on the edge of the bed when I did it, and she put her old arm around my neck and I put my arm around her, too, but I still could not stop for a long time."

Mr. Antolini
- "Among other things, you'll find that you're not the first person who was ever confused and frightened and even sickened by human behavior. You're by no means alone on that score, you'll be excited and stimulated to know" (antolini lecture to holden about what holden needs to do from this point onward) (in chapter 24)

"This fall I think you're riding for--it's a special kind of fall, a horrible kind. The man falling isn't permitted to feel or hear himself hit bottom. He just keeps falling and falling. The whole arrangement's designed for men who, at some time or other in their lives, were looking for something their own environment couldn't supply them with. Or they thought their own environment couldn't supply them with. So they gave up looking. They gave it up before they ever really even got started." (chapter 24, antolini lecture)]]> 2020-09-18 00:25:18 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757351184 6) And eventually he reaches ACHIEVEMENT OF KNOWLEDGE, which shows his maturity and growth, proving he is no longer an innocent child khanb4_5 https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757351408 Evidence:
"What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff--I mean if they're running
"I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy, if you want to know the truth" (end chapter 25)

"Then, all of a sudden, I started to cry. I couldn't help it"]]> 2020-09-18 00:25:25 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/757351408 Quote:“I’d only been in about two fights in my life, and I lost both of them” (end of 45) tsuchiyaa https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/777914850 Analysis:
This quote characterizes Holden and puts him in the beginning stages of the coming-to-age archetype because it defines how he is innocent, immature and naive to the high school society at school where guys frequently have fights and beat each other up. This phrase also highlights Holden's traits because it shows how he stays out of danger:

“I’m a pacifist, if you want to know the truth” (46)]]> 2020-09-25 00:33:10 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/777914850 Quote: tsuchiyaa https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/777917662 “I put on my red hunting cap when I was in the cab, just for the hell of it” (61)

“I didn’t want to look like a screwball or something” (61)

Analysis:
These quotes symbolizes the hat that Holden wears frequently. Based on the context of the story, it symbolizes Holden's individuality, rebellion, and journey to his adulthood life. He doesn't wear it in public because he feels that he'll be judged, however he wears it in other times. It represents his social life because he wears it more frequently throughout the book as he is maturing into the adulthood life. ]]> 2020-09-25 00:34:28 UTC https://padlet.com/khanb4_5/qq91jrfw3c94aj5y/wish/777917662