Catch-22 - 8th Hr by Mary Clinkert https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75 Catch-22 connections to source texts and your life en-us 2017-03-06 17:19:01 UTC 2017-03-26 20:01:55 UTC hello@padlet.com J.T. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158154793 1. Omelas and The Lottery, Lifeboat ethics, Singer solution.

2.They explore this idea by saying that the only way to do a certain thing is by either keeping a child locked into a basement or stoning someone to death after a drawing. There is no other solution people will accept like letting the child out or no longer doing the lottery.

3. I personally can not describe or remember a time when I saw a Catch 22 in my life but I can provide an example. Perhaps someone is very poor and they can not land a job anywhere. No place will hire them and eventually they will end up on the street. Maybe the only solution is to start stealing but if he or she is caught they will go to jail.

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  • The sources that we have read that explore this concept is Omelas,Singer, Hardin,and The Lottery.
  • The following authors explore the concept of Catch-22 when they illustrate the concept through what they talk about and wrote about throughout the story to help us better understand the concept a little better. 
  • I see “catch-22” at HHS when the deans made a new rule that doesn’t allow kids to leave the building when they have detention hours they need to serve. This rule applies when they want to leave for their blended hours or when they want to have off campus lunch. 

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  • Omelas, Lifeboat Ethics: The Case Against Helping the Poor
  • “Omelas” explores this concept because if you save the child and make him/her happy, the town will then suffer. However, if you keep the town happy, the child will then suffer. In “Lifeboat Ethics,” it has somewhat of a catch-22 because it describes that helping poor or less fortunate people than ourselves can actually cause more damage in the long run, but at the same time, if people don’t help the poor then they will still be suffering.  
  • I have had the issue before of not being able to adequately balance homework, and having to choose between spending a fair amount of time on one assignment and then not performing too well or at all on another assignment, or spending small amounts of time on all of them but then not having enough time to complete them well. 
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  • Texts that have explored the idea of a catch 22 thus far include: Singers solution to world poverty, The Ones the Walked Away From Omelas, and it’s even partly explored in Lifeboat Ethics. 
  • They explore the concept by showing that one decision goes against the individual while the other goes against the society.
  • Catch 22 in my life: school is supposed to “prepare you for the real world”. Most kids that just graduate from high school feel/ are unprepared for colleges, careers, profit increase,  etc.

    • ]]>     2017-03-06 19:50:01 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158157078     BM https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158157266 1.) Omelas, The Lottery, Lifeboat-Ethics, and Singer Solution to World Poverty.

    2.) They explore the concept of catch-22 by showing how if we are going to help the poor stricken people of this world thrive, we will have to sacrifice a lot of things that aren't necessities but things that help our quality of life.

    3.) A simple example of catch-22 in my life would be doing homework. I really badly do not want to do it because I just want to relax with everything that is going on but if I do relax, then my grades will drop and I will have to suffer the consequences.


    ]]>     2017-03-06 19:50:30 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158157266     K C. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158157919 Sources was from the “ Ones who walked away from Omelas’, and also could be “ Lifeboat ethics “ and “ The Lottery”. 

    Authors explore these concepts by defining the life in the story and basically making a set of rules for those people in the story. 

    Catch-22 I can see it being at HHS. We do the same things everyday where there is “ no escape” for us. What I mean by that is that we have to go to the same classes everyday and if we don't do that we face consequences


    ]]>     2017-03-06 19:52:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158157919     M.R. and H.S. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158388
  • The lottery explores this concept.
  • In the Lottery if your family gets chosen one of you are going to die and there is no way out.
  • A catch-22 in my life would be once you post something on social media. Once you post something people will screenshot it and it is going to be out there forever and there is no way of getting out of it.
  • In HHS a catch-22 would be when you have to go to school, I mean you could always drop out, but then there will be more consequences.
  • In the community a catch-22 would be having to stop at red lights/ stop signs because if you don’t you will get killed.

    • ]]>     2017-03-06 19:53:43 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158388     VH vanessa_m_herrera https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158666 I feel as if The ones that walk away from Omelas talks about the concept Catch 22 by the society not leaving the town because they do not have the ability to walk away from the town where there is no guilt.

    I feel as if in my life there is no escape from your own mind. I feel as if you are always stuck listening to your own thoughts.

    ]]>     2017-03-06 19:54:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158666     G. Y. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158866 A source text that we’ve read that explores the ‘catch-22’, would be “Singer Solution to World Poverty”. In this, he explains how helping the world’s poorer nations and classes would be a wonderful thing to do, which most everyone can agree that it is, but the catch would be that to do so, you would have to donate most of one’s material possessions and donate any excess currency that they have.

    Normally authors who use a catch-22 do so in a harsh manner, leading the reader to believe something good and wonderful is happening, that there isn’t anything wrong, until the catch actually appears, like it does so in “Omelas”.

    The biggest catch-22 that I personally see in life is for jobs. Most jobs require you to have experience to actually be hired; But the problem is, you need a job to gain experience, but aren’t hired due to lack of experience.
    ]]>     2017-03-06 19:55:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158866     S.K. seth_d_kazminski https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158900  1) Omelas 

    2)   The author used the sense of guilt of people wanting to help the kid, but if they do the consequences would be severe. 

    3)  I see the Catch-22 concept to apply to everyone's lives that they want to break from the norm and be a pioneer of some sorts, but certain things in their lives hold them back from achieving these goals that can include money, friends, family, religion, social class, race, gender, Etc.

    ]]>     2017-03-06 19:55:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158900     JV https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158946 1. It is used in Lifeboat Ethics, Omelas and the lottery
    2.     They write about stories that convey a situation where a character cannot escape a situation and will have to face the consequences of the situation whether they enjoy the task at hand or not.
    3. I see the phrase “Catch-22” applied to my life in places such as at HHS, or pretty much anywhere in the world. I see this all over because, everyday somewhere around me, someone is dealing with a situation that they cannot escape or feel that they cannot escape, of something that could either benefit them or hurt them. But either way I see it all over the place throughout the world.]]>     2017-03-06 19:55:33 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158158946     T.B. taylor_c_bradley https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158159085 1. Omelas, The Lottery
    2. In Omelas, that Catch 22 they can either be “happy” in the town, knowing that there is a child suffering to make their lives better, or they can leave the utopia and fend for themselves, possibly making their own suffering. There is no good path to go down where everyone is happy.
    In The Lottery, they can either watch one of their neighbors- possibly a child like Little Dave- be stoned to death and partake in said stoning, or try to defend their friends and possibly be stoned or worse themselves.
    3. I see a Catch 22 when I think about deciding what college to go to. I can either do my best to get tuition money for ISU, leave my family, take a huge risk, and possibly hate it. OR I can go to MCC for two years and continue to live with my family struggles and sheltered life. Either way I’m not sure I’ll be totally happy/satisfied. 
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  • Omelas, Lifeboat ethics, Catcher in the rye, 
  • Omelas: Save the city but bring destruction, Lifeboat: Share resources or give them, but corrupt everything they have created for themselves in the end, Catcher in the rye: Ask for help, but be discovered by others, who may look down upon you. 
  • In my life: Hang out with friends or play games to much, but in the process your grades fall if you do not even it out!

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  • I think that Omelas is an example of a catch-22 because the author tells about how the people of Omelas know the child is not being treated well but they do nothing to stop it or try to help it. The Lottery is another example of catch-22 because people know that stoning somebody is not good and that they should stop but nobody speaks up until it affects them.
  • The authors explore this concept by showing how we know that there is bad in the world yet most people do nothing to stop it because it does not affect them and their lives. People think that if does not have anything to do with them then it is not there problem and they shouldn’t have to fix it. 
  • I do see how this is apart of my life and the community around me. There are things in my life that I see people do that are wrong yet I do anything about it because it has no affect on my life and how I live it. And I’m sure other people do the same exact thing too. 

    • ]]>     2017-03-06 19:57:00 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158159405     K.J https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158160650  Omelas, Lifeboat Ethics, and Singer’s Solution to world poverty. 

     The authors  show catch 22 by having the people in these stories  live life in a certain way and have them go through different situations and see how they would react

     In my life a catch 22 is having a set routine in the more once you get use to it, there is no real escape once you get in a routine/rut.  




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  • Omelas and The Lottery explore this concept of Catch-22 because they both have a problem in both that people chose to ignore. For example in The Lottery they all hold this event where they pick a name of a person to stone to death and no one speaks up about how wrong it is or maybe even acknowledge what they are doing is wrong because it is a “tradition” in their community. WIth Omelas they have this boy hid in a cellar knowing he is suffering just to make everyone else happy and no one acknowledges what they are doing is wrong because it is what they are used to.
  • I see this at HHS when people make fun of one another because they don't necessarily dress or act like everyone else and this occurs a lot but yet no one thinks twice about what we are doing or what effect it has on that person because it is something that is always done and what will probably continue to be done because in our eyes it is a “tradition” or what is considered normal.

    • ]]>     2017-03-06 20:02:03 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158160981     ?????? https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158163877  1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

     2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

     3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

     4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

     5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

     6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

     7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

     8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

     9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

     10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

     11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

     12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

     13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

     14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

     15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

     16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

     17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

     18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    ]]>     2017-03-06 20:10:23 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158163877     MC mclinkert https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158424841 Not exactly what was asked for in Padlet, but wanted to draw your attention to this definition:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)#cite_note-1
    A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules.[1][2] The term was coined by Joseph Heller, who used it in his 1961 novel Catch-22.
    An example would be:
    "How am I supposed to gain experience [to be hired for a job] if I'm constantly turned down for not having any?"[3]

    Catch-22s often result from rules, regulations, or procedures that an individual is subject to but has no control over because to fight the rule is to accept it. Another example is a situation in which someone is in need of something that can only be had by not being in need of it. (A bank will never issue someone a loan if they need the money.) One connotation of the term is that the creators of the "catch-22" situation have created arbitrary rules in order to justify and conceal their own abuse of power.

    Ms. C.
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  • Sources we’ve seen Catch-22 in…
    • The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas
    Lifeboat Ethics
    The Singer Solution to World Poverty
    1. How have those authors explored it?
    Peter Singer had addressed that if you either gave a child to some people for his/her organs and got money from them, or let that child die in the street. Either way he would die no matter which you picked. In Lifeboat Ethics Garrett Hardin talked about the World Food Bank where people can donate food into the bank and people can take food out if they need it, countries donating and countries taking. In the short run it would help the poorer countries with their food issue, but in the long run they will increase in population even more and the demand for food will go up so the rest of the countries that are donating won’t be able to keep up and soon enough they’re back to square one before the bank.
    1. Catch-22 in my Life.
    Right now in my life at HHS when I go for help on my work I end up still not knowing what I’m doing and then I still fail the quizzes and tests, either way, if I try to get help or not I fail.

    ]]>     2017-03-07 19:42:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158478279     CR connor_j_ray https://padlet.com/mclinkert/qo4slh4noi75/wish/158798749 1. In Omelas when the kid is locked in the room he can't get out and no one will let him out.

    2. They explore this concept by having a group or people or one person be in a ¨catch-22¨ situation with no way out.

    3. In my life this concept goes with school because there is no escape because if I drop out then my future will highly be impacted.

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