Is there a need to disavow links after Penguin 4.0 ? by PRASAD GUJAR https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze en-us 2018-10-04 11:24:08 UTC 2018-10-11 11:20:28 UTC hello@padlet.com 1514040 hussain_r https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/289061307 "Penguin is now more granular. Penguin now devalues spam by adjusting ranking based on spam signals, rather than affecting ranking of the whole site."

The questions which still remains are as follow:
  • When Google says they are “adjusting ranking,” could that also be negative adjustments?
  • Can Penguin possibly demote rankings for certain pages rather than affecting the whole site?
  • Can Penguin possibly demote rankings for certain keywords rather than affecting the whole site?
Therefore disavow is still required but  not by all site owner there are particular case such as:
  • For sites under obvious negative SEO attacks etc.
]]> 2018-10-04 11:27:11 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/289061307 1514021 Soham Hichkad soham_hichkad https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291552234 In the past years, the SEO landscape has changed considerably. With the release of the Penguin 4.0, disavowing links may have just turned into a thing of the past. However, it never hurts to be absolutely certain that nothing is hurting your rankings. So, disavow when needed, but trust that Penguin 4.0 has your back.

Link :https://moz.com/blog/do-we-still-need-to-disavow-penguin]]> 2018-10-11 04:12:41 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291552234 Hinal Panchal hinal_panchal https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291564864 It has been six months since the launch of Penguin 4.0.
It took ages for Google to release this update, but when they did, it was much more fair than previous versions of Penguin. Previous versions of Penguin would cause entire sites to be suppressed if the algorithm thought that you'd engaged in manipulative link building. Even if a site did a thorough link cleanup, the suppression would remain present until Google re-ran the Penguin algorithm and recognized your cleanup efforts. 
the new version of Penguin that was released in September of 2016 no longer suppresses sites,
Now, instead of causing a sitewide demotion when Penguin detects spam, they’ll simply devalue that spam so that it can’t help improve a site’s rankings.]]> 2018-10-11 05:55:00 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291564864 1514030 mohamedtaqi_m https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291574989  
With the Penguin 4.0 update the feature of disavow is done by the feature at update. I.e it blocks the spam site which try linking to your web-page or website. Which concludes that to disavow links which is a manual process is not needed after Penguin 4.0 but if anyone wants to be sure none of the spam sites link to his/her website then he can definitely do it on safe side. 
]]> 2018-10-11 06:45:44 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291574989 1514004-Vishal Jain v_jain https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291578842 The need to disavow links after Penguin 4.0 are:

  1. For sites that have made links for SEO purposes on a large scale – If you or an SEO company on your behalf made links in low-quality directories, low-quality article sites, bookmark sites, or as comment spam, then these need to be cleaned up. Here's more information on what makes a link a low-quality link. You can also run links past my disavow blacklist if you're not sure whether it’s a good one or not. Low-quality links like this are probably being devalued by Penguin, but they're the type of link that could lead to a manual unnatural links penalty if you happen to get a manual review by the webspam team and they haven’t been disavowed.
  2. For sites that previously had a manual action for unnatural links – I've found that if a site has enough of a spam problem to get an unnatural links penalty, then that site usually ends up collecting more spam links over the years. Sometimes this is because low-quality directories pop up and scrape info from other low-quality directories. Sometimes it's because old automated link-generating processes keep on running. And sometimes I don’t have an explanation, but spammy links just keep appearing. In most cases, sites that have a history of collecting unnatural links tend to continue to collect them. If this is the case for you, then it’s best to disavow those on a regular basis (either monthly or quarterly) so that you can avoid getting another manual action.
  3. For sites under obvious negative SEO attacks – The key here is the word "obvious." I do believe that in most cases, Google is able to figure out that spam links pointed at a site are links to be ignored. However, at SMX West this year, Gary Illyes said that the algorithm can potentially make mistakes:If you have a bunch of pharma and porn links pointing at your site, it’s not a bad idea to disavow them, but actually in most cases I just ignore these. Where I do recommend disavowing for negative SEO attacks is when the links pointing at your site contain anchors for keywords for which you want to rank. If it’s possible that a webspam team member could look at your link profile and think that there are a lot of links there that exist just for SEO reasons, then you want to be sure that those are cleaned up.

Link:https://moz.com/blog/do-we-still-need-to-disavow-penguin
]]> 2018-10-11 07:01:59 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291578842 1514007 Mehul Bhnaushali mehul_bhanhshali https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291586514 In some cases, the answer to this is yes. If you have links that are obviously there for mostly SEO reasons, then it's best to disavow these so that they don’t cause you to get a manual action in the future. Also, we want to be sure that Google isn't using these links in any sort of algorithmic calculations that take link quality into account. Remember, it’s not just Penguin that uses links.

I think that it is unlikely that filing a disavow will cause a site to see a big improvement in rankings, unless the site is using it to recover from a sitewide manual action. Others will disagree with me, however. In fact, a recent Moz blog post showed a possible recovery from an algorithmic suppression shortly after a site filed a disavow. I think that, in this case, the recovery may have been due to a big algorithm change that SEOs call Fred that happened at the same time, rather than the filing of a disavow file.]]> 2018-10-11 07:30:40 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291586514 1514025 Niket Kini niket_kini https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291601121 In my opinion , the links should be disavowed after penguin 4.0 because mostly these links are for SEO reasons and if not disavowed they may affect the page rank beacuse google uses these links in page rank calculations . Therefore , to be on the safer side , Such links should be disavowed]]> 2018-10-11 08:23:01 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291601121 Answer: alekh_shah https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291608536 Alekh Shah (1414110)

ANS:
Few reasons we should still disavow are:
1) Manual actions still exist
  • You do NOT want to risk getting a manual unnatural links penalty.
  • If you have an unnatural link profile and you leave it up to Penguin to devalue your links rather than disavowing, then you’re at risk for getting a manual action.

2) There are other algorithms that use links
  • Link quality has always been important to Google. 
  • I believe that Penguin is just one way in which Google fights against unnatural links algorithmically.
  •  One example of another algorithm that likely uses links is the Payday Loans algorithm.
  • This algorithm isn’t just for payday loans sites; it also affects sites in many high-competition verticals.

3) Can we trust that Penguin is able to devalue all spam pointing to our site?

The official announcement from Google on Penguin is here. Here's what it says about devaluing as opposed to demoting:

"Penguin is now more granular. Penguin now devalues spam by adjusting ranking based on spam signals, rather than affecting ranking of the whole site."

This statement is not clear to me. I have questions:

  • When Google says they are “adjusting ranking,” could that also be negative adjustments?
  • Can Penguin possibly demote rankings for certain pages rather than affecting the whole site?
  • Can Penguin possibly demote rankings for certain keywords rather than affecting the whole site?

As posted above, we received some clarification on this from Google employees in a Facebook post (and again via tweets) to tell us that Penguin 4.0 doesn’t penalize, but rather devalues spam. However, these are not official statements from Google. These statements may mean that we never have to worry about any link pointing to our site ever again. Perhaps? Or they could mean that there's less need to worry than there was previously.

References:https://moz.com/blog/do-we-still-need-to-disavow-penguin


]]> 2018-10-11 08:49:00 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291608536 1514028 Dhrumil Mehta dhrumil_m https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291623255 TO DISAVOW LINKS OR NOT: IS IT NECESSARY IN A POST REAL-TIME PENGUIN WORLD?
LINK BUILDING

The more relevant sites linking to your domain, the better it is for your rankings, correct? But, what happens to your site when non-relevant (or worse, spam) ones decide to start linking to you instead? These irrelevant sites linking to you could end up pulling down your ranking, and you can get penalized by Google for it. To avoid this, Google gave an amazing solution to this problem via the Disavow Tool in October of 2012. With this, one could separate the good from the bad backlinks.

This is also one of the reasons the launch of Penguin 4.0 on September 23, 2016, was a welcome change among site owners everywhere. While it took quite some time for Google to finally release the update, many would agree that the wait was worth it. In a nutshell, Google released the Penguin update to detect spam automatically. More impressively, the Penguin 4.0 update runs in real time when it comes to recognizing your site cleanup efforts, thereby eliminating the effect of your site being suppressed up until the next time they run the algorithm. That is, Penguin 4.0 stops your site from getting demoted when a spam is detected. Instead, it will just devalue that link and allow you to move on without benefiting (or suffering) from its presence.

While this update is definitely impressive, a crucial question now comes up among site owners: Is it still necessary to disavow links now that we are in a post real-time Penguin era?


WHAT IS THE DISAVOW TOOL?

The Disavow Tool has long been regarded as a necessary precaution for every site owner. Basically, it gives publishers a voice to tell Google that there are external sites they do not wish to be associated with. This is especially crucial whenever the search engine giant is ranking websites since number and quality of backlinks are two of the factors considered.

What happens is that a site owner creates a file that indicates the URLs or domains they do not approve of backlinking to them, and this is then uploaded to Google. When Google starts to crawl the web and stumbles upon the specific URL or domain included in the disavow file you gave them, these will no longer be included in the calculations when ranking your website. Apart from that, the Penguin algorithm will also disregard the links when it evaluates whether or not you’ve been web spamming.


WHAT IS PENGUIN 4.0 AND WHAT DOES IT DO?

Google launched Penguin as a webspam algorithm. It does not just specialize in links or domains but evaluates your site’s participation in any web spamming activity. It is essentially a filter exhaustive enough to isolate sites that are engaged in spamming the search results using measures that are against Google’s policies. Penguin is more powerful than the regular spamming methods used by the search engine.

Consequently, sites deemed as “spammy” would be punished regardless of their remedies after their violations. It would only be until the next instance that the algorithm is run that Google would note the changes – a process that could have months in intervals.

The release of Penguin 4.0 completely changed this system.

With the latest update, the corrections and changes from “spammy” sites could be noted in real time. This means that sites tagged with faulty or bad backlinks or domains no longer have to suffer for months until the next time the algorithm is run. So during the regular recrawling and reindexing of pages by Google, the sites could easily and quickly be added or removed from the spam list because Penguin 4.0 provides real-time updates.

Whole websites would no longer be demoted when web spamming activities are detected. Instead of doing this, Google would simply disregard or devalue the spammy links and exclude them in the calculations for site rankings. Ultimately, this latest update eliminated the punitive aspect of the algorithm.


THE DILEMMA AND GOOGLE’S RESPONSE TO THE DISAVOW TOOL

With the release of the Penguin 4.0 update, many publishers feel that the Disavow Tool has become redundant. In the beginning, this tool was provided by Google to supplement Penguin. However, the devaluation abilities coupled with the non-demotion of sites caught web spamming push site owners to question the purpose of disavowing.

Google’s Webmaster Trends Analyst John Mueller says that site owners should disavow links when these are incredibly problematic. However, you can simply just not disavow links that are no longer relevant to your site. Mueller basically says that if you are conducting site maintenance or applying some changes to your site, then you no longer need to include disavowing links in your list of things to do. With the launch of Penguin 4.0, site owners would only need to use the Disavow Tool for pressing matters like spotting an alarming link or domain associating with your site.

You also no longer need to disavow for links associated with items or services you no longer offer. Mueller notes that it’s normal to accumulate backlinks from various sites that you may no longer deem relevant right now, but was appropriate to your company’s needs at the time. In short, site owners would only need to focus their disavowing efforts to problematic links and keep the status quo when it comes to previously relevant links.


THE TAKEAWAY

In the past years, the SEO landscape has changed considerably. With the release of the Penguin 4.0, disavowing links may have just turned into a thing of the past. However, it never hurts to be absolutely certain that nothing is hurting your rankings. So, disavow when needed, but trust that Penguin 4.0 has your back.


]]> 2018-10-11 09:34:56 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291623255 1514033-Uddesh Kadu uddesh_kadu https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291625276 Pennguin 4.0's new algorithm no longer "demotes" but rather "devalues." Demotes would mean that it would lower the rankings of a web site for doing something bad. Devalues means it would likely ignore the link spam and not downgrade the rank of the web site. It might feel like a demotion when a link is not counted. Instead of dropping down let's say 10 pages, you might only drop a page because those links no longer have any value but there is no additional demotion to your web site. So there is no need to disavow links ]]> 2018-10-11 09:41:35 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291625276 Siddharth Mishra 1514029 siddharth_mishra https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291625539 With the release of penguin 4.0 , SEO has changed drastically when it comes to to disavowing of links . There is not a need for disavowing until your site falls under any of these categories :
1. Sites that have made links for SEO purposes on large scale.
2. Sites that previously had a manual action for unnatural links.
3. For sites under obvious negative SEO attacks.]]> 2018-10-11 09:42:26 UTC https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291625539 1514010 - Nisarg Chandan nisarg_chandan https://padlet.com/prasad_gujar/qnkl5yg563ze/wish/291634949
Three reasons why I still recommend using the disavow tool

1) Manual actions still exist

You do NOT want to risk getting a manual unnatural links penalty. 

Google employee Gary Illyes commented during a podcast that, when a Google webspam team member looks at your site’s links, they can often see labels next to the links. He said the following:
“If the manual actions team is reviewing a site for whatever reason, and they see that most of the links are labeled as Penguin Real-Time affected, then they might decide to take a much deeper look on the site... and then maybe apply a manual action on the site because of the links. ”

In other words, if you have an unnatural link profile and you leave it up to Penguin to devalue your links rather than disavowing, then you’re at risk for getting a manual action.

Of course, if you actually do have a manual action, then you’ll need to use the disavow tool as part of your cleanup efforts along with manual link removal.

2) There are other algorithms that use links
Link quality has always been important to Google. I believe that Penguin is just one way in which Google fights against unnatural links algorithmically. One example of another algorithm that likely uses links is the Payday Loans algorithm. This algorithm isn’t just for payday loans sites; it also affects sites in many high-competition verticals.

Bill Slawski recently posted this interesting article on his thoughts about a recent patent filed by Google. In one place, the patent talks about a situation where a resource may have a large number of links pointing to it but there is a disproportionate amount of traffic. In cases like that, the page being linked to might actually be demoted in rankings.

Google is always trying to fight against link spam and Penguin is just one of the ways in which they do this. If there are links that are potentially causing my link profile to look spammy to Google, then I don’t want them to count in any calculations that Google is making.

3) Can we trust that Penguin is able to devalue all spam pointing to our site?

The official announcement from Google on Penguin is here. Here's what it says about devaluing as opposed to demoting:

"Penguin is now more granular. Penguin now devalues spam by adjusting ranking based on spam signals, rather than affecting ranking of the whole site."

we received some clarification on this from Google employees in a Facebook post (and again via tweets) to tell us that Penguin 4.0 doesn’t penalize, but rather devalues spam. However, these are not official statements from Google. These statements may mean that we never have to worry about any link pointing to our site ever again. Perhaps? Or they could mean that there's less need to worry than there was previously.

Personally, if business relies on Google organic rankings in order to succeed, I'm a little leery about putting all of my trust in this algorithm’s ability to ignore unnatural links and not let them hurt me.
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