https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2 Please respond to the following prompt/question: Take a firm position on who you feel the land belongs to and a possible viable solution moving forward. Please substantiate your claims by citing 2-3 examples directly from the film (Respond with 5-8 sentences). en-us 2020-12-10 18:35:59 UTC 2025-09-25 13:10:27 UTC hello@padlet.com victoriademersseman https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1012635335 I think it is obviously a very complicated issue and the film did a good job of showing both sides. I think one could make a very viable argument both ways but the one thing that really swung me into thinking that most of the land should be returned to the Mapuche is the part where the narrator mentioned that the Swiss families newest generation had little interest in continuing the farm but the land and their relationship with the land was really important to the Mapuche and was their future. While the government has been responsible in some ways for creating such a difficult situation I really don't see any way for it to be solved without more government involvement. I think the important thing when writing new legislature is to consider how it could be taken advantage of and ensure that their is minimal loopholes for either group to resort to violent retaliation. I also don't think all of the land should be returned to the Mapuche but that a compromise and a significant percentage should. ]]> 2020-12-12 19:17:20 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1012635335 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1012830476 Although this issue is a nuanced one, I would have to say that I think the land should be returned to the Mapuche. After the video discussed their poor living conditions and how much the land meant to them and their way of life, I was definitely swayed more to their side. I think it was unfair for their land to be taken by the government and I agree with what Victoria said as well that instead of giving the land 100% to either side, there should be some compromise. Issues like these are often very difficult to resolve, and I think one way that would help would be to have input from both sides. If the government were to propose new legislation I think the best way to go about it would be to actually talk to the people who it will affect. This way, it’s not just the government imposing themselves again, but rather an effort to come together for a compromise. 

]]> 2020-12-12 22:54:23 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1012830476 zoewaldschmidt1 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1013110638 The situation between the settlers and the Mapuche is very difficult due to both sides having valid claims on the land. The fault lies with government who recruited immigrants from Switzerland over a hundred years ago and granted them the land when they arrived. The descendants of the Swiss immigrants have lived on this land in Chile their entire lives and know no other home. On the other hand, the Mapuche had the land taken from them and their descendants are suffering through poverty and loss of connection to their way of life as a result. To help resolve the conflict and stop the violence, the government should speak to people on both sides. They could offer to buy some land from the settlers then give it to the Mapuche. This would both give the settlers money to use toward new opportunities and return at least some of the land that was taken.]]> 2020-12-13 06:28:37 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1013110638 gabbyjohnson1 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1013181312 I think it is important to acknowledge both sides of the conflict because everyone has their own account of events. Personally, I think that coming to one single solution for a situation this complex is very difficult. If the government were to buy back the land from the Europeans, I truly don't think they would give it back to the Mapuche. (which would of course be the right thing to do) The documentary made it seem as though the government only cares about accumulating wealth through selling land to profitable consumers like the Europeans. The Swiss immigrants have lived in Chile for generations and are not at fault for what their ancestors did, however, they do have the power to enact real positive change and reach compromises with the Mapuche people. It is quite evident that while they live in comfort and use their money to "enjoy the luxuries of life", the Mapuche people are living in poverty. I think an ethical solution would be to give back the Mapuche a fair amount of land. Calling them lazy and saying that they do nothing with the land is a selfish excuse to withhold it from them. It is not anyone's place to judge another person's way of life. Like, imagine if somebody did that to you and insisted that they have immediate rights to your land, creating documents and legislation that would keep you from claiming it back. I think that before colonialism, models of ownership were not defined by legal documents, but rather by equal agreements. I do also believe that the current Swiss people have claims to the land because they've lived in Chile their entire lives, but land needs to be distributed back to the Mapuche people as well. No one should have to suffer because a corrupt government only cares about money. 





]]> 2020-12-13 07:52:53 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1013181312 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1013972966 The land dispute is a tough one. We don't have all the facts from both sides, but I do believe that the native Mapuche have a legitimate claim to the land as well as becoming an autonomous region. However I do not agree with the ways that both sides are handling the issue. Killing someone should never happen and I do think that the perpetrators should go to prison for it. Because the Mapuche have a deep connection with that land the Chilean Government needed to be more careful on how they decided on what to do with the land. I find the best way is to allow them to be an autonomous region and to find away for the settlers to sell there land to the Mapuche or come to a compromise about how the land is used and who gets paid. ]]> 2020-12-13 18:30:24 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1013972966 kaigutjahr1 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014073291 While not every fact is shown, and though the film did a good job of showing both sides, I believe that simply giving the land back to the Mapuche is not the correct course of action. There are 2 issues here: the fact that the Chilean government invited people to come to the country, and the fact that they received the land seemingly outside of Mapuche control, where it was their land to begin with. Of course, action should be taken against those who threaten the Swiss families with violence, seeing as their livelihoods depend on the farm; but the Chilean government should really step in, seeing as there is violence involved and seeing as it is both a legal and historical issue. I think that while the swiss have a legal claim over the land, the Mapuche have a historical and ancestral claim, just like that which has happened in the United States.]]> 2020-12-13 19:38:12 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014073291 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014125238 I think that there is not a simple solution to this problem. I think that this film did a very good job showing both sides of this argument. On the one side, the Swiss immigrants have been living on this land for generations and generations and that land is all they know and simply uprooting these people could be disastrous.  But on the other hand the Mapuche people had this land stollen from them and now they are struggling to survive. I think that one solution that could be made has to be that the Chilean Government should intervene when people are getting killed and land/properties are being engulfed in flames. I think that there should be discussions with people from both parties and attempt to develop a compromise.  ]]> 2020-12-13 20:14:50 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014125238 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014155583 The land dispute that was talked about in the film between the Mapuche and the government was a very complicated issue.  However, I do believe it is important to acknowledge both sides of this conflict, and in order to help solve this conflict, the government should speak to both sides, and make things more fair. From what I saw, the way the land is being distributed is unfair. The Mapuche people were native to that land and got it stolen from them. While the Swiss are living in wealth on their land, the Mapuche people do not have the best land with not even the best access to clean water in which I find very unjust. I also believe that violence and killing does not solve this kind of problem at all. The Mapuche do deserve a fair amount of good land, and saying that they do not because "they are lazy and do nothing with the land" is a very selfish and awful excuse to make. Everyone should have the freedom to own land and to be able to take care of it as they wish.  ]]> 2020-12-13 20:38:23 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014155583 peterjaramillo1 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014327199 Discussing the ownership of land can be a difficult topic to tackle. Like Juan and all the other Mapuche say, the land belonged to their ancestors. I would need more evidence from both side of this battle and even then it would still be difficult to solve this issue. Land being Taken and Land being given is two very different things, we would need to know who did the taking, to see who needs to take it back. In the video some of the Mapuche people argue that the violence being caused is the only way to solve this problem, which of course is not true. A quote that I liked from the video was, "they avenge injustice with injustice". It sounds to me like the state is the one to blame for the land being taken, so if the Mapuche people want to take the land back they should try to sort out an agreement with the Europeans instead of burn their crops. One of the victims of the attacks said they have nowhere else to go. I can see both side of this conflict and I am not quite sure how to solve it.]]> 2020-12-13 23:14:11 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014327199 finnhautau https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014751519 First and foremost, this documentary does a really nice job looking at the issue from both sides and telling the stories of both parties and their relationship to the land. It's certainly a difficult choice to make, but I agree with some of my classmates in believing that some, or even most, of the land should be returned or sold back to the Mapuche people of Chile at a very low price. While the land is a part of the history of both the Swiss immigrants and the indigenous Mapuche people, the "considerable wealth" of the Swiss families pushes me in favor of the Mapuche people. Combined with the pretty dire economic circumstances that Juan's family lives in, it does not seem like it would be overall more beneficial to the community of Swiss inhabited Chile if the Swiss families were made to give up some of their lands, and therefore, wealth, to the Mapuche people. As with many indigenous groups around the world when compared to colonizers, the land that the Mapuche once now cohabitate with the Swiss immigrants has a much deeper cultural meaning to them (understandably, it had been their land for centuries before the Swiss arrived). I think that using legislative power to either return the land to the Mapuche people or force the Swiss families to sell back the land at a low price, would be beneficial not only for wealth concentration issues but also for moving towards improved government relations with indigenous groups. ]]> 2020-12-14 04:05:36 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014751519 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014754575 This conflict is complicated and there doesn't seem to be a clear answer. In one way the Mapuche people had their land stollen from them by the state. They didn't consent to the state selling their land to immigrants and it would be great to be able to give their land back but the land is the immigrants' lively hood. The immigrants didn't know that if they came to Chile they would be taking the Mapuche's land. They thought that they would be buying land from the state ethically so it's hard to know what to do when both groups have claims to the land. Although I understand why the Mapuche people are angry I think violence and sabotage is wrong to the Swiss people living on the land. The Swiss can't leave even if they wanted to because they have no where else to go so more violence won't drive them away. I do however think that the Swiss owe the Mapuche people part of their land. I don't think it's possible to give all of the land back to the Mapuche people because the Swiss immigrants need to live too and have been on that land since 1908. It does seem though that with the newer Swiss generation is less interested and they said that the only reason they are keeping up the land is because the grandparents refuse to sell it.  With the new generation taking over it seems like an agreement will be better reached and that the Mapuche people will be able to get some of their land back. I also appreciate that the documentary shows both sides of the story.]]> 2020-12-14 04:07:58 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014754575 gracewilkins https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014764505 This is definitely a very hard topic because we are talking about rights on the basis of land. Physical land in regards to cultural connections to this land can be hard to discuss. However, if I were to take a position based on what I learned from this film, I would have to say that I believe that the land should be returned to the Mapuche. They had such a connection to the land that it would be simply unfair to not give them this land. The government took this land away with no question of how it would affect these people. I do believe that the Mapuche should get land, however I don't believe that it should be taken from the Swiss fully. I think that the government should  propose a solution and see how this action would affect each participant. I do not think the land should be given back fully to the Mapuche because this would negatively affect the swiss immigrants greatly. However, there should definitely be a compromise put in place so that both the Mapuche and the swiss are comftorable. ]]> 2020-12-14 04:15:29 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014764505 saskiabauman https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014819467 It’s obviously a complex issue because Europeans have also been in Chile for generations now so I don’t believe the land they are farming should be completely taken from them, but the land belongs to the Mapuche and the balance between the amount of land farmed by Europeans vs. the amount of land farmed by Mapuche is out of balance. Regardless of whether Swiss farmers technically got their land from the Chilean government or private owners, the land belonged to the Mapuche before they arrived in Chile. Swiss-farmed land is being burned anyway, so it would be to their benefit to give a percentage of that land being burned to the Mapuche and then they wouldn’t fear for their safety so much. The tribal government could then reallocate the land. Perhaps smaller farmers would not be forced to return some of their land because it would be unfair to take away their livelihoods. As one farmer says, he can’t leave Chile because he has nothing else. This return of land could function like a wealth tax, where only those farmers with the most land who are making much more than they need would return part of their land to the Mapuche. However, at the base of this issue is really a problem with the Chilean government, which has not made much of an effort to reconcile the two groups. In order to resolve this problem, the government would have to take initiative and I’m not sure how that would happen

]]> 2020-12-14 04:55:34 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014819467 sofiaschuyler1 https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014894925 This film did a pretty good job of showing both sides of this land dispute and explaining both their arguments as to why they should have the land. It is hard to say that the Swiss should have the land taken from them entirely because they have been there for generations, but the amount of land they have in comparison to the Mapuche is disproportionate. I would say that the majority of the land should go to the Mapuche because the land is essential to their culture, and many of the Swiss have expressed interest in leaving. I also think that because the Swiss seem to have some amount of wealth, while the Mapuche seem to be in a more critical economic position, so some of the land at least show be given back or sold back at a very, very, low price to the Mapuche. I think that, in order to fix this issue, there will need to be some kind of reconciliation between the two sides. Since they seem very intolerant of each other, which was especially obvious when the Swiss woman claimed that it was hard to watch the land go to waste because they are lazy or something like of that sort. I guess the government could mediate some kind of reconciliation between the two groups, but based on what both sides said about the state, that seems unlikely. ]]> 2020-12-14 05:48:19 UTC https://padlet.com/timgreen3/qgli0w9ylo8w5bd2/wish/1014894925