Time by https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x upload a quote about "time" or your argument for A or B en-us 2016-07-25 13:34:55 UTC 2023-07-27 12:08:21 UTC hello@padlet.com Carlos Marquez https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141007771 Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. 
- Steve Jobs]]> 2016-12-01 03:49:40 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141007771 Ken Luu https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141016556 "If you love life, don't waste time, for time is what life is made of." - Bruce Lee

]]> 2016-12-01 06:22:08 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141016556 Trevor Hall https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141262630 "Lost time is never found again" - Benjamin Franklin]]> 2016-12-01 21:01:04 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141262630 Harry Pearce https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141503006 I agree more with B than A but there are parts of both that I disagree with. First I will analyze A:

A's argument that the brain is a machine is backed up by plenty of evidence. For example when parts of the brain are damaged or missing people can lose certain functions. Additionally the brain can be diagnosed using MRI , EEG, PET scans, etc. The brain is more complex and flexible than a traditional computer since people can regain functionality lost in one part of the brain by employing another part of the brain. The brain also uses evolution within a growing baby in order to form. The brain cells send out connections to distant parts of what will become the brain and they undergo a process of natural selection based on the number of connections each has.

 Even though these features can be replicated computationally, I do not think they discredit the idea of consciousness. There are multiple ways of seeing this. The brain could be considered to be like an antenna the consciousness can send information into. If think eventually this kind of case can be proven or disproven once more is known about the brain. For instance if someone used a quantum computer to analyze the brain and all of the parameters of the brain are found to follow the exact pattern one would expect using the known laws of physics it would be likely that consciousness does not interact with the physical world in such a way that it can control it. 

But this does not mean consciousness doesn't exist because consciousness can also be thought of as experience or awareness. The brain being a computer does not explain the ability to experience things. Does a computer experience the words I am typing right now? We don't know. Even if the computer was somehow coded to output data that suggested it was aware this doesn't mean it is. For example I could code a computer to output the word "yes" whenever I type in "Do you want to drink any java?". This does not mean the computer really experiences anything. Of course it is possible that it is experiencing something but this procedure does not provide evidence of that. The impression that something can think things and be self aware may theoretically be given by complex machines but this does not mean that the ability to experience is a byproduct of mechanistic traits.

Argument A also states "Both relativity theory (special as well as general) and quantum field theory have a causality structure built in." as evidence. Quantum field theory may have some form of causality but it is also probabilistic. I mention this because you might think that this probability may allow for the ability to control the body with consciousness. Random chance would not allow for consciousness to control something though because the wave function itself is determined deterministically. Of course an experiment could be done to see whether or not consciousness changes the probability slightly of a wave function but based on the information I have observation does not decide the state of the wave function collapse. It merely collapses it. Additionally I think that the collapse is due to the particles used for observation, not the actual awareness of the person taking the measurement. People can correct me if I'm wrong about this though. 

Argument A mentions that all of the quantum correlations between nerve cells can be ignored because of thermal noise. This kind of argument is used against quantum biology too, a field that fell into disfavor for this reason and the difficulty of studying quantum effects in real biological systems where there are so many variables. This may be the case. Quantum biology predicts things about magnetic orientation in terms of migration of birds though and has interesting ideas so I will just keep my mind open about quantum biology and whether or not it is a field. A mentioned in the previous paragraph whether or not the brain is quantum mechanical might not make a difference. (It could make a difference if peoples brains were somehow quantum entangled with consciousness though ).

Argument B mentions that science hasn't unlocked the mystery of time and consciousness. As far as I know this is correct. I disagree with the statement the author made about time and consciousness having to be directly connected though. For example it could be that the reason people feel like they are moving in one direction in time isn't because they are actually moving through time, but because the time they exist in has their brain set to an encoded memory of what supposedly happened. I am suggesting that maybe temporal events are not connected at all and that individuals may be encoded to have coinciding "memories" of things that aren't really connected to a particular time sequence. In this view time wouldn't have a direction. We would just happen to exist in a time where time appeared to have a direction due to "memories" in our brains. Also hypothetically consciousness could exist everywhere throughout all time in a situation where objects move through time but consciousness permeates everything. In this situation the reason people are aware of certain things and not others would be because they only have access to the consciousness flowing or existing inside them even though all of the consciousness would be connected. I think time and consciousness could be connected but don't have to be.

Argument B also states that the solution to the problem of time and consciousness may require a higher dimensional version of general relativity. I may be nitpicking but if it involves  a higher dimensional version of any theory wouldn't it be a higher dimensional grand unified field theory so quantum mechanics is included? If consciousness does influence matter it does make sense from a physics perspective that matter would influence consciousness so if this is the case a new type of physics may be required to connect the two things. ]]> 2016-12-02 20:15:45 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141503006 Juan L. Moctezuma juan_moctezuma091 https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141523589 "You will never find time for anything. If you want time, you must make it."
- Charles Bruxton]]> 2016-12-02 23:38:39 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141523589 Harry Pearce https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531399 The first rule of project management: "Anything that can change will change until there's no time left to make any more changes"-Unknown]]> 2016-12-03 05:59:07 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531399 Harry Pearce https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531428 "What are you on when you are in and runs over itself when a piece of it gets longer?" -Harry Pearce Answer below

































Time! -Harry Pearce]]> 2016-12-03 06:00:33 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531428 Harry Pearce https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531492 "The sooner I get behind the more time I have to catch up."-Bill Pearce, my Daddy]]> 2016-12-03 06:04:16 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531492 Harry Pearce https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531516 "Don't put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together." My Uncle Eugene Pearce]]> 2016-12-03 06:06:49 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141531516 Chrisman Payne https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141672648 If you just go bursting in you'll think you've gone mad! Awful things happen to wizards who've meddled with time. We can't be seen. 

-Hermoine Granger]]> 2016-12-05 08:50:09 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141672648 Nicholas Ferrante nicholas_b_ferrante https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141856340 A man speaking to God asks,
"God, what is a million years to you?"

God said,
 "a million years to me is only a second."

"Hmmm", he wondered. Then he asked again, "God, what is a million dollars worth to you?"

God said, "A million dollars to me is only worth a penny."

The man lifted his eyebrows and proceeded to ask a final question. "God can I have a penny?"

And God replied, "Sure!!Give me a second."
=-)
]]> 2016-12-05 19:19:19 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141856340 Nicholas Ferrante nicholas_b_ferrante https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141857921 “All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.” 
-Edgar Allan Poe]]> 2016-12-05 19:23:45 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141857921 Toby Sutton https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141886885 "So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it."
-Willy Wonka]]> 2016-12-05 21:08:08 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141886885 James Hellfeier https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141900379 "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us"
 - J.R.R. Tolkien ]]> 2016-12-05 22:40:29 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141900379 Max Anthenelli https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141900847 "Time - He flexes like a whore
Falls wanking to the floor
His trick is you and me, boy"
~David Bowie]]> 2016-12-05 22:44:51 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141900847 Andrew Buckner https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141902802 "How did it get so late so fast?"
-Dr. Suess]]> 2016-12-05 23:06:27 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141902802 Arturo Ortiz https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141902874 Uncertainty is inherently unsustainable. Eventually, everything either is or isn't 
Rick Sanchez
]]> 2016-12-05 23:07:17 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141902874 Christian Juarez https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141917442 "In the dark attics of our minds, all times mingle"
- Charles De Lint 

]]> 2016-12-06 02:30:42 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/141917442 Scott Knapp https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142076181 Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago - Warren Buffet]]> 2016-12-06 16:52:14 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142076181 Naomi Vogel https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142176200 "So kann man das Leben als Aufstieg auf einen Gipfel der Zeit begreifen, bei dem sich der Horizont zusehends weitet."
- Stefan Klein

Translation: "Thus life can be understood as an ascent to a peak of time, in which the horizon is widening."
 
]]> 2016-12-06 22:49:21 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142176200 Zack Tyler https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142200342 "And all that drama that you comin' with, you blowin' my high
On my way up to the function, gettin' dome in my ride
I got 'em worried that my mind fried
I'm goin' up before I skydive

You can see the way that time flies
Time files, try to catch it
Time flies, time flies
Try to catch it"
-Mac Miller]]> 2016-12-07 04:07:11 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142200342 https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142436487 2016-12-07 22:05:16 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142436487 https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142436931 2016-12-07 22:08:59 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142436931 Jazelyn Manlangit https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142719902 "Time is money, money is power, power is pizza, and pizza is knowledge."
-April Ludgate]]> 2016-12-09 04:01:46 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142719902 Elena Arroyo https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142957700 "As if you could kill time without injuring eternity."
-Thoreau]]> 2016-12-10 17:55:26 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142957700 Lafayette Ragsdale https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142974108 "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute — and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." 
-Albert Einstein]]> 2016-12-11 05:24:32 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/142974108 Lukas Poteracke https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143042475
“A man who dares to waste one hour of time has not discovered the value of life.” 
― Charles Darwin
My argument is for B, mostly because I do not agree with argument A.  A is trying to say that consciousness, ideas, and observations are not real and that it is human illusion to think that we can give reason the mysteries of the universe and can control them.  I don't agree that our minds are just complex computers that just process information that is given to us and there is no mystery beyond that and nothing special to expect. I'd like to believe that there is meaning to the universe and there is physics out there that we can discover that unifies all what we know so far
]]> 2016-12-12 06:18:18 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143042475 Toby Antoon https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143043377 One has to divide one's time between politics and our equations. But our equations are much more important to me, because politics is for the present, while such an equation is for eternity. - Albert Einstein]]> 2016-12-12 06:42:58 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143043377 Jenna McGuigan https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143163312 "It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important."

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince]]> 2016-12-12 16:23:23 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143163312 Marco Gonzalez https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143221313 "When was the last time you did something for the first time?" -me]]> 2016-12-12 19:21:04 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143221313 Jacob Roper https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143277350 "Time is a tool you can put on the wall, or wear it on your wrist. The past is far behind us; the future doesn't exist."
-Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 2 ]]> 2016-12-13 04:52:56 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143277350 Daniel Dutra https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143277777 Time is too slow for those who wait, too swift for those who fear, too long for those who grieve, too short for those who rejoice, but for those who love, time is eternity.

-- Henry van Dyke ]]> 2016-12-13 05:05:18 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143277777 Nathan Stein https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143530289  “Time is an illusion.” 
 -Albert Einstein]]> 2016-12-14 07:41:58 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143530289 Joseph Millar https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143712455 "Scientists, therefore, are responsible for their research, not only intellectually but also morally. This responsibility has become an important issue in many of today's sciences, but especially so in physics, in which the results of quantum mechanics and relativity theory have opened up two very different paths for physicists to pursue. They may lead us—to put it in extreme terms—to the Buddha or to the Bomb, and it is up to each of us to decide which path to take.]]> 2016-12-14 19:37:33 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143712455 Andrew Freeman https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143971296 "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute - and it's longer than any hour.  That's relativity."
- Albert Eintstein]]> 2016-12-15 23:44:57 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143971296 Jon Parsons https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143976439 So much universe and so little time.

Time is a drug, too much kills you.

Both by pTerry Pratchett]]> 2016-12-16 01:37:00 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/143976439 Sebastian Gonzalez https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144139367 I picked A because science requires a realist perspective. We have to assume these measurements and phenomena occur even if we weren't there to measure them. Although B brings up the excellent point of "If our measuring tool is our brain, how do we know our brain is the best possible tool for measuring" for which I say, contemplating about the philosophical aspect is fun but not practical. We can question our reality as much as we want (and I'm not saying don't) but that doesn't change the fact that we are in this reality.]]> 2016-12-16 20:51:39 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144139367 Miguel A. Aguilar https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144152359 “You may delay, but time will not.” 
-Benjamin Franklin]]> 2016-12-17 03:51:38 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144152359 Daniel Rivera https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144193866 If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

Carl Sagan]]> 2016-12-17 23:20:07 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144193866 Note versus 26 and 27. God bless Jason Bullock jabs_sagg https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144195040 Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry [land] appear"; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry [land] Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that [it was] good. 11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb [that] yields seed, [and] the fruit tree [that] yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed [is] in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb [that] yields seed according to its kind, and the tree [that] yields fruit, whose seed [is] in itself according to its kind. And God saw that [it was] good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 "and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. [He made] the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that [it was] good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that [it was] good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, [each] according to its kind"; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that [it was] good. 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His [own] image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed [it was] very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.]]> 2016-12-17 23:53:09 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144195040 Devin A Farnan https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144397609 Life teaches to make good uses of our time, while time teaches us the value of life.
-Unknown]]> 2016-12-19 22:41:48 UTC https://padlet.com/abaljon/qbnqu7kd8t5x/wish/144397609