https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c en-us 2023-05-22 18:12:52 UTC 2023-05-25 19:22:58 UTC hello@padlet.com kunnatha3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2602116023 (4 minimum  - no evidence needed!!)]]> 2023-05-23 18:36:30 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2602116023 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605231614 I would say its the fear of the beast and the paranoia of political instability that shapes the mob mentality in chapter 9 ]]> 2023-05-25 19:03:31 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605231614 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232303 sadness and fear]]> 2023-05-25 19:04:25 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232303 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232409 it depicted him as someone to be feared as well as caused them to have something/someone to worry about.]]> 2023-05-25 19:04:33 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232409 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232447 The group has more of a mob mentality and has become more violence driven rather than communicating together and deciding as a group what they should do. Now there are 2 different groups that are pitted against each other because of the conflict between Ralph and Jack. An example of how the divide has formed is when Piggy starts to like to involve himself in Ralphs actions more this shows the divide between the two groups that have been formed and how others actions drive the division ]]> 2023-05-25 19:04:37 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232447 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232469 The danger of the mob has changed from trying to create order to caring only about the beastie and driven by that fear they are now making irrational decisions. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:04:39 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232469 quirozvaldoj3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232510 I think because they were on the island 4 too long ]]> 2023-05-25 19:04:43 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232510 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232697 I think that the more time the boys spent on the island and the less time they spent with the rest of the world the crazier they got and drifted more from reality. for example on page 145 they way that the island was described told me that the island was a lot different from the rest of the world.]]> 2023-05-25 19:04:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232697 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232704 Chaos]]> 2023-05-25 19:05:00 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605232704 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233559 The need for power will lead to the downfall of others (murder/death).

Every time Jack steals the conch or rallies up the group, they become more susceptible to manipulation. Jack's character is like a devil; he hides in the shadows and has dark intentions but acts like he just wants to help the group. Jack is always trying to lead others, and by doing this, Simon was killed and fear is running through them all.]]> 2023-05-25 19:05:43 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233559 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233592 the power of evil because I don't think most of the boys meant to kill him. Fear blinded them making them think Simon was the beast. Because of fear I feel like the boys (especially Jack) start becoming more evil.]]> 2023-05-25 19:05:46 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233592 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233754 it symbolizes the power of fear]]> 2023-05-25 19:05:58 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233754 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233783 It symbolizes how jack is able to control the group with fear about the beat and kill Simon because he thought he was a threat, whether as a beast or opposition to his power]]> 2023-05-25 19:06:01 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605233783 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234179 We think that Simon's death symbolizes the power of fear and natural instincts. Because they were scared of when he came down and they killed him due to their natural instincts  (153)]]> 2023-05-25 19:06:34 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234179 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234216 I think loss of innocence plays a big role in the end of chapter 9. When they killed Simon this showed that the boys turned their back against each other. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:06:38 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234216 quirozvaldoj3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234278 He symbolizes fear ]]> 2023-05-25 19:06:44 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234278 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234529 Impulse leads to unnecessary actions 

Because often we see the boys as a group making decisions without talking to each other and just following each other's actions. A good example is when they killed Simon, if they went into more thought about the consequences of their actions they wouldn't have done it.

]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:06 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234529 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234566 The idea of the mob changed in chapter 9. Because they became dangerous and they violent towards humans(Roger) and when they killed Simon. Overall the mob has progressed to a dangerous threat.(152 around there).]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:09 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234566 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234673 Claim: You can't run away from your actions.

Evidence: They're stuck on an island and they were all apart of the killing.

Reasoning: Since they're stuck on an island, and they were all apart of the killing, they can't just ignore what happened.]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:19 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234673 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234730 I think the danger of the mob changed when Jack split off into his own tribe. They acted like a dangerous mob when the chanted and danced around the fire and ended up killing simon on accident because the where so instinctual. Also, they don't have a purpose of survival or getting found, they just want to kill pigs and the beast.]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:24 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234730 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234927 When Simon becomes the beast, it changes the readers views of all the characters, even the littluns. Simon was a small child who was turned into a big and scary monster by society, so he lost his innocence. Killing Simon and having the blood on their hands also changed innocence and purity. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:43 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605234927 quirozvaldoj3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235092 I think they just went a little crazy and they didn’t mean 2 kill him. They’re not evil like that tbh]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:56 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235092 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235128 The danger of the mob changed through the influence of the people leading the boys. Naturally, younger kids tend to look up to older kids, so the adult figures (Ralph, Jack, and maybe Piggy) influenced how the boys perceived the situation and each other. Rather than being scared, the boys were more focused on their new "island lives" and followed what the older kids told them to do without question, which changed the way they thought through their reactions, making them more impulsive, unreasonable, and violent. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:07:58 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235128 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235320 I can see a connection between Simon's death and a moment freeing the island in some way, as the moment Simon dies the storm which was recently over island stops.]]> 2023-05-25 19:08:15 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235320 dillonn6 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235824 As the story goes on, their fear becomes is displayed more often and more uncontrollably. This fear has begun to control them and make a more primitive society which has led to more violence. "Presently Ralph rose to his feet, looking at the place where the savages had vanished. Samneric came, talking in an awed whisper. 'I thought I was-''-and I was-''-scared.'" (Golding 141)]]> 2023-05-25 19:08:58 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605235824 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605236646 It foreshadows what happens in chapter 9 because his death is caused by the group thinking that he is the beast. They stopped seeing him as human and everything they saw became a threat to them because of the over powering fear. Instead of the little child that he was at the beginning of the book, he was turned into someone to be feared]]> 2023-05-25 19:09:36 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605236646 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605236885 This has changed from finally trying to create order, going back to the start when they were all against each other and working one there own ways. Now they only care about the beastie and taken by the fear of it and making horrible decisions. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:09:56 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605236885 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605236991 the beast symbolizes danger and fear. When the children hear the name they immediately act on fear. This later leads to evil and Simon's death.]]> 2023-05-25 19:10:04 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605236991 schleweisl3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237251 Changing Simon's name to "the beast" (152) in chapter 9 doesn't seem to change the meaning of the chapter, but rather supports it. This is because the rest of the chapter displays how primitivity and craze that they developed during their time on the island has made them more susceptible to the influence of fear. Renaming Simon to "the beast" (152) gives perspective into the children's minds and how they have been affected in this manner.]]> 2023-05-25 19:10:17 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237251 mohammadis1_3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237252 The change in the name shows the change in how the group saw Simon. The boys didn't view Simon as human anymore, but "a thing... crawling out of the forest." (Golding 152) During their chant, they saw the first thing that they could use as a victim. The chapter first showed the issues arising when a group splits apart. The meaning later changed to how mob mentality brings dangers. Simon used to be part of the group but suddenly turned into the enemy because of the dangerous thinking present in the group.]]> 2023-05-25 19:10:17 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237252 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237778 The group wasnt as dangerous because they still thought it was kind of a game and not thinking of it as real life, but as time goes on they realize they need food and actually need to survive and that turns people especially children into savages that are relying on their primal instincts (id) to survive and live]]> 2023-05-25 19:11:00 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237778 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237925 No, I do not think the kids meant to kill Simon. I think they were just caught up in the moment and didn't realize what they have done. Also, it depends on which human we are talking about being evil because sometimes people make mistakes and don't mean harm. But other characters, such as Jack, know what they are doing. Maybe he doesn't mean to harm others, but he definitely defies the rules and causes conflict. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:11:13 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605237925 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605238497 I think Simon's death symbolizes like loss of innocence and humans evil. They may have meant to kill Simon. When they found out they killed Simon they were shocked and they were at a loss of innocence.(154)]]> 2023-05-25 19:11:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605238497 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605239542 The characters all had their own flaws, but when Simon is introduced as "the beast" their true colors show in a way. The thematic topic of evil being in everyone becomes more real than in any other chapter, showing how through the influence of others, people make decisions that aren't rational. Changing Simon into "the beast" more showed how the evil in others came out, and the beasts within themselves, rather than Simon who was labeled as one. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:13:11 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605239542 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605239581 I believe they were carried away with their ritual and were already frightened, but with Simon being an adversary to Jack's power struggle between him and Ralph I believe Jack purposely pinned him as the beast so he could take Simon out and be seen as a leader by the other boys]]> 2023-05-25 19:13:15 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605239581 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605239737 I think Simons death symbolized the group/tribes loss of innocence and savergry. For example, before simon died the where dancing around a fire with spears and facepaint making them violent. They where so focused on killing animals and the beast that they abandoned civilization and trying to get rescued.]]> 2023-05-25 19:13:27 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605239737 mohammadis1_3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605240165 They did not mean to kill Simon. In that moment Simon wasn't Simon, but the beast. Their fear from the earlier chhapters showed through and to protect themselves, they had to "'Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!'" (Golding 152)]]> 2023-05-25 19:13:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605240165 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605240690 i think that they werent realizing what they were doing and got carried away thinking that simon was the beast]]> 2023-05-25 19:14:32 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605240690 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605241118 I think that they did mean to kill simon but they didn't actually want to. The state of mind that the boys had at that time was very different than the rest of their reality and although they did mean to kill simon in that state of mind the actual boys from the beginning of the book wouldn't have killed simon.]]> 2023-05-25 19:15:07 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605241118 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605241419 i think they were so paranoid and scared that they just got carried away, obviously it is still a horrible thing but when they are in the position they are in, i dont consider it evil.]]> 2023-05-25 19:15:33 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605241419 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605241865 I think that the group over time and their natural instincts made them more scared over time and then once they had the big scare of simon and thinking he's the beast is what completely changed them]]> 2023-05-25 19:16:09 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605241865 dillonn6 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605242129 Simon's name changing symbolizes that the boys are only afraid of each other, there is no beast and the only thing to be afraid of on the island is themselves. The book states that Simon stumbled into their dance and then never lists his name afterwards (Golding 151). This may symbolize that the boys are going from their normal civilized selves to uncontrollably fearful beings that act without thinking, following no morals whatsoever.]]> 2023-05-25 19:16:27 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605242129 schleweisl3 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605242841 I do not believe that the kids mean't to kill Simon. Given their time in they have spent on the island, they were under the influence of fear or the "Id" part of the mind. This is futher supported in how later in chapter 10, it is noted that "By common consent [Ralph and Jack] were suing the spears as sabers now, no longer daring the lethal points" (177), displaying that when they are able to think more clearly, they do not have the intentions to kill, only harm.]]> 2023-05-25 19:17:26 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605242841 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605242866 Danger can steal innocence; all of these boys are still children, but as a result of being forced through dangerous and traumatic scenarios, their characters are reshaped into ones that no longer represent innocent children, but rather dangerous little gremlins. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:17:28 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605242866 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605244260 Simon's death represent all of the unjustified actions and situations in real life. Society tends to be corrupt and unfair, so Simon's death is a parallel to what goes within the real world.]]> 2023-05-25 19:19:19 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605244260 https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605246871 How the danger of the mob has changed from the beginning of the book to chapter 9 is that the kids were less violent and more innocent. An example that shows this is at the beginning of the book the kids were just playing around, on the beach, in the water, not caring about their duties. Some of the littluns still don't care, but the older kids have lost some of their innocence as the story has progressed. They have become more serious about surviving, but they don't really think about being rescued anymore. They have become savage, killing the pig and eventually killing Simon. ]]> 2023-05-25 19:22:58 UTC https://padlet.com/kunnatha3/pmvprzls2i1wzi2c/wish/2605246871