Hating Men, Dating Men and Millennial Feminism by https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a Write your thoughts here. Inclusive and intersectional please! en-us 2021-03-20 14:56:10 UTC 2021-03-20 18:28:47 UTC hello@padlet.com Women Don't owe you pretty and What a Time to be Alone https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332662913 what are your thoughts on Florence Givens book being similar to Chidera Eggurue's? I don't see many 'online feminists' speaking up about this, even though you claim black lives and black work matters. 

]]> 2021-03-20 15:42:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332662913 https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332679850 Love the guilty feminist!!]]> 2021-03-20 15:52:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332679850 Do social media platforms provide the best spaces for conversation? https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332685955 In line with Scarlett’s thoughts: how do we move past the insularity of social media? Looking at different platforms, there are different demographics of, for example, Facebook vs. Twitter vs TikTok, and then of course there are different bubbles within each platform, not necessarily interacting. I wonder also about the power dynamics at play on social media, where certain voices are louder than others. I guess the questions I’m trying to get at are: is it a problem, for modern day feminist discourse, that some voices are louder than others? is social media a good space for conversation, and who is contributing to that conversation?]]> 2021-03-20 15:56:42 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332685955 Do you feel social media is harmful to feminism or beneficial to feminism? https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332686639 2021-03-20 15:57:09 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332686639 books https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332686973 would love to hear what your favorite feminist books are! ]]> 2021-03-20 15:57:24 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332686973 Would love to hear your thoughts on Given's 'Women don't owe you pretty' https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332687693 2021-03-20 15:57:53 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332687693 Is there something to be said for enabling women to take on the role of 'public intellectual' that was for so long exclusively reserved for men? (In response to the discussion about social media and celebrity feminism...) https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332688436 2021-03-20 15:58:25 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332688436 'Hating men' https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332689842 How far is the title of hating men or men bashing productive for feminism? Do you think that it would discourage men from becoming feminists or push women away from feminism?]]> 2021-03-20 15:59:23 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332689842 Educating young people on gender equality and feminism https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332694576 I am a secondary school teacher and want to have more of an impact. I strongly identify as a feminist but feel like gender equality and feminism are still viewed as political and potentially divisive causes. Do you know of any charities or organisations that work with schools or do you have any suggestions on where to start?]]> 2021-03-20 16:02:38 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332694576 Insta feminism https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332695889 How is the best / easiest way to get past insta feminism, and understand feminism better and in a more diverse way? ]]> 2021-03-20 16:03:27 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332695889 Following on from the Chidera and Florence talk (positive question!) https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332701869 I think an issue this saga shed to light was how detracted feminist theory has become from many of the queer, trans, Black sex workers who established and brought light to key ideas. As feminists, how can we make theory accessible and easy to understand without erasing those who helped pioneer these ideas? What can we do to draw attention back to Black communities vs individuals (like Chidera)?


]]> 2021-03-20 16:07:26 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332701869 Tips on getting over glamourizing marriage and the NEED for a man/relationship https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332704301 2021-03-20 16:08:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332704301 It seems regressive that feminists are fighting feminists ? https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332706507 These women hold influence and they should be help accountable if there is something in their writing that can be critiqued?

]]> 2021-03-20 16:09:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332706507 Anti-inclusive feminism https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332707230 What do you think about racist feminists or feminism that excludes lgbtqia people from their fights (TERFS in France for example) ? 
In a way I can't accept the fact that they fight against minorities, but in another way it moves the subject of feminism from men to women and makes the fight against patriarchy slower... Thank you !
(sorry for my english, I'm french ;_; )


]]> 2021-03-20 16:10:15 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332707230 do you think feminists can "own" an idea? in terms of FG etc can either of them ever claim to have original idea when so many of those things were already said before. https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332707797 (I do not think that it is bad for ideas to be recycled, it is important to reach new audiences) but I would be curious to hear your opinions]]> 2021-03-20 16:10:36 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332707797 https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332709119 one thing I would say about Florence's book is that she thanked a lot of black women for inspiring her- but shouldn't white women know when to just pass the mic to women from minority groups?]]> 2021-03-20 16:11:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332709119 Role of the arts camilacpha https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332718254 Adding to what was said, I would like to ask how we can build those bridges between activism, academia and the general public about feminism. I am a visual artist and researcher and I really think art can be a big part of that.]]> 2021-03-20 16:16:41 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332718254 Dating men? Hating men? Would love to talk about this https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332725071 WE SHOULD NOT HATE MEN ! They may be part of the issue but are integral for the feminism movement to grow

]]> 2021-03-20 16:21:08 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332725071 this topic is a bit random but I wanted to ask about how you feel about women being more "dramatic" and fight each other, because as much as I want to think this is not true, it rings true in so many communities I am in. I wish I could just blame it on the patriarchy, but do you think it is in our nature to be more engaged in gossip and drama? I feel like a bad feminist any time I talk about someone behind their back etc, because I know men are so different in how they socialize with each other. https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332728117 2021-03-20 16:23:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332728117 hating/excluding men https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332730917 I think people forget that so many spaces basically belong to men, yet somehow having a space dedicated to women is considered negative]]> 2021-03-20 16:24:41 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332730917 how to trust men/date men as a straight woman, when you see how so many men can turn on women. I dont hate men at all but the more I learn the more fearful I am https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332732854 or... SHOULD we trust them?]]> 2021-03-20 16:25:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332732854 to the question about gossip and drama https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332738328 I think its human nature to cause drama- men also cause drama and gossip but maybe its just not as obvious in your community. I've heard so many men and women gossip about people I just think our society focuses on how women are 'bitchy' but if a man talks about someone else its not seen as being 'a bitch'
(sorry im not sure if that makes sense)]]> 2021-03-20 16:29:09 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332738328 Saying ‘power’ instead of ‘patriarchy’ or ‘matriarchy’ https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332744413 Just picking up on something said near the beginning: I’m not sure that it is useful to just say ‘power’ instead of ‘patriarchy’- ‘patriarchy’ the term is needed to recognise the way in which hierarchies of power are structured around binary conceptualisations of gender- it’s important to be specific about the gendered basis of power, no? ]]> 2021-03-20 16:32:38 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332744413 I recently watched Peaky Blinders S5 (no spoilers) where a man tells a woman that she is his property while having sex. I know this is relevant to the time it is set in, but since the show was made today for a modern day audience, do you think it is problematic to fetishize women and "owning them" in TV even if it is representing a previous age https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332745997 (so many thoughts on the role of women in that show in general, but this seems relevant for people who havent seen the show too]]> 2021-03-20 16:33:33 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332745997 Dating men camilacpha https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332752377 It's also important to remember that a big part of having a healthy relationship is sharing and growing together. It's ok to have a relationship with a man that doesn't come 'perfect'. They don't exist, but they can learn. If you're a feminist and your partner is open, there should be space for understanding.]]> 2021-03-20 16:37:20 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332752377 On terms like “patriarchy” https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332753137 I agree with the person who notes the usefulness of the term “patriarchy”, and want to add: I’m not sure it’s worth pandering to people who aren’t acting in good faith? If someone takes “smash the patriarchy” as “smash men”, they’re not engaging in good faith, they’re not educating themselves. Likewise with the term “toxic masculinity”: it doesn’t mean men are toxic, but that the certain modes of masculinity are harmful (to both men and women!). “Toxic masculinity” is a useful concept. If we change terms like “patriarchy” and “toxic masculinity” we lose the important feminist theorising behind those concepts, and we pander to people who aren’t acting in good faith.]]> 2021-03-20 16:37:48 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332753137 Engaging men with feminism... bellaroundtable https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332762341 Scarlett, I'm interested to know how you've approached this with your younger brothers? My brother is 16 and I see him developing some problematic views about women and gender in general. I know he'll grow and his views will change a lot, but how can I encourage him to be more feminist or at the very least be more empathetic to what it means to be a woman in this world...? (sorry I know you just said you have no interest in educating men about feminism!)]]> 2021-03-20 16:43:34 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332762341 Isn't the personal political though? https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332771084 2021-03-20 16:49:04 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332771084 on dating men & 'hating' our boyfriends https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332771851 came across this article by sophia giannitti recently that intersects quite a bit w the convo you've been having]]> 2021-03-20 16:49:34 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332771851 A comment! https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332776940 (Hi Katy!) Just on the topic of marriage and living in patriarchal structures- our approaches to feminism will change over time, as other aspects of our life change and evolve, and external expectations intersect with that. Feminism is in constant negotiation and flux. The idea of a 'perfection' with feminism is entirely contingent. One more point on the idea of patriarchal structures- a lot of this conversation has given the impression that 'structures' appear ephemerally, and are almost natural. They aren't, but enacted by individuals. 
Beth x ]]> 2021-03-20 16:52:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332776940 Heterosexuality as a trap https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332821628 This is just super interesting - one thing I've tried to change in how I speak with other women is to stop saying "congratulations" when people get engaged. Instead I say things like "I'm so happy for you, that's fantastic news", etc., but being in a relationship or being engaged is not an achievement as such - good relationships take work, but I would much rather congratulate my female friends on a promotion or pursuing a passion or buying a house or whatever, something that has to do with THEM as people rather than a man having asked them to get married. ]]> 2021-03-20 17:20:33 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332821628 You don't think that the men would force the successful woman to be smaller? https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332838668 Even unintentionally, by impressing certain expectations on their successful girlfriends until eventually she lose a bit of her shine? I feel like I have seen this happen to friends.]]> 2021-03-20 17:30:38 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332838668 Q for Pauline (but also keen to hear Blythe's thoughts!) https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332854936 Something which I really noticed in your book was the sense of blossoming (epanouissement) which was made possible when you stop engaging with men and instead turn to women for emotional support and fulfillment - I thought this was absolutely joyful, kind of as was being discussed earlier, how much more time and mental space that women have when they opt out of thinking about beauty or romantic love or men's opinions. I wanted to thank you for highlighting this really positive side, a sentiment of 'look what becomes possible when you don't prioritise men', and I was so grateful for the way you articulated. Please could you tell us something about when you first realised what could grow in the space that you cleared?]]> 2021-03-20 17:40:14 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332854936 https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332858108 Hate is never a good feeling. ]]> 2021-03-20 17:42:16 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332858108 https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332867086 I have been feeling increasing resistance towards female heterosexual friends who fully embrace patriarchal norms to the point of portraying marriage or motherhood as something they wouldn’t be complete without. Is it possible to liberate oneself from the pressure to “fit in” and the feeling of being inadequate if you are not married/dating/pursuing these societal standards?]]> 2021-03-20 17:48:01 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332867086 https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332917823 Hi Pauline do you think misandry is the only solution?]]> 2021-03-20 18:21:19 UTC https://padlet.com/sophie720/pmib9huk4g256n6a/wish/1332917823