Counter-argument by Ashirah Nordali https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument ''Formal education is the key to success.' Do you agree?' en-us 2017-03-29 04:26:38 UTC 2018-01-26 01:12:29 UTC hello@padlet.com Counter-argument SSSEL https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163312847 Choose one argument from the 'argumentative' page and counter his/her argument. Write one paragraph on it. ]]> 2017-03-29 04:28:10 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163312847 Kim Kimmmm (Don) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163314721 Topic sentence (focus on what's important when looking for an employment). 

I disagree with the statement as not every job in society looks for people with a good education. Employers looks out for people with a good attitude and skills required for the job. Nowadays in society, employers are looking for people who has hands on experience over someone who has a qualified certificate. In our current society, many university graduates are having a difficult time in finding a job. Many are rejected from the jobs they aspire to work in thus lowering their standards to office jobs with low salary, as low as twenty to twenty-five thousand dollars per month. This clearly show that employers are looking for people with experience than someone who has a smart brain but no experience  ]]> 2017-03-29 04:54:54 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163314721 Cedric (Hud) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163315273 Not every important thing is learn in our daily life is not through education itself. Education itself does not provide the very basis of what we learn when we are born as we spend the very first few months with our parents taking care of our very basic needs. Skills such as learning how to interact with our parents and motor skills especially at a tender age. Although education needs to be started at a young age, it does not necessary means that people will learn values from school as there are other places where people will learn values such as teamwork, compassion as well as loyalty towards one's own family and friends. This itself proves that formal education itself is not the key to one's success itself as many values that is needed in life cannot be learnt by the very basis of what formal education provides to people itself.  ]]> 2017-03-29 05:05:43 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163315273 Hud (Kelvin) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163315720 Some people believe that education can help us gain discipline. This is not true as students could also gain discipline like at home. To gain more discipline, it also can be done at home as learning to be independent at home and to do house chores can help become more discipline.]]> 2017-03-29 05:12:34 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163315720 Sarah (( Tze Yaw )) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163316062 I disagree with the statement as some jobs need life skills or experiences in life. 

The reason is that students requires the experience that they have gone through or even the skills that they apply in school or other sources. 

By this, I mean that the students may have an interest in a certain job and may get into it as they have a high expectations or even know what is going on in the job.

For example, a student is interested in a nursing course and that he/she may have done some research towards that job and also have a high interest in taking it as a full time commitment, this may lead the student to go in depth into the job and fin ways on how to fulfil his/her dreams.

Moreover, interests plays an important part in the working force as it is a full time commitment until they would retire from it. With interest, they would enjoy working for the job for a long period of time or have doubts about it.

Therefore, I counter argue to the statement that says knowledge, values and the right way in life that we learnt over formal education

Rebuttal:
]]> 2017-03-29 05:16:55 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163316062 Donovan countering JASPER LOW DE XIAN https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163316597 Counter argumentative
Critics however might think otherwise, values can be learnt from life lessons instead of formal education. For example, values can be learn through CCA such as NCC  teaching cadets 3 motto such as respect, discipline and honour  or otherwise people taking part in major competitions can learn values through out the match or even after winning or losing. As such formal education is not a must as values can learn by other ways.Hence, values do not need to be learn from formal education but can be learn through in formal education.

Rebuttal

Formal education can help to give      ]]> 2017-03-29 05:23:49 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163316597 Jing Kai ( Cedric https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163587734 2017-03-30 02:12:29 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163587734 Kim Kimmmmmmmmmmmmm https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588080 Rebuttal
The reason why I disagree with his statement is that our current society is changing the type of people they are looking for. In the past, they hire people based on their level of education. Some jobs need people who has low education level, as low as Ordinary Level Certificate to be qualified for the job while others need to have at least a diploma certificate to get a decent job with a decent salary. However, currently in our society is looking for people with experience in the outside world than just a smart  brain. Recently, many university graduates have voiced put their concerns that they are rejected from the jobs they tried to apply for as they were stolen from the foreigners who has no proper education but have hands on experience on the jobs. We were told by young that having a good education will mean that we will have a better job and a better future. But based on the way society is hiring people, ]]> 2017-03-30 02:16:44 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588080 Kelvin https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588147 Rebuttal: 

I disagree that students can gain discipline at home. As parents nowadays does not have enough time to manage their children. This lead to their children being lack of discipline as their parents does not have enough time to care about them, so they will end up meeting with bad friends and get influence by them. Therefore, i disagree that students can gain discipline outside the school.
However, students can still gain discipline at home if their parents have manage their children enough.]]> 2017-03-30 02:17:35 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588147 Hud(Kelvin) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588246 I disagree with the statement that students can gain moral values like discipline in school. The first reason is that we as students can also gain discipline which can be on other occasion. By this i mean, students may think that being punctual to school, being tidy, always on task can make us gain more discipline. Not only that, CCAs like uniform group ca help the students to gain discipline. However that is not true as we can gain discipline not only in school but other places. For example, at home. When we are at home, we would need to clean the house like 2-3 times every week. By doing this, we could gain more discipline as we are being on task. Moreover, there is also different ways to gain other types of moral value like responsibility. Becoming a facilitator would help you have the experience of being responsible. Therefore, i disagree with the statement that students can gain moral values only in school. ]]> 2017-03-30 02:18:55 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588246 Cedric https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588355 Rebuttal against najih 

Formal education itself does not necessary means that everyone will have a good and stable job after they graduate from school. Sufficient education itself do not guarantee that people will get what they want and when they want it. ]]> 2017-03-30 02:20:08 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588355 Jing Kai (JASPER LOW DE SIAN) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588969 I disagree with the statement that values are most important factor that decides whether you get your job.The reason is because having good values are meaningless if you do not understand anything related to the job.For example, when you have good values and for knowledge, no one would hire you ,one with no knowledge on how does the business works.Being honest, hardworking and self-directed is meaningless when you can't even get a job.]]> 2017-03-30 02:27:13 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588969 Shake (Hud) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588978 I disagree with the statement that we learn many important things in our daily life. The important values and core character are to be taught or inculcated at the early stage of puberty/teenage years.
Different people learn them at different paces so some will be more mature than the others will some will not. All of us should learn to be mature before they go into their working life or their adult life to be able respect and have the core values.]]> 2017-03-30 02:27:21 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163588978 jasper(J.K. Rowling https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163589102 I disagree that values can only be learnt through formal education. In fact,values can also be imparted through our parents. For example,our parents can teach us life lesson and values along the way. Values can also be learnt through activities that we take part in like competitions.In order to win the competition,you would need to be self-directed,honest and noble. Even when we lose the competition,we can learn what we do not have and gain the values required to win it through the experiences you have gone through.]]> 2017-03-30 02:29:11 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163589102 Sha (Kelvin) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163589487 Despite formal education helps us to build self- discipline, there are people who were school dropouts during their schooling days. These people may not have been self- disciplined or they do not agree with the school's rules and regulations. hence, not all of them are self disciplined through formal education.]]> 2017-03-30 02:34:40 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163589487 Kelvin (Najih) https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163589590 Critics however might think otherwise,  without formal education people can still find job. Some people believe that as long as with the right attitude people are still able to find their job. For instance, ]]> 2017-03-30 02:36:01 UTC https://padlet.com/SSSEL/counterargument/wish/163589590