https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1 Example 1 (Mystery Stories Q&A Board) en-us 2022-01-15 03:39:00 UTC 2025-11-10 13:08:04 UTC hello@padlet.com geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993254958 Over the semester, we'll be learning about Mystery Stories. As we learn, I'd like you to post on the Mystery Q&A board about the questions you have about the concept of Mysteries.

GROUND RULES:
1. You may ask any question you have about the concept of Mystery unless it's been asked by someone else in class. If it has, "like" the question and/or add your own comments.

2. You may answer questions your friends have answered. I will read the board each week to answer questions too -- either in class or on the board.

3. You may post questions or answers about mysteries. You'll have the chance either in class when I distribute iPads for you to use once a week or at home when you have a question while doing the homework.

4. To post, use the "+" sign in the bottom right hand screen. Try NOT to use the comments feature as it's likely that those will be missed. Make sure that each post contains only ONE question or ONE answer.

5. Questions and answers must be written in formal and standard English. (Let's practice whenever we can!)

6. Do not post images/media clips! Only Mr Ong is allowed to do that!

7. Leave your name and the date after posting. Example:

Mr Ong, Week 0, Monday.]]> 2022-01-15 03:43:31 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993254958 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993258817 I will re-arrange and colour code your comments each week! Don't be surprised if your comments have been moved and re-coloured!

White Notes: Mr Ong's instructions
Red Notes: Questions that stump us
Yellow Notes: Questions we'll answer in class
Green Notes: Questions that have been answered
Blue Notes: Attempts at answering questions

P.S.: Do try to help me by creating your questions in red and your answers in blue! I'll re-colour them as we go.

P.P.S.: Please do NOT create the connections yourself - I will do that. Please help by just ensuring your notes do not cover other people's! Thank you, boys.
Mr Ong, Week 0, Monday.]]> 2022-01-15 03:51:07 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993258817 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993379513 Before class, read the following Mystery Stories that I gave out earlier and think about what is common across all three. We'll discuss our observations in class in order to distill the Essential Elements of a Mystery.

1. A Nice Piece of China
2. Who Stole the Cookies from the Cookie Jar
3. Little Schoolhouse Mystery

ALL three are examples of Mysteries. Each holds the essential elements of the concept.

Post in this thread any questions you have about Mysteries after completing the readings!]]> 2022-01-15 08:42:40 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993379513 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993395051 How are red herrings applied in a mystery story?

Keane, Week 1, Monday]]> 2022-01-15 09:16:07 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993395051 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993396148 Must a mystery story reveal the reason behind the culprit's/ culprits' actions or how they committed the crime?

Keane, Week 1, Monday]]> 2022-01-15 09:18:19 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993396148 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993396329 Are there any mystery stories without clues?

Keane, Week 1, Monday]]> 2022-01-15 09:18:44 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993396329 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993396579 What if the "detective" is actually a regular person without any experience of being a detective? How would the story plot change?

Keane, Week 1, Monday]]> 2022-01-15 09:19:16 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993396579 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993397985 Must there be red herrings in a mystery story?

Jonathan Chan, w1, Monday]]> 2022-01-15 09:22:09 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993397985 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993399950 Do mystery stories need to have someone being murdered?

rizlan week 1]]> 2022-01-15 09:24:57 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993399950 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993400662 Is it still a mystery if the murderer/culprit is also the detective?
rizlan week 1]]> 2022-01-15 09:26:00 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993400662 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993401107 Can mystery stories be told from the murderer/culprit's point of view?
rizlan week 1]]> 2022-01-15 09:26:56 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993401107 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405432 Do all mysteries have to end with the culprit being apprehended? Can the culprit escape in a mystery story?

Jerome, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:36:01 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405432 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405656 Can a mystery story be written in the POV of the culprit?
Jerome, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:36:25 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405656 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405773 Does the culprit need to be only one person?
Edrik, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:36:39 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405773 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405916 are there any stories in which the first mystery leads to many other mysteries?
Timothy, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:36:56 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993405916 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406009 Is there a story where multiple detectives (a team is considered1) exist?
Warrick, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:37:08 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406009 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406116 Do  all mystery stories need to have suspense?
Sean Toh, Week 1 Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:37:22 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406116 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406284 do mystery stories always involve crime? 
shanyuan:), tues

]]> 2022-01-15 09:37:37 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406284 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406390 what are the aspects of a good mystery story?
shanyuan:), tues]]> 2022-01-15 09:37:50 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406390 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406536 is the witnesses' evidence true or false?
Avery Tang, Week 1 Wenesday]]> 2022-01-15 09:38:06 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406536 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406657 What false clues(red herrings) are there?
Avery Tang Week 1 Wenesday

]]> 2022-01-15 09:38:20 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406657 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406810
Do mystery stories always include a crime?
ELLIOT ELIJAH YAO WEEK 1 WEDNESDAY]]> 2022-01-15 09:38:38 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406810 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406906 is it possible for mystery stories are 90% crime and 10% mystery but still be considered Mystery?
Isaac, Week 1, Thursday]]> 2022-01-15 09:38:52 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993406906 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993407041 Do some mystery stories end in a cliffhanger?
Ryan, Week 1, Friday]]> 2022-01-15 09:39:06 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993407041 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993407171 What is the difference between a crime story and a mystery story?
Ryan, Week 1, Friday]]> 2022-01-15 09:39:22 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993407171 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993417222 Also, in Little Schoolhouse Mystery I don't think the killing of animals was a crime? Is murder of animals a crime? In the end it turned out to be a snake... it's normal for animals to eat other animals? 

So, to answer your question, no I don't think someone has to be murdered for it to be a mystery story.

Matthew, Week 1 Friday]]> 2022-01-15 09:58:30 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993417222 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993417711 No one was murdered in Cookie Jar story. So, I guess not? (Sherman, Week 1, Thursday)]]> 2022-01-15 09:59:33 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993417711 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993418615 I don't think Who Stole the Cookies contains a crime... it's just cookies.

Marcus, Week 1, Fri]]> 2022-01-15 10:01:29 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993418615 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993420723 I see that many of you are interested in red herrings (misleading clues that are meant to get the reader and investigator to make the wrong conclusion about the culprit)!  We'll learn about them in Week 6. In Week 7, we'll talk about what they add to mystery stories and how they should be applied.

Mr Ong, Week 1, Wednesday

]]> 2022-01-15 10:05:58 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993420723 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993421660 What do you mean? It can be true or false. A witness could lie. I think the witness can also be the culprit who might be lying to save their own skin.

Shou Yi, Week 1, Wednesday]]> 2022-01-15 10:07:55 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993421660 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993423517 Er... you mean like a riddle? (But that's not a story idk)

Shen Yi, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 10:11:42 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993423517 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993426494 Mr Ong said in class that the mystery must have a Solution or an answer. But just because you know who did it, how they did it and why they did it doesn't mean you've caught the culrpit. So I would say the culprit can escape.

Gregory, Week 2, Wednesday]]> 2022-01-15 10:17:58 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993426494 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993427796 Mr Ong said this is the Motive part of the solution. It's the "why" and "how" of "who did what to whom, why and how."

Gregory, Week 2, Wednesday]]> 2022-01-15 10:20:43 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993427796 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993428812 Sherlock and Watson are considered a team!

Charles, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 10:22:47 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993428812 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993429573 In Who Stole the Cookies it was the cat and the dog. There were two culprits. So it doesn't have to be one and it doesn't even have to be a "person". :) 

Adam, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 10:24:27 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993429573 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993432358 These are great questions, boys!

Once we cover the Essential Elements of Mystery Stories in Week 2, we'll be able to discuss the answers to these questions.
Mr Ong, Week 1, Friday]]> 2022-01-15 10:30:25 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993432358 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993440514 Through filling in the Mystery Story Graphic Organisers at https://moegebr.padlet.org/GEB_CAP/g3ifvuuh3h9jrn4v, we've just learnt that all mysteries contain the following 4 essential elements:
1. Puzzle
2. Investigator
3. Investigation
4. Solution

Now, each of you has been allocated to either Group 1, 2 or 3. Please attempt to answer the questions assigned to your group. All the questions come from Week 1 (thank you Rizlan, Jerome and Keane!)

PS: Later on, (in class or at home) if you have more questions related to the essential elements, you may continue to post them here.

]]> 2022-01-15 10:47:39 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993440514 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993444130 The space below has been reserved for questions and answers in Week 3 only. Please shift any Week 2 notes out of this space!

Mr Ong]]> 2022-01-15 10:55:19 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993444130 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993444497 The space below has been reserved for questions and answers in Week 4 only. Please shift any Week 3 notes out of this space!

Mr Ong]]> 2022-01-15 10:56:02 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993444497 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993448713 Can mystery stories be told from the murderer/culprit's point of view? - Rizlan, Week 1

Can a mystery story be written in the POV of the culprit?
- Jerome, Week 1, Tuesday]]> 2022-01-15 11:05:01 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993448713 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993451077 Is it still a mystery if the murderer/culprit is also the detective?- Rizlan, Week 1]]> 2022-01-15 11:10:11 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993451077 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993453818 What if the "detective" is actually a regular person without any experience of being a detective? How would the story plot change? - Keane, Week 1, Monday]]> 2022-01-15 11:15:59 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993453818 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993458604 It would still be a mystery. It wouldn't change.

James]]> 2022-01-15 11:25:51 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993458604 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993459064 Yes, James, just because the investigator isn't a trained detective, it doesn't mean that the story won't qualify as a mystery. However, Keane is asking - how might the plot change? 

Mr Ong]]> 2022-01-15 11:26:52 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993459064 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993460266 I think a regular person won't have the same kind of resources (finger printing software, criminal databases, handcuffs) as a police detective. So the plot might be more down to earth?

Mark]]> 2022-01-15 11:29:31 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993460266 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993460638 Maybe the story will be more normal?

James]]> 2022-01-15 11:30:26 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993460638 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993461051 A regular person might not be so smart as a detective. Maybe the puzzle they can solve might be simpler as well.

Gary]]> 2022-01-15 11:31:25 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993461051 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993462090 No, I don't think so. Hearing the culprit's POV means that from the start, we'd already know the solution. 

Wen Bo]]> 2022-01-15 11:33:53 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993462090 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993462358 I agree with Wen Bo. There's no suspense...

Paul]]> 2022-01-15 11:34:33 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993462358 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993462733 So does that mean Lamb to the Slaughter (told from culprit's POV) is not considered a mystery story?

Timothy Oh

]]> 2022-01-15 11:35:29 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993462733 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993463683 Maybe? If the culprit doesn't reveal his identity or give away clues to the reader and just describes what's going on as he watches the police try to investigate? I would say that's quite hard to write.

~Alfred]]> 2022-01-15 11:37:47 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993463683 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993464035 Does anyone know a story like this?

Jason]]> 2022-01-15 11:38:28 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993464035 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993465111 so maybe it's possible in theory but its too hard for anyone to do lol]]> 2022-01-15 11:40:31 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993465111 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993466021 Yes, I think so. The narrator could be an unreliable narrator. That's a kind of narrator that the reader cannot really trust. The detective could go along pretending to solve the mystery but be found out at the end. --Jasper]]> 2022-01-15 11:42:40 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993466021 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993466497 I agree with Jasper. I think it's hard to write, though. 

Mr Ong, are we allowed to do this in WA2?
Eric]]> 2022-01-15 11:43:45 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993466497 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993467653 There can also be two investigators. One could be the "real" investigator and the other could be a traitor who turns out to be the culprit. That would be quite a twist!

Jansen!]]> 2022-01-15 11:45:52 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/1993467653 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/2012574748 Ryan & Isaac:
These questions will be answered in class on Week 2. In the meantime, do consider what Marcus is pointing out to Shanyuan and Elliot about how the Cookie Mystery doesn't involve a crime.
What differences do you notice between the Cookie Mystery that isn't a crime story and the Nice Piece of China that is? ]]> 2022-01-26 02:17:20 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/2012574748 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/2394977569 Looks like your friends have answered your questions about investigators of a mystery! Read the responses carefully!

Mr Ong, Week 1, Wednesday

]]> 2022-11-23 03:05:14 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/2394977569 geb_cap https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/2394981765 After we find out what makes a mystery in our lesson on the Essential Elements of Mystery Stories in Week 2, we'll move on to what makes a GOOD mystery. We'll discuss the answers to these questions then.
Mr Ong, Week 1, Friday]]> 2022-11-23 03:09:43 UTC https://padlet.com/moegebr/2022tier2eg1/wish/2394981765