Gatsby Group 4 Socratic Seminar: Topic Question: What does the text creator suggest about the nature of the American dream? by Siobhan Feeney https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7 Backchat for seminar class en-us 2021-10-17 18:27:10 UTC 2021-10-19 19:26:19 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f4b0.png https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828225830 I agree that gatsby's whole reasoning for these parties and such are only to impress daisy, and no matter his wealth it didn't satisfy him without daisy]]> 2021-10-19 18:55:58 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828225830 sharleneh1 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828225845 I think the author criticises American society for depriving Gatsby of his American dream as a result of the country's growing obsession with consumer culture and misconception of the American dream as a conclusion of wealth. ]]> 2021-10-19 18:55:58 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828225845 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828233752 I think the author definitely suggests that the American dream can often de-authenticate a persons true intentions towards their goal, and may leave them using money for wrong or doing it just to boast it off.]]> 2021-10-19 18:59:17 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828233752 I think the author suggests that American Dream will never be fulfilled since it includes constantly reaching for something greater than what we currently have. https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828240309 2021-10-19 19:02:09 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828240309 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828240729 I agree that the American dream is like an illusion and how the racial discrimination contradicts the purpose of the American dream.]]> 2021-10-19 19:02:19 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828240729 Tom's views and the American Dream: ymmag1 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828248876 Tom's racist perspective is a indication of how prejudice can affect the idea of the American Dream. Not everyone during the time period would've been able to amass such riches due to people like Tom sharing his views; note how he mentions that the book is "scientific"; skewed perceptions like these could commonly hinder others from the Dream.]]> 2021-10-19 19:05:53 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828248876 brittone11 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828249200 I think the author shows us that the american dream is reachable, but not as enjoyable as it seems- we can see in tom that he has the true american dream and yet he remains unfulfilled, which is why myrtle is in the pictures. The true american dream may never satisfy those that reach it not matter how perfect it seems]]> 2021-10-19 19:06:01 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828249200 I agree with Ashton when he said that Gatsby put all his eggs in one basket and basically took a risk with the uncertainty of success sharleneh1 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828249333 2021-10-19 19:06:06 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828249333 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828252497 I agree with the idea of "don't put all your eggs in one basket"-Ashton, that Gatsby couldn't balance his desires out, he mainly focused on love.]]> 2021-10-19 19:07:19 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828252497 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828264304 I think settling is part of the American dream, more specifically once you have achieved your goals though. Me personally I would start to settle down once I achieve my goals to have my ideal lifestyle.(inspired by Ashton).]]> 2021-10-19 19:12:41 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828264304 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828266086 I believe that the author feels that the American Dream is hard to reach because of his own personal experiences, and so he made the characters relatable to him and the readers themselves]]> 2021-10-19 19:13:28 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828266086 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828268681 I agree with Crystal that even among the rich there was plenty of division between old and new money. That the American dream is a false promise because you could see poor people working hard but still struggled to get by, or ended up in debt like George Wilson.]]> 2021-10-19 19:14:38 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828268681 The American Dream- Settlement and Nick's character ymmag1 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828270975 In my opinion, I would agree that the American dream can be a legitimate choice; that is, with the understanding of settlement. Actually, Nick is somewhat the foil of Gatsby; Nick does not throw elaborate parties; he lives a fairly quiet life. Additionally, although throughout the course of the novel there was an implied relationship between Nick and Baker, the two respectfully break up, much different to Gatsby's pursuit of the past.]]> 2021-10-19 19:15:40 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828270975 I agree with Nicole, Gatsby's main motive was not the American dream but his love for Daisy. sharleneh1 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828271014 2021-10-19 19:15:41 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828271014 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828276013 The American dream can lead to illegal activities like how Gatsby sold illegal alcohol to get rich, do whatever it takes. (inspired by Isabel).
Or "sacrificing morals"- Crystal.
Wasted most of their life to retire early and have lots of money-Ashton.]]> 2021-10-19 19:17:56 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828276013 Perspectives: Cheating the System ymmag1 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828278897 I also can understand the perspective of desperation and the American Dream; like how it was said that people may be open to illegal activities, all for the benefit of wealth. Notably, Gatsby wouldn't have gotten as big without that of Wolfsheim's aid.]]> 2021-10-19 19:19:20 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828278897 fionab62 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828281552 I just want to add about Mikaela's idea that Gatsby sees wealth as the solution to his problems, pursues money by shady schemes, and reinvents himself so much that he becomes hollow, disconnected from his past. ]]> 2021-10-19 19:20:36 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828281552 mikaelan2 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828283246 -freedom, individuality, and independence are all wanted to achieve the American dream.


]]> 2021-10-19 19:21:21 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828283246 marissad5 https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828293890 We, as a society, have the choice to achieve the American Dream illegally or not, but there will be consequences that will affect not only yourself, but the people around you.]]> 2021-10-19 19:26:19 UTC https://padlet.com/siobhan_feeney2/pkzn1wpeotmhpzv7/wish/1828293890