https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs Was the No Name Woman right for killing herself and her child? Why or why not? Respond here. You must give textual evidence to support your answers. Next, comment on two other people's answers. Make sure to add to the discussion; do not simply say "I agree" or "I disagree." en-us 2018-03-09 16:40:00 UTC 2025-11-30 06:47:12 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240283561 Question 2. I don't think she was "right" to kill herself and her child, but I may understand why she did. She was looked down upon in her culture and everyone in her community was punishing her. It may have seemed like an easy way out of what she was dealing with. Another reason she may have killed herself and the baby is because she may have been raped. Maybe she couldn't handle the trauma and she didn't want the baby to be raised knowing what had happened. However, I don't think suicide was the right choice. ]]> 2018-03-09 17:50:15 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240283561 jputman https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240283615 I think the No Name Woman was not right in killing her daughter with herself. I don't think she should have killed herself in the first place, but I don't think she has the right to take someone else's life. I understand that she did it because he kid would have been ridiculed throughout her lifetime but this still doesn't give her the right to kill the child.]]> 2018-03-09 17:50:23 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240283615 gvincent1 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240283660 I don't think it was right for her to kill herself or the baby. I don't think suicide was the punishment she deserved for her mistakes in life. It was especially wrong for her killing the baby because she had a long life ahead of her.]]> 2018-03-09 17:50:28 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240283660 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240958333 She was not right to kill herself and especially the baby. She ended a life that could have been great and fulfilled. She ended her own life as well. Instead of killing herself she could have just moved away and started a new life with her child. She didn't even die a martyr. She died with everyone hating her for the decisions she made. She could have at least died with some pride while fighting for what she believed in.]]> 2018-03-12 16:06:33 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240958333 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240958426 It is not completely "right" to kill her baby, because of course that is murder. I do understand that she wanted to do it for the help of the society. I just think that she should have been more smart when thinking of what to do. She should have thought about how that may affect her baby's life. The baby had their whole life ahead of them, and she ruined that.]]> 2018-03-12 16:06:44 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240958426 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959484 I don't think the No Name Woman had a right to kill her child, but I do think that the woman had the right to kill herself. The woman should have not been the person to decide if the baby should have dies or not.  The baby was innocent in this situation, and she (baby) should not have been punished for her mother's actions. The No Name Woman could have dealt with her problems, but she killed herself. Suicide is not the answer to your problems. ]]> 2018-03-12 16:08:20 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959484 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959571 2. I can see the reasoning behind the No Name Woman killing herself and her child, but everybody knows that "suicide isn't the answer." She probably felt like there was nothing else that she could do, and what she had done already caused a social suicide.]]> 2018-03-12 16:08:27 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959571 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959650 #2 The no name woman may have been partially right to kill herself and her child. We do not know all of her life circumstances, and she may have been saving her child from a worthless life. On page 15, it is said that "it was probably a girl; there is some hope of forgiveness for boys" when referring to the baby. However, it would be far better to find an alternative, such as immigrate or hand off the baby.
#3 The "roundness" seems to be the illusion that what is not regular is bad or unhealthy. The phenomenon is demonstrated when the villagers confront the woman to show the "personal, physical representation of the break she made in the roundness." In this way, it would be nearly impossible for the no name woman to conform back into the system, and any sympathetic to her would need to keep their mouths shut. ]]> 2018-03-12 16:08:33 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959650 iwilliamson_student_lncharter_org https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959980 It wasn't necessarily right for the No Name Woman to kill her child, but I get why she was driven to do so. She was pushed away from her family for something that may or may not have been her choice (rape, affair), causing her to possibly be wrongly isolated. Killing the baby may not have been a proper response to this isolation, but I understand why she may have thought that it was the only way out of her situation.]]> 2018-03-12 16:09:01 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240959980 Jacob_Pinard https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240960023 #2 The No Name Woman was not right to kill herself and her child. In committing suicide, she made it so that her child is never given a chance. Her child never did anything wrong and didn't deserve to die.]]> 2018-03-12 16:09:05 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240960023 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240961484 Question 3. The term "roundness" refers to the way their society operates and the standards they follow to make their society "round." This impacts her because since she "broke the roundness" in the society, everyone came for her and tried to punish her. The no name woman acted in a way that messed up the "perfect" and honorable society.]]> 2018-03-12 16:11:07 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240961484 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240961629 The roundness refers to the way that they keep the organization of the society. The no name woman, ruined this smoothness. They had a right to shun her because she messed up their culture. If the culture wasn't so reliant on each other, then I do not believe the shunning would be okay. ]]> 2018-03-12 16:11:20 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240961629 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240962294 3. "Roundness" symbolizes the organization of the community. Everything fall into it's place and it's the same cycle everyday. The No Name Woman did something that completely messed with the organization of the community. This emotionally impacted Kingston because I believe that Kingston can empathize wit those feelings of disorganization and confusion.]]> 2018-03-12 16:12:19 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240962294 skatie760 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240962662 Question 2: I understand why the No name woman ended up killing her baby with herself. However, looking at it a perspective from our society, it was not right for her to kill her baby. Killing her baby was murder. Kingston writes "Sometimes a vision of normal comfort obliterated reality: she saw a family in the evening gambling at the dinner table...When these pictures burst, the stars drew yet further apart" (Kingston 14). The No Name Woman did this because she was isolated from her family, but she shouldn't have killed her child because of this.  ]]> 2018-03-12 16:12:55 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240962662 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963126 #3: "Roundness" means community and cooperation. The No Name Woman supposedly broke the roundness in her community. This led to the villagers attacking Kingston's aunt. The aunt also brought great dishonor to her family. Kingston does not want to dishonor her family, but she wants her aunt's story to get out.  ]]> 2018-03-12 16:13:35 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963126 Jacob_Pinard https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963617 #3 The significance of the term "roundness" in Chinese culture is that everyone in the community is connected: everyone does everything to help the community. This cultural expectation causes the "No Name Woman" to be attacked by everyone in the community because they think that she broke the roundness. Kingston is affected by roundness because all of the stories that are told to her are bent to conform to the ideals of a community ruled by roundness.]]> 2018-03-12 16:14:15 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963617 jputman https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963779 "Roundness" in the story refers to the way you are supposed to act in the society and the  standards for different people. This expectation of the no name woman lead to the society turning on her and eventually leading to her suicide.]]> 2018-03-12 16:14:29 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963779 gvincent1 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963925 "Roundness" in their society refers to the standards the people in their society follow to make the society "round" and whole. The "roundness" affects her because she did something she wasn't supposed to and broke the roundness.]]> 2018-03-12 16:14:42 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240963925 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240964006 The roundness of the society symbolizes the perfect, fluent way that things happened. Meaning everyone stayed in their lane and played their role in society. Once a person steps out of line, Kingston's aunt, people get mad and things start to go south. When the rounded is broken people will get hurt and bad things will happen. When everyone focuses on the roundness of society everything runs smoothly.]]> 2018-03-12 16:14:50 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240964006 iwilliamson_student_lncharter_org https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240965061 Roundness relates to keeping the culture "whole" and basically pure. This expectation is what caused the No Name Woman to be isolated and what ultimately led her to kill herself and her baby. Kingston is also greatly influenced to help maintain the roundness of her culture by being told the story of the No Name Woman. ]]> 2018-03-12 16:16:26 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240965061 iwilliamson_student_lncharter_org https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240969304 2018-03-12 16:22:49 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/240969304 skatie760 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/241117873 Question 3: The "roundness" in this society is referring to the perfectness of the society and the strict rules you must follow in order to maintain that roundness. For the No Name Woman, she supposedly broke this roundness and felt isolated because of it. For Kingston, the No Name Woman story of her breaking the roundness has caused Kingston to fear messing up in her society and being forgotten. At the end of the story, her mother says "Don't humiliate us. You wouldn't like to be forgotten as if you have never been born" (Kingston 5). Kingston does not want to break this roundness and is scared of doing so.  ]]> 2018-03-12 20:50:41 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/241117873 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242463868 I don't agree with the fact that she did kill herself and her child, but it was very understandable. The people who destroyed her home and chased her away could have ended up harming her child. She was considered dishonorable so maybe her child would be treated that way as well. It was good of her to get away from them, though death was not the best option. ]]> 2018-03-15 16:27:37 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242463868 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242466652 I don't agree with the fact that she did kill herself and her child, but it was very understandable. The people who destroyed her home and chased her away could have ended up harming her child. She was considered dishonorable so maybe her child would be treated that way as well.  It was good of her to get away from them, though death was not the best option. ]]> 2018-03-15 16:32:21 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242466652 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242467401 The roundness in Chinese culture is the relationship between people in the culture. Everyone relies on someone else and they help others. Everyone has a purpose. The significance of the No Name Woman breaking this roundness is the fact that the relationships were broken. They broke her stuff, chased her away and drove her to kill herself. Kingston learns to try and maintain her honor, so she is not rejected like the no name woman. ]]> 2018-03-15 16:33:40 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242467401 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242498412 I don't agree with that she killed both herself and her baby. It brings more dishonor to herself and the family. The baby was innocent and cant control that she had intercourse with another man.]]> 2018-03-15 17:21:48 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242498412 https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242602534 The term roundness meant that the society as a whole would function without any corners or turns that can slow down the functions of the traditions and culture of China. The Aunt was a example of a barrier or a corner of the circle that caused everybody to slow down. By abandoning her they reassembled the circle.]]> 2018-03-15 21:07:15 UTC https://padlet.com/catherine_n_hoffmann/pbnwldqpzuhs/wish/242602534