The catcher in the rye by Vilma Bergström https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o Amanda B, Nora, Vilma, Carl, and Alicia en-us 2017-09-29 06:31:12 UTC 2017-11-19 11:45:30 UTC hello@padlet.com Alicia Coe Boström, 1 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/194569055 I expect it to be a novel about teenagers, but not an average romcom novel. From the pages we have already read I think this novel might be a bit similar to the one we read a couple of years ago, Thirteen reasons why. This because the style of writing seems similar. The main character does not care about school and does not worry about his future. I suspect the book will reveal his story as well as tell us why Holden has no concerns for his future. I expect it to be quite a sad story, since I suspect the reason to why Holden doesn’t care is tragic. I do expect it to be quite a “pageturner”.
I have read the Harry Potter series which have been read by a great amount of people, that is probably the book I have read which have been read by so many before me. The main character is Holden Caulfield, who is a troubled teenager who doesn’t have any concerns for his future, he has been expelled from a couple of schools. Holden Caulfield who is a bit of a rebellion.
]]> 2017-10-06 07:02:58 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/194569055 Carl Bernhardsson, 1 carlbernhardsson https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/194573953 Since “The Catcher in the Rye” has been read by a large number of people I obviously think it will be a special one. Having read a few pages, I get the feeling it’s a pretty sad novel. The main character is Holden, a teenager who has been kicked out of several schools, now studying at Pencey Prep. As a contrast to Alicia I think that Holden actually cares about school but it’s not easy for him. I think Holden has got a lot of anger in him. ]]> 2017-10-06 07:27:41 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/194573953 Vilma Bergström, 1 vilmer24 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/194595167 My expectation about the novel is quite big because I actually don’t enjoy reading, if the book doesn’t catch my interests. For about a year ago I read the book The Fault in our stars that became very popular. I first find it when I saw the movie and then my friends told me to read the book because it was way better then the movie, so I picked up the novel and then I was stuck. The book brings so much feelings and that’s what I like. I hope that The Catcher in the Rye will be quite similar as The fault in our stars, with much feelings and lots of happenings because otherwise I think I will lose my interest. 
After reading some chapters I think it might be good, the main character Holden is hard to read because he is kind of depressing all the time. It feels like he´s hiding something or he wants to run away. 
]]> 2017-10-06 08:52:09 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/194595167 Vilma Bergström, 2 vilmer24 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/196217418 I think Holden lies a lot because he is insecure, he’s whole life has been a roller coaster, moving from school to school and he doesn’t have a safe point. It feels like he puts himself in trouble all the time. He has very mixed feelings towards people that describes in the book and that’s why I think its very hard to get to know Holden. Maybe its just me but I feel as a wrote in my last post, I think he´s hiding something, I don’t know what yet but I have my speculations. I think the book up to now are quite tough and Holden shares very much thoughts so I want something to happen so I don´t lose my interest, I hope and I feel like its on its way to point of no return. ]]> 2017-10-11 20:39:43 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/196217418 Alicia Coe Boström, 2 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198579405 Holden says that he is feeling depressed a lot towards the end of chapter eleven. I don’t know why but I feel like Holden lacks positive emotions in his life and might actually be depressed. He describes a lot of feelings towards other people, such as jealousy, pity, ager and irritation. He also quite often presumes the people around him to be idiots or morons as he says. I think his lying might be a way he is trying to make life more interesting, or it might be a way to distance himself from what he actually is feeling. It could be a combination of both, where Holden is trying to distance himself from what actually is happening in his life by creating a more interesting version. I would say at this point in the book we just entered the point of no return.  
 
]]> 2017-10-19 09:49:44 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198579405 Carl Bernhardsson, 2 carlbernhardsson https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198795420 I think the reason why Holden is telling a lot of lies is simply because of immaturity and imbalance. It’s very often when there’s no reason for the lies he tells and I think he does it to deflect attention from himself. In this section of the book almost all of Holden’s thoughts are about other people, Phoebe and Jane for example. He doesn’t focus on himself and his own problems because he always talks about the weird and stupid world around him. It’s clear that he’s lonely and all he needs right now is a friend he can talk to. I feel that the story about Holden is only going downwards, he is just getting sadder and more desperate for every day. We have come a long way into the novel and I feel that it’s too late for a happy ending.]]> 2017-10-19 17:39:29 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198795420 Amanda Beiningsdóttir 3 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198946478 It seems like Holden has a very narrow minded view on not only women, but everyone. Some sort of tunnel vision which is seemingly tainted by his depression. He does not seem to have the typical "I can't get out of my bed" depression, but more of the "What's the point" type. This view of life I believe stems from the loss of his little brother. The results seems to be that he closes his mind off completely and only views things the way he sees them the first time, so judgemental thoughts along with mediocre first impressions and stereotypes might be just how he experiences everything and everyone. 

When it comes to money, he seems to be somewhat reckless/careless, he doesn't bother picking up his change at stores or sending the money back to his relative who seems to have some sort of dementia, believing it's his birthday 12 months a year. Neither does he have any ambitious dreams to become wealthy like his father. Perhaps was it so that his father was never really around before his brother died, or he feels that the value of money is not worthy the  hours of his life. After his brothers death, maybe he only wants to do what he wants, since you never know when death is by the corner.

This subject touches the third and last question, about religion. He seems to have complications with it. Just like the documentary about suicide committers at the Golden Gate Bridge, I saw what religion can do to one. There were interviews with the victims family and while some of them had accepted it and moved on, others had turned to religion believing they are in heaven, and since people who commit suicide go to hell, they are positive about that their relatives did not actually commit suicide, but that god wanted them as their angels, or that they were pushed, fallen or possessed. These people I believe are in some kind of denial. Then there are those who once were religious or something else whom had completely tossed their believes away, hating everything that has to do with religion and has the mind set of "If there is a god, why did this happen..." sort of thing. I don't remember any concrete "evidence" of him having complications with religion, but based on his personality and past, this is my conclusion. ]]> 2017-10-20 06:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198946478 Nora Rahm, 1 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198947111 I expect the novel to bee quite interesting. If such a big number of people have read it I’ve got a very high expectation on the standard of the book. I have not read so many books in general but a lot of the books I have read is the once who gone viral around the world. 
The main character in this book Is Holden Caulfield. I get the feeling he’s quite lost as a person. He’s always takes the easy way out and don’t think so much about people but himself. I don’t get the feeling that he doesn’t care about other, rather the opposite. It’s just that he has lost himself, then it’s hard to be there for others. I think he is a hard character to get so far. 
]]> 2017-10-20 06:37:54 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198947111 Nora Rahm, 2 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198947247 I think for the most part he is lying because he is bored. He feels like person who wants action, at pretty inconvenient and unrealistic moments. For an example he is always escaping his problems rather than solving them, like in school. I also think it has to do with his past, that he doesn’t really show. Maybe he feels bad for failing and playing careless instead. He feels like an emotional person, he has a lot to say about everything and comment on what others are doing. It could have something to do, by commenting on other people he doesn’t need to think about himself as much and his flaws or weaknesses. It feels like he has very strong feelings about most things for the better and worse. He expresses it to himself anyways. He gets strong feelings about something when it buggers him, or it moves him such as Jane and his siblings. 
It feels like you have gotten a better clue on who he is as a person further in in the book, but in the same way he comes across as a bit of an introvert towards other people who is getting to know him, it’s difficult to really understand him. 
We are in the elaboration phase. 
]]> 2017-10-20 06:38:59 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198947247 Carl Bernhardsson, 3 carlbernhardsson https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198950241  Holden thinks that women want men with much power and control. You get to know this when he waits for Sunny in his hotel room. And about his relationship to money, Holden mentions that his father often get angry when Holden loses things. When he bumps into the two nuns at the sandwich bar he forces them to receive ten dollars from him as charity. He realizes that he needs money although he regrets having given only ten dollars. He then says money contributes for people’s depressions. Earlier when Sunny had left Holden’s hotel room, he felt like praying, but his thoughts on religion stopped him. Then again he did give money to those two nuns… ]]> 2017-10-20 06:58:23 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/198950241 Vilma Bergström, 3 vilmer24 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/200201429 Holden knows that women takes place and they want control. Mainly, he has a difficulty with people, also women. He seems to not understand them but somehow does he know (sometimes) how to treat them and you get to know that, like Carl wrote, when Holden waits for Sunny in his hotel room. 
Holden grew up in a family with a dad who had huge ambitions and dreams about being rich and have lots of money. Towards Holden he is the opposite, Holden is quite carless when it comes to money. He doesn’t bother taking a cab somewhere for a big amount or picking up change at the store. 
He has also complications with religion. Several times Holden discusses the subject. He says that religion kind of changes the relationship between people. He mentioned in the book he once had a conversation with a friend and when he finds out Holden wasn´t in the same religion as him, he found the conversation less enjoyable. 
]]> 2017-10-24 20:42:18 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/200201429 Alicia Coe Boström, 3 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/200707929 Holden has a complicated relationship with women, as he has with most things. At some parts of the novel or rather with some women it is obvious to Holden how he should treat women, as with Jane. But in the part where Holden meets Sunny we learnt that Holden believes women want powerful men with control, as Vilma and Carl mentioned. 
Holden’s relationship with money is also complicated. He refuses to pay the five extra dollars Sunny requests, but when he insist on giving the nuns ten dollar he regrets not have given them more. In some ways, he is quite careless about money, he doesn’t bother to pick up his change at the store. 
Holden is not quite sure about religion, he has an urge to pray when Sunny left him but did not because his logical thoughts about religion. He is not catholic, and do not like being asked about it, which he is a lot because of his Irish last name. He discusses religion quite a bit through the book, he thinks religion changes the relationship between people. 
 
]]> 2017-10-26 08:03:19 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/200707929 Alicia Coe Boström, 4 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/201101633 The museum is in some way a symbol for Holden’s feelings about changing and growing up. Holden doesn’t want to grow up in my opinion. “Certain things, you ought to be able to stick in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone”. He is talking about the Indian room, which always stays the same, and the children, who is always changing. Holden says that the people change with the examples; hearing parents fight and seeing gasoline puddles, signs of awareness and mental growth signs of physical aging, something I am not sure Holden wants age physically. I am experiencing Holden as much more depressed at this point in the novel compared to the beginning of the novel. 
Holden’s date with Sally shows that he cannot deal with complexity, conflict and change of real life. After his date he visits the museum, a place where he can judge the exhibits, but the exhibits can’t judge him, a place in isolation where there is no stress. Holden is unwilling to confront his own problems, shortcomings and inner demons. He never addresses his own emotions or tries to discover the sours of his problems. Instead of acknowledging that he is afraid of growing up, Holden holds on to some illusion that adulthood is a world of hypocrisy and shallowness (“phoniness”). Phoniness in Holden’s opinion, stands for everything that is wrong.
Holden is almost traumatized and very aware of death and how fragile life is, this because his brother died in a car crash. He has a hard time finding a meaning in life after his brother’s sudden death. It is also clear that he really misses him. Holden’s genuine interest and curiosity about the ducks in central park shows a younger and more carefree side of him, instead of the grumpy and uninterested side we are used to. Holden is terrified of change and the fact that stuff can disappear. The ducks vanish every winter, but appear every spring again. This is not really change it’s more of a cyclical pattern. The pond is also a metaphor for Holden himself; the pond I partly frozen and partly not, it’s between two phases. Holden is also between two phases, childhood and adulthood. 
Holden enjoys reading Phoebes notes to her friends, her random notes and her curious questions. Holden says, “he could read that kind of stuff all day and all night long”. In her notebook, Phoebe writes exactly what she is thinking, new names and random questions. 
]]> 2017-10-27 07:14:22 UTC https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/201101633 Nora Rahm, 3 https://padlet.com/vilmer24/p63va4i1oy2o/wish/204435737 Holden has a pretty variegated view on women in my opinion. He sees everyone in the same way and can’t make a big picture about women not having the same interests or strengths as each other. He has a general respect towards women but the view on them are usually formed into the same view. 
When it comes to money it feels as if he is a bit of a slob and doesn’t care too much, I have that feeling about him as a person. He often uses more money in a situation where he’s in a kind of character, and as we know it usually happens when he doesn’t say who he really is. He has talked about his father having pretty much money and from that I get the feeling he’s never seen money as an issue, it basically comes to him when he needs it. Although he is aware of it eventually going to run out, he doesn’t adjust himself to this, instead he uses it all up anyways. 
Religion is something Holden seems to have negative thought about. He thinks that it feels like you have to be in a religion and those who are in a religion wants everybody to be in their religion by talking about it to everyone all the time. Which Holden doesn’t appreciate.

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