The Hyacinth Girl - stanza 3 by https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58 en-us 2022-05-12 00:24:59 UTC 2022-05-16 01:46:13 UTC hello@padlet.com Does the Hyacinth Garden represent the church? ikmur https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180294586 This stanza could be interpreted as representing Jesus, the church and resurrection. Hyacinths have a religious connotation. Giving some white hyacinths means that you are praying for them, and a hyacinth garden is sometimes thought of as a church.

"Your arms full" -of hyacinths. 
"Your hair wet" -from being baptised. Baptism is a new beginning, a re-brith or change which is a common theme in the wasteland.
The rest of the stanza could be describing the narrator dying.
"Looking into the heart of the light" The light could be Jesus or heaven - the final light. 

Although, this interpretation does not take into account the german opera above. It also does not explain the characters or perspective used. 
T.S Eliot's feelings towards religion while writing this was very negative. it seems weird he would reference a hyacinth garden at all since he was very critical of the catholic chruch and of the idea around ressurection.]]> 2022-05-12 00:40:00 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180294586 Who is the narrator of the stanza? - male lover, Tristan character epin31 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180299857 Potentially the stanza is written through the eyes of the male love, the quotation is the Hyacinth girl's perspective, before it returns to the mans perspective. 
He is with his second love the Hyacinth girl after singing to his true love the Irish love, however this love is not real. In the end he is looking into the heart of light, love. This should be the Hyacinth girl, but he is silent because he is a lot looking into the one he sings to which is his true love who he cannot be with. ]]> 2022-05-12 00:43:42 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180299857 The stanza reflects the grief of experiencing either a metaphorical or literal death within a relationship. msnei1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180304250 when the narrator remembers his time in the hyacinth garden he feels neither living nor dead, stuck in limbo between remembering/attempting to maintain a love he holds and knowing that it is out of his grasp. it reflects how relationships can be so deeply ingrained that if someone dies it feels as if you have to. This is also links back to the stanzas opera reference, which ends in two reunited lovers dying in each others arms. ]]> 2022-05-12 00:46:46 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180304250 Opera lines epin31 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180304573 Frisch weht der Wind
the wind is blowing fresh 
Der Heimat zu,
Mein Irisch Kind
the home to my Irish child 
Wo weilest du?
where are you staying?
This is from is the happy part of the Opera. Tristan is singing to Isolde, his Irish child. they are under the influence of a love potion and infatuated with each other.

Oed’ und leer das Meer.
Desolate and empty is the sea
The story has gone bad. The sea that they once sailed on and fell in love over has become desolate and empty. Ot has become apparent, to the viewer, that their love was artificial and not true love. Which is not accomplishable. 
]]> 2022-05-12 00:47:00 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180304573 Hyacinths in greek mythology icpum1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180317281 In greek mythology, Hyacinthus was a spartan prince, who possessed extraordinary beauty and was a lover of Apollo, the god of sun. While they were playing a game of discus together Apollo threw the discus and Hyacinthus ran after it hoping to impress him. However, he ended up being struck by the discus. Although Apollo attempted to save him, he was unable to. To honour him, he made a flower bloom from the drops of his blood which created the hyacinth. ]]> 2022-05-12 00:56:51 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180317281 sense of bittersweet. msnei1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180317564 The poem reflects how bittersweet something traditionally seen as comforting or secure can be when it is unable to evoke the emotions it one did and instead poses as a reminder of loss. This is reflected within the opera lines because his great love no longer brings him comfort, but sorrow instead. The symbolism of hyacinths hold the same effect because of their association with peace beauty and spring (relates back to previous stanza) and then in contrast, their use at funerals and representation of deep sorrow.]]> 2022-05-12 00:57:05 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180317564 Opera inspiration ikmur https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180318637 "Your arms full, and your hair wet,"
This line could be inspired by the opera referenced at the beginning of the stanza. In the opera, the sailor dies at sea holding his love in his arms. 
So it could be interpreted as; 
Your arms full -of a dead body. 
Your hair wet -from the ocean.

]]> 2022-05-12 00:57:57 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180318637 "Literary Analysis of Eliot's Hyacinth Pair from the Wasteland" mikos1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180326703 2022-05-12 01:04:45 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180326703 Pre or Post Wasteland? mikos1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180328786 There are a few things within this stanza that point to a Pre-Wasteland Setting. For one thing, the poem's use of past tense, with words like 'gave', 'called', 'came', and 'knew', implies that the narrator is reflecting back on a past event. The story of this stanza is based around an implied romantic connection between 2 people, and with the context given through the previous stanzas, it is difficult to believe that something as seemingly trivial as romance, with dates that end 'late' in 'the Hyacinth garden', could exist in the world of the Wasteland. 
However, a strong feeling of sorrow can be felt throughout the stanza, particularly in the second half. This negative emotion aligns with the attitudes of those in the Post-Wasteland world.

]]> 2022-05-12 01:06:23 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180328786 Helpful summary of The Opera epin31 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180328997 https://tseliotsthewasteland.fandom.com/wiki/Tristan_und_Isolde

]]> 2022-05-12 01:06:35 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180328997 Meanings behind Hyacinths icpum1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180331694 Hyacinths are seen a symbol of peace and commitment and in the Christian church it can symbolise love and happiness.

Hyacinths are also commonly used at funerals, since they add a sweet fragrance and can represent a deep sorrow which links back towards Apollo and Hyacinthus.]]> 2022-05-12 01:08:30 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180331694 A lack of control msnei1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180394035 Lines 8,9 and 10 of the stanza all end in similar remarks. 'I could not, I was neither' and finally 'I knew nothing' all portray a sense of holding no control. Elliot attempts to show how in a post-war world (or even just the world in general), in which so many had been killed in such a nonsensicle manor, there is ultimately no way to control fate and any attemps to influence to the future are futile. this links back to the operas theme of two lovers trying to manufacture a true romance but only ending in loss and grief. It comes back to the idea that ultimately death rules us all. ]]> 2022-05-12 01:53:36 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2180394035 Tristan and Isolde mikos1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2183661204 Tristan and Isolde is a chivalric romance that has been told in numerous variations since the 12th century.
The story follows the young prince Tristan's travels to Ireland to bring back Isolde for his uncle, King Mark of Cornwall, to marry. On the journey home, they ingest a love potion, which causes the pair to fall madly in love. Although Isolde marries Mark, and Tristan marries another woman, the spell forces Isolde and Tristan to seek each other as lovers. At the end of the play, Tristan is shot by a poison arrow. As he dies, he sends a letter to Isolde asking her to come to see him before his death, but his wife tells him that she is certain she will not come, and Tristan dies without ever seeing her again. However, Isolde does come. Upon seeing Tristan's body, she gathers him in an embrace and dies of grief with him in her arms.]]> 2022-05-14 05:45:42 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2183661204 Frisch weht der wind / Der Heimat zu / Mein Irisch Kind, / Wo weilest du? mikos1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2183662025 These lyrics are taken from the Opera of Tristan and Isolde. In the play, they are words of happiness, longing, and desire—Tristan longs to return to his lover, and he finds solace in the memory of Isolde, knowing he’ll return to her as soon as he can.]]> 2022-05-14 05:48:40 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2183662025 Disillusionment of Perfect Love mikos1 https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2184142399 This stanza could be interpreted as someone falling out of love with their partner, as they become disillusioned with the idea of a Perfect Love or relationship. There is this metaphorical death of a relationship, as the narrator withdraws from their relationship. They are no longer giving themselves to the relationship, or to their partner, who once received so many hyacinths from the narrator that they were adorned with the title of 'hyacinth girl. Now, when looking 'into the heart of light' in their partner, all they feel and hear is 'silence.' A weary stillness where there should be a fluttering heartbeat or a million thoughts. The narrator doesn't dislike their partner, but has become so disillusioned with any idea of love or romance that they feel nothing - they are 'neither living nor dead' and exist in a limbo-like state within their relationship. When they reflect on this, they peer into the 'Meer' (sea) and find it 'Oed' und leer' (Desolate and Empty). ]]> 2022-05-14 23:32:49 UTC https://padlet.com/epin31/ovmm0c56ytsc3b58/wish/2184142399