Period 5: Rhetoric and Lord of the Flies by Madeleine Lubin https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031 Type a claim and embed the quote provided to you into your commentary. You can fragment the quote however you need to. 5-8 sentences. en-us 2018-03-05 05:21:22 UTC 2023-01-29 07:14:09 UTC hello@padlet.com Bryan Franco bryanf4307 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238341898 In the world that we live in, Man makes Society. When the kids find out they're alone they begin to get rowdy and Ralph takes initiative to put order. This is evident when the group agrees that they, "ought to have a chief to decide things". This is a perfect example due to how Ralph puts order and society into the group of young men. As a result this exemplifies man making society.

]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:23 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238341898 JJ Gonzalez joseg0512 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238341974 In the Lord of the Flies. Man makes Society because Ralph wants to have a chief on the island to decide things in order for the boys to survive. Ralph realizes that they need a chief and tells the boys it, "seems that we ought to have a chief to decide things." Man makes Society because it shows how Ralph wants to have a chief to control the boys and make them get supplies for them in order to survive. He also decides to have a chief because all the boys were talking and deciding things to do, so he said we should have a chief to decide the things on the island.]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:32 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238341974 Aaron Guiao aarong4026 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238341989 In the novel Lord of the Flies. Man makes society. Ralph's leadership shows that with no boundaries in society, the boys are turning into "wild animals." showing that the absence of society is causing to corrupt their minds and have their inner ID takeover themselves.
Ralph is frustrated at, "How little he thought like a grown up."  He is upset at himself because Ralph is at a young age, where he is still experimenting to figure out who he is. Pathos]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:34 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238341989 Kyle Jennejohn kylej3808 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342020 Ralph's lack of leadership shows that with the absence of society the boys are turning into wild animals proving that with the absence of society the boys corrupt and their ID starts to take over.  Ralph realized "...How little he thought like a grownup" and is only able to be a boy at his age. He is losing control of the island and everyone has left his tribe. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342020 Juliann Melara juliannm5315 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342043 The reason behind having hunters is to kill the pigs for food and not pleasure. "The hunters thoughts were crowded with memories...of the knowledge... that they had outwitted a living thing..." The hunters felt as if they had more of an upper hand when it came to hunting the pigs, they felt a sense of power.The hunters had, "...taken away its life like a long satisfying drink.". The hunters have changed there way to savagery and have become blood thirsty.     ]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:41 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342043 Matias Gibertoni matiasg3559 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342057 To the day one was born and to the moment they die, society controls the actions during the lifetime of man. This concept applies to especially Jack out of all the boys on the island, as Jack let's all of his "...laughter become a bloodthirsty snarling" and he lets himself be free from the control of the conch, beginning "...to dance" to his own will, presenting a very savage image. The conch is the society, and order. At first under the acceptance of the conch, Jack cooperated easily with Ralph and Piggy. Now that Jack had decided to abandon the conch, it no longer leads his actions to a reasonable sense, Jack drives away from this path and goes towards the "Id" aspect of his mind, while the conch would prefer his mind to go to the "ego". Which is primarily why Ralph is attached to the conch, Ralph represents the ego out of the three leaders.]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:43 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342057 Lisbeth Cabrera lisbethc2418 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342066 Society makes man on the island. This is because they try to use their society norms on the island. Since they are stranded on an island away from society Jack feels the need to say "we've got to have rules and obey them". This an example of how society will change man in the way they live, think and behave. Just like jack, society has made it's impact on how he lives under rules that society has come up with.]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342066 Christian Torres christiant3124 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342070 In the world of The Lord of the Flies it's Man makes Society.  It's man makes society because if you were to be on an island with no adults most people would choose a "...chief to decide things."  This is a good example because it would seem like the most logical thing to do. This proves man makes society because they decided to have a leader to be in charge of a small civilization, so this proves man makes society because man is taking care of society in this book. In conclusion man does make society in the book Lord of the Flies.]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342070 Samuel Tacalo samuelt5262 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342071 Man makes society, because Jack influences the other boys by when " he giggled and flecked them with blood, while they laughed". He makes savage like actions seem funny and normal to the boys, when in reality Jack's behaviors is chaotic.]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342071 Jenny Martinez jennym4304 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342099 Society makes man, now that Ralph and the boys are trapped on the island they are returning to societal norms.  
Jack explains society has order when he says,
"we've got to have rules and obey them". Society controls how men act and without rules they would be savages. 
]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342099 Karla Campos karlac3687 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342123 Society makes man because Ralph now sees that he can't be a man at the age that he is at right now, which makes it seem as though he can't handle things. Everyone there knows that he's the head person so everyone is trying to count on him to straighten things out and get everything the way it should be. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342123 Monica Smith monicas5842 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342124 Man makes society, because......In the book the hunters started off killing pigs for food and not for pleasure. Once the sow came into play they killed it for food until they put it on a stake for everyone to see. They killed it for the satisfaction of its death and their power. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:26:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342124 Kaya Paikoff https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342231 "Law and rescue" refers to man making the society whereas "hunting and breaking things up" refers to society making the man. Piggy is a more civilized character in the book who believes law and rescue is more important. Law refers to order that Piggy wants to instill on the island along with rescue being the main goal. Jack is the more savage and barbaric character that breaks away from the main goal of rescue and focuses on hunting and autonomy. The island symbolizing society is what is changing the "man" which refers to the children. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:05 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342231 Haris Flores harisf4407 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342235 Society makes man because society builds and creates how a man should act and obey, Jack says that,"We've got to have rules and obey them...we're not savages." the boys make rules and try to obey them. If they don't obey these rules, they are savages. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:06 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342235 Nayeli Hernandez nayelih4306 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342262 In the book the hunters kill the pig . It’s not that they wanted to do it for fun but they killed the pig to not starve to death “]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342262 Eirin Rodriguez eirinr4532 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342266 Men make society because since Jack is a leader, he is an example to the kids. And jack is influencing the kids to do things. This is proven when "[Jack] giggled and flecked them [with blood] while the boys laughed". This means that jack is making the kids do things. the kids will follow whatever Jack does.]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342266 Lizbeth Ledesma https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342331 Society makes man based on the quote, "I ought to be chief," said Jack with simple arrogance, "because I'm chapter chorister and head boy. I can sing C-sharp" Jack says that he is chapter chorister and head boy and hes stating that he has experience of being a leader. Which is logos, he thinks just because he plays a part of society he should be chief.]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342331 Paula Gavina paulag4719 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342422 Society makes the man because they made rules to follow but break them. Rule cause people to]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342422 Moises Villafana moisesv4222 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342478 In this quote it is evident that there is a direct appeal to "society makes man". It expresses such a thing through rhetoric, specifically pathos. The author implies that Jack has become savage, giving us explicit gory imagery of Jack dancing and laughing maniacally. Such imagery is a good example of pathos as he makes the reader feel thing that aren't necessarily pleasant. In a conclusion, without the constructs society places for mankind, Jack would not have had begun to dance and develop a maniacal "bloodthirsty snaring". ]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:39 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342478 Jaime Jaimes https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342546 Man makes society.
Man makes society because in order for there to be rules or some kind of order some has had to make the rules. if someone where to ask you "which is better- to have rules and agree or to hunt and kill?" someone civilized would say to have rules because than you would be able to have order and it wouldn't be chaotic. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342546 brandonf3877 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342613 2018-03-05 20:27:55 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342613 Romi Otis romio3008 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342630 Ralph was upset to find out he can't be like a man because he's a boy himself so the boys don't take him serious and mistreat him. He says, "the boys are becoming crazy and savages." It made him upset because society does not take him serious people he's a kid. He was losing control of the island and everyone. He realizes that it has became out of control.]]> 2018-03-05 20:27:57 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342630 Rebeca rebecam3709 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342675 This quote supports that "man makes society" because the boys are going along with what Jack is doing and supporting his behavior when "he giggled and flecked them with blood while the boys laughed at his reeking palms." because the boys make up the society that they live in and the fact that they're being influenced by Jack, means that society is being influenced by man.  ]]> 2018-03-05 20:28:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342675 Jason Serrano jasons3732 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342880 Man makes society alike the lord of the flies, " which is better to have rules and agree or to hunt and kill?" Man has the choice to do what they want, whether to follow rules or be savages.

]]> 2018-03-05 20:28:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238342880 Jeffrey Vazquez jeffreyv4938 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238343662 In the book, They have hunters to get food not for there pleasure. The quote explains that ]]> 2018-03-05 20:30:17 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238343662 Nevaeh Valenzuela nevaehv3651 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238344291 Society makes the man because in "Lord of the Flies" piggy notices the boys were acting crazy because there is no order on the island. He frustratedly asks, " what are we? Humans? or animals? or savages?" This is a rhetorical question. The boys are not under the order of society's rules. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:31:47 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238344291 Destiny hernandez https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238344681 People always ask “does man make society” or “does society make the man” based on Jack’s statement, “I ought to be chief, “said Jack with simple arrogance, “because I’m chapter chorister and head boy. I can sing C-sharp,” society makes the man. When Jack says that that he is chapter chorister and head boy he is just stating facts about himself which is logos. He thinks just because he plays a part in society he should be named chief. Society is clearly making him turn into an arrogant person. ]]> 2018-03-05 20:32:40 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238344681 Carolina Naxi carolinan1157 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238344729 Man makes society by having people to realize what on their chief to help society to decide on what they plan to accomplish what them man needs, "to have a chief to decide things." ]]> 2018-03-05 20:32:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238344729 zorayab5125 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238347870  
I believe that society makes the man. This is proven when Jack claims arrogantly ,"I ought to be chief." This is logos because it claims the life of Jack in his "old" society when he was a  "chapter chorister and head boy" which now in this new society on land makes him want to be chief. 
]]> 2018-03-05 20:39:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238347870 Karla Sotelo karlas4338 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238349923 Society makes the man. Without order we don't know, "what ... we... are..." We start to question if we're, "humans... animals," or if we're even "savages."

]]> 2018-03-05 20:44:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238349923 Travis Davies travisd2436 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238350267 The passage we got demonstrates pathos. This is because piggy is giving a choice to the boys, continue having fun or take getting rescued seriously. The are two feeling that are being displayed here, the feeling of fun that Jack offers of "hunting and breaking things up" or the feeling of safety that Ralph offers with "law and rescue". This can be read into even deeper and thought about in terms of our essential question, does man make society or does society make the man. The "law and rescue" represent man making society because they would go against their created society of "hunting and breaking things up". The "hunting and breaking things up" is society making the man because they have established their society around hunting.]]> 2018-03-05 20:45:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238350267 sophia bautista https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238351518 society makes man. The boys live a life where they have no structure , morals or any type of laws. They have no laws for them to follow and they live a life by whatever rules they like and the rules that their "leader" gives no one follows and this would relate to piggys question when he asks "which is better - to have rules and agree, or hunt and kill?" Basically if they had rules theyd have morals and mindset thats different towards their actions .]]> 2018-03-05 20:48:22 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238351518 D'Anthony Franco d_anthonyf2307 https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238351914 Society makes man. The reason for this is because Piggy's fustration towards the boys made him ask" What are we? Humans? Or animals? or savages" which implies that the boys are acting out of order because they are not under the pressure of a modern societies rules which states that it is society making man.]]> 2018-03-05 20:49:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/238351914 Sudeep Paudel https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/239809818 Society makes man. "We've got to have rules and obey them after all, we're not savages " You need rules so all the men would be under control. It makes people realize that without rules people would be running around like savages and not under control.]]> 2018-03-08 17:54:33 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/239809818 sabrina https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/360982329 2019-05-16 20:51:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mlubin/oryyjgpiq031/wish/360982329