I'll Give You the Sun #2 by Sarah Kammerdener https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0 Book Club Participants: Stefani, Jacky, Lauren, Tatiana, Leyna, Shweta, Chris, Diane en-us 2020-11-09 15:39:41 UTC 2021-01-25 14:13:21 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f4d6.png Wonders and Musings laluida23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/936760554 I wonder if Jude felt somewhat responsible for her mom's death. I think perhaps she does put blame on herself for her actions the day of her mom’s death. Jude’s counselor had told her that “guilt is a prison” (53) and if Jude didn’t actually believe this, she wouldn’t have shut herself out at school or limit her conversations to her “grandma’s and Mom’s ghosts” (52). I also believe the bad things happening in her life were a result of guilty conscience due to her mom’s death. Jude had an immense amount of guilt that made her believe her mom, from the dead, was trying to get revenge on her; “I think Noah deserves my spot. Isn’t that what Mom’s ghost is telling me by breaking everything I make?” (33). Jude highlights the fact that she feels undeserving of her accomplishments because of what she thinks her mom feels. If Jude had not felt responsible in some way, she wouldn’t analyze such small incidents in her life.


]]> 2020-11-18 14:19:31 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/936760554 By using words with neutral connotations, it signals to the reader that Noah and Jude do not have a great relationship with each other anymore. Noah sometimes goes through an experience he described as catching Jude’s “shadow creeping around [his] bed at night trying to pull the dreams out of [his] head”(57). A phrase such as pulling the dreams out of my head, clearly indicate Jude does not have a good relationship with Noah if she does not want Noah to accomplish his goals and succeed. Also, Jude and her mother did not have a great relationship with each other either. Jude's mother complained about Jude “slamming doors, texting boys not from school, surfing with older suftards”(72). Their mother seemed to be very strict about what Jude can or cannot do but on the other spectrum, she was just trying to keep Jude safe. Nonetheless, the argument shifted their relationship. jacao231_2 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/938985469 2020-11-18 21:36:22 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/938985469 Observations and Inferences dikimda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939032668 I noticed that the man Jude met in the church resembles a lot like the naked model Noah met outside of CSA. Both men are English with two different colored eyes. The man Jude met had “a scar zigzagging across his left cheek and one running down the base of his nose into his lip”(41) which he could’ve easily gotten somewhere during the three year gap between Jude’s and Noah’s stories. Also, it would also make sense that when Jude met the man, he’s changed a lot, with his looks and attitude, from when Noah met him. When Noah met him, he said he was “a bloody mess” (65), so it would make sense that overtime, he’d ‘reinvent’ himself. 


From this observation, I can infer or conclude…

From this observation, I can conclude that the men Jude and Noah met at different parts of their lives are the same man.


]]> 2020-11-18 21:52:51 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939032668 stmurcsr23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939058215 2020-11-18 22:02:54 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939058215 Observations and Inferences lethomda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939286977 Page: 54
I noticed that although Jude and Noah seem to “repel from each other” (54) and their “twin-telepathy was long gone” (54)  
Jude still felt protective over her brother. She was very lost after her mothers death and did not want to loose her relationship with her brother. After hearing where Noah was heading she came out of her way to make sure he was safe. Jude was very cautious when Noah was cliff jumping into the water. She was watching his every move while diving and was preparing herself if he needed any help. After each second she asked herself “is he struggling?”(54) showing her concern for her brother. From this observation I can conclude that Jude wants to mend her relationship with her brother. She was worried that she had already almost lost him once at this same place and could not risk almost loosing him again

]]> 2020-11-18 23:50:42 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939286977 Page 22 OBSERVATIONS & INFERENCES taspircs23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939438912 I noticed that Noah was the mother’s favorite, his unique style of art and natural skill at such a young age stunning her. While Jude and Noah were at a cafe with their mother where they were having a contest where the mom was the judge, the mother favored Noah’s drawings. Although she didn’t say it directly to them she ended the contest by saying “Contests are silly. Let’s spend our Saturdays for the next year appreciating art and learning craft,” (22 Nelson) before opening Judes book. I can infer that the reason why Judes mother broke her art piece was due to anger that Noah didn’t make it into CSA and Jude did. Although Jude’s her child, she showed favoritism towards Noah. ]]> 2020-11-19 01:09:00 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939438912 WONDERS & MUSINGS shsethda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939577289 I wonder if the guy that Jude met in the church will help her through her hard time. Maybe this guy will help her make art again, or help her with her mother's ghost, or help her repair the old bond between Noah and Jude, or help her try new things. I think that this guy will do all of those things, she already started doing something new and different when she allowed him to take a picture of her.  he started complimenting her saying "Yes, thank you, this is bloody it, perfect, yes, yes, sodding hell, God look at you" (44 Nelson). I think that this guy will help her change her perspective on everything. For example she loved her grandma and looked up to her,  in her grandmas bible it said that "Every picture taken of you reduces your spirit and shortens your life" (42 Nelson). But she still allowed him to take the photo, she is already changing.]]> 2020-11-19 02:21:56 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/939577289 think perhaps Noah and Jude distance themselves as much as possible from the thought of their mother. They think their mother is spiteful, oblivious, and moves with the wind. However, what they need is solid answers, and in the verses of their grandmother, and the scriptures from their mom, they know that they will never be satisfied chtsumda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/941801477 2020-11-19 15:29:06 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/941801477 Writing Technique dikimda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/975485895 The writer uses symbolism in order to convey relationships. When Noah drew the English man with heterochromia, Jude fell in love with it and begged Noah to give it to her. Noah and Jude play this game which they divide the world and they get to own certain things. Jude owned the sun, the stars, the oceans, the flowers, and the trees. In exchange for his drawing, Noah demands for the sun, the stars, the oceans, and the trees, which he knows Jude would never agree to. But to his surprise, she does and she now owns the drawing. At this time, their relationship is at their peak, right before their crash and burn. Him giving Jude and drawing in exchange for almost the whole world symbolizes how in sync they were with each other and how they still had that special twin bond. But, later on in the book, when Jude does some questionable things, Noah goes into her room, rips the drawing that meant so much to her, and spreads the remains across her floor. This event mirrors their relationship, or more like the beginning of the end of their relationship. He destroyed the last ‘bond’ they had and now their relationship has changed forever.


]]> 2020-12-01 13:43:11 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/975485895 laluida23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/975663269 2020-12-01 14:21:44 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/975663269 shsethda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977261410 Noah and Jude's relationship is not completely broken, they still talk to each other but their conversations are very vague. Their relationship is crumbling and the author shows this when Noah goes into Jude's room and rips up the drawing of the naked guy and spreads the pieces all over her room. This is the moment where everything fell apart. The author shows the piece of ripped up paper as their twin bond. They both have changed a lot and it started before their mother died. Jude was popular and the most likable at the time and started to wear makeup and go to parties. But then she started to become very reserved and quiet. Noah started off as very reserved and just liked to draw but then he changed into someone who likes parties and girls. It's like they switched personalities.]]> 2020-12-01 19:21:26 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977261410 lethomda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977651397 In this book Jude and Noah' s relationship is slowly falling apart. We see through their short conversations throughout the text that they do not feel the same about certain things anymore. When Jude was talking about all of her new interests Noah says that she has become “totally freaking mental,” and how all of it was “embarrassing,” (Nelson,146). From Jude's defense she was just trying to look out for Noah, but he couldn’t see that. Jude says that there relationship that once felt inseparable and strong now felt “like [Noah] replaced [her]” (Nelson,147). We see that they both are fully aware of the changes that were taking place in there lives and relationship, but didn’t know how to deal with all the problems and frustrations that come there way.  ]]> 2020-12-01 20:56:20 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977651397 when Noah comes home from the party, he rips apart the picture of the naked english guy and spreads it like confetti all over the floor, and rips up all the pictures of Brian. He then plans on throwing it all over Devils Drop. From this observation, I can conclude that the relationship of Noah and Jude, and Brian and Noah, have shifted negatively. For Noah, to rip up all the pictures of Brian is very unexpected as he has formed a great relationship with him jacao231_2 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977745891 2020-12-01 21:26:37 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977745891 stmurcsr23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977826837 I wonder why Jude and her mother had many fights right before her mother passed away. Noah states that they argue a lot about “breaking curfew , talking back, slamming doors, texting boys not from school, surfing with the older surftards.” These all seem like normal things that  teenage girls would argue with their mother about. But the way that Noah and Jude describe these fights make it seem much more extreme.I think perhaps Jude felt like a disappointment since her brother was doing so well in studying art for CSA. In addition, I believe that Jude also felt left out by her mother and Noah. Noah even admitted that “Truth is: I think Mom and I had gotten used to not noticing her when the three of us were together.”  I think that this may be the real reason why Jude and her mother fought all the time. Little did she know this would make it even more difficult to cope with her moms death in the future.


]]> 2020-12-01 21:54:51 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/977826837 Noah is inherently caring about himself and understands the focus on himself is important, and implies that when he draws based on something other than his mind, he draws people and those around him. This leads away from the trope of artists being insanely observant, but does not stray away from the detail oriented artist chtsumda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/979514824 2020-12-02 13:03:36 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/979514824 Questions laluida23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009655612 1) Do you believe Jude is really making a stone sculpture to impress her dead mom, or is there an alternative motive she has that even she doesn't realize (ex. proving to herself she actually deserves her spot at CSA)?]]> 2020-12-11 13:44:56 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009655612 Questions laluida23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009669493 2) What does this book suggest about those grieving the loss of someone they never had closure with?]]> 2020-12-11 13:49:04 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009669493 lethomda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009800252 1) why is charcoal The hardest skill For Jude to learn? ]]> 2020-12-11 14:23:49 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009800252 lethomda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009803481 2) How does Judes past relationships affect the way she handles situations in the future?]]> 2020-12-11 14:24:40 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1009803481 shsethda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1010952173 1) What does the ghost of Jude's grandma and mother symbolize?]]> 2020-12-11 18:47:02 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1010952173 shsethda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1010956129 2) Do all of these obstacles lead to a better life for them in the future?]]> 2020-12-11 18:47:52 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1010956129 dikimda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011616265 Why do you think Jude wants to sculpt her mom in a more realistic style different than her usual one?]]> 2020-12-11 22:53:31 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011616265 dikimda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011617403 What does the story say about maturity and facing your hardships?]]> 2020-12-11 22:54:25 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011617403 Why so you think Noah faked a phone call while Jude was talking to him about the sculpture jacao231_2 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011783416 2020-12-12 01:42:04 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011783416 What do you think the portrait of their mother symbolizes jacao231_2 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011784874 2020-12-12 01:44:03 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011784874 stmurcsr23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011801539 Noah and Jude both change in different ways after the loss of their mother, what does this say about coping and grief?

Before Jude's mom passed away they were fighting constantly and now Jude has regret. What does this say about relationships and life?]]> 2020-12-12 02:05:58 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1011801539 What is Jude to Noah before and after their Mothers death? chtsumda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1023742717
What does Noah and Brian's relationship affect those around him and what does it say about our society?

]]> 2020-12-16 13:02:02 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1023742717 laluida23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036024526 What role does Oscar play in both Noah and Jude’s personality and actions? ]]> 2020-12-21 14:21:26 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036024526 laluida23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036026352 Why do you think the author added the detail of the parrot screeching “where’s Ralph” throughout the book? ]]> 2020-12-21 14:22:14 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036026352 stmurcsr23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036279382 Who do you think showed the most change throughout the story and what do you think this shows about the grieving process?]]> 2020-12-21 16:09:19 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036279382 stmurcsr23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036280894 What do you think the author was trying to show the world when writing this book?]]> 2020-12-21 16:10:03 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036280894 What was the importance of the parrot to the story as a whole? dikimda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036924359 2020-12-21 23:22:41 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036924359 What was the author trying to say about looking back on your mistakes and righting your past wrongs? dikimda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036925905 2020-12-21 23:24:48 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036925905 What was the significance of the events that happened at the Devils Drop? lethomda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036948081 2020-12-21 23:52:42 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036948081 What was the author trying to say about secrecy and lying? lethomda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036948908 2020-12-21 23:53:32 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036948908 1) Why do you think Noah told his dad he was gay jacao231_2 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036975150 2020-12-22 00:17:04 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036975150 2)What do you think the writer is trying to say about death and how it can affect peoples relationships with each other jacao231_2 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036979771 2020-12-22 00:20:27 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1036979771 why was the parrot that screamed "where is Ralph" added to the book? shsethda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037181605 2020-12-22 02:23:20 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037181605 Do people always deserve a second chance? shsethda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037184411 2020-12-22 02:25:08 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037184411 Are people determined by their past? chtsumda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037945096 2020-12-22 13:12:59 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037945096 chtsumda23 https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037946276 What does it take to remake the world?]]> 2020-12-22 13:13:43 UTC https://padlet.com/skammerdener/o79uoad92k4x2al0/wish/1037946276