https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors Add a text-based wondering-why question about the nature of Santiago's heroism here. (Text-based questions include text.) Remember to include your name. Then, respond to a classmate's question with an embedded text citation. en-us 2017-12-06 19:30:35 UTC 2019-12-09 16:54:41 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405367077 The definition of a hero is someone who is motivated by beliefs to persevere to succeed, conquering challenges for the greater good of society. The adventure of someone who becomes a hero is called a hero's journey. This type of structure is famous in many books and novels and especially in Hemingway's novel The Old Man and the Sea. However, in this novel I am confused on the criteria of Santiago’s journey to becoming a hero. This criteria is the chapter of refusing the call to adventure. The call to adventure was Santiago wanting to catch a fish because he has not in 84 days. Also, 85 was Santiago's lucky number so he especially wanted to catch a fish that day. Ernest Hemingway on page 14 writes the boy saying, “But are you strong enough now for a truly big fish?” This is clearly showing that the boy is doubting Santiago’s chances of being able to catch a fish. This raises my question of does the refusal to the call in this novel or in any hero’s journey novel have to be from the protagonist or can it be from someone else like the boy in Ernest Hemingway’s The Old Man and the Sea.]]> 2019-11-01 11:52:55 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405367077 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368018 The definition of a hero is someone driven by beliefs to persevere and find success by conquering challenges for the greater good.  The hero's journey is when someone goes on an adventure, experiences conflict, and changes or transforms based on the lessons they learned on their journey. This archetype is shown in Earnest Hemingway's novel The Old Man and the Sea. In the resolution of the novel, Santiago did meet the criteria of being a hero. In the passage it says "He was eighteen feet from nose to tail...what a fish it was...there has never been such a fish" (Hemingway 123). Although he wasn't able to bring the marlin back as a whole, he still gained the respect from the fishermen who once mocked him and gained redemption and his own self gratification. Could Santiago still have been considered successful if he had brought home a smaller fish or did he only feel as if he gained redemption because his fish was bigger than any other fishermen's fish? (Redo)]]> 2019-11-01 11:56:26 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368018 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368209 According to the class, the definition of hero is someone who perseveres to succeed, conquering challenges for the greater good of loved ones. The old man has to live up to his title of hero with no one to help him when on his adventure. The old man frequently refers to how much he misses the boy, and how he could use his help. The old man says that "the boy keeps him alive" (Hemingway 39)  How does an adventure go differently with someone to help along the way?]]> 2019-11-01 11:57:09 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368209 sobeki https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368219 Heroes are people who are motivated by their beliefs and do what they do for the greater good of others. When Santiago sees the fish he thinks ,"You did not kill the fish only to keep him alive and to sell for food" (Hemingway 105). The Man kept going with the fish even though it could kill him. How does this show that he is motivated by his beliefs or is interested in serving others?]]> 2019-11-01 11:57:11 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368219 lougheedp https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368296 A hero is someone who is motivated by their beliefs to succeed, conquering challenges for the greater good of their loved ones. Santiago can be described by this definition. However is his driving force really that important or heroic? A hero is someone who overcomes something for the greater good of others. Santiago is simply driven by something that he wants to achieve because he feels ashamed for not catching a fish. "He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty-four days now without taking a fish." I feel that Santiago isn't truly heroic as his goal and purpose for embarking on his journey is not for the greater good of others and more because he is a salao and wants to regain his pride and luck.]]> 2019-11-01 11:57:29 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368296 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368601 A hero is someone who is motivated by their beliefs to succeed, conquering challenges for the greater good of their loved ones. In the book, "The Old Man and the Sea" Santiago displayed these traits many times during his journey. Santiago completed his hero's journey and came out as a better and wiser person in the end. Throughout his journey, Santiago relied on a boy from his town who used to go fishing with him. The boy acted almost as Santiago's best friend. In context of the Hero’s Journey, the boy clearly acted as Santiago's mentor. The boy gave Santiago hope of catching big fish, and cared for him along the way. While Santiago was doubting his own ability to catch fish, the boy comforted him by saying, ““But remember how you went eighty-seven days without fish and then we caught big ones every day for three weeks.” (page 1). However at the same time, the boy was doing everything for Santiago. The boy would buy Santiago food and drinks, carry his fishing equipment, put blankets over him as he slept, and more. Although these can be looked at as caring favors, the boy is doing everything for Santiago. Santiago needed to catch a fish not only for himself and his own pride, but he needed money. With the boy paying for him and doing everything for him, Santiago did not necessarily need to catch a huge fish. For example, on page 7 the boy brought Santiago food from a man who donated it to Santiago and Santiago stated to the boy, “I must thank him,” to which the boy replied,  “I thanked him already.” Did the fact that the boy had done everything for Santiago give Santiago confidence in himself, but also discouraged himself by making him think that his efforts were not actually needed now? My question is could be boy be both Santiago’s mentor and also contribute to the refusal to the call in Santiago’s journey?

]]> 2019-11-01 11:58:32 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368601 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368631 In our class definition, a hero is someone who conquers challenges for the greater good   of others. In Ernest Hemingway's, "The Old Man and the Sea," Santiago excerpts these traits. The main source of all of Santiago's challenges is the large fish he hooked. After being unable to fully catch the fish he decides to kill it. After he arrives back to his village all of the villagers that believed he was incredibly unlucky were very impressed when they saw the fish.  The proprietor tells the boy that  “There has never been such a fish.” (Hemingway 122)  What do the villagers find so impressive about the fish with no meat? ]]> 2019-11-01 11:58:38 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405368631 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405762948 In our definition of a hero it states how a hero is someone that conquers challenges for the greater good of their loved ones. Santiago in the story, “The Old Man and the Sea” by Ernest Hemmingway excerpts this. In the story Santiago overcomes many challenges that come from the very large fish he hooks. One of the challenges is “the cramped hand that was almost as stiff as rigor mortis.” (Hemingway 59). My question is that if Santiago still endured these challenges but did not catch the fish and instead the fish got away or he had died, would he have still be hero in this context? (Redo)]]> 2019-11-02 16:57:05 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/405762948 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407107031 The class definition of a hero is someone motivated by beliefs to persevere to success, while conquering challenges for the greater good of others. Santiago, although following his beliefs through difficult times and finding success by doing so, did not base a lot of his work for the greater good of others. While pondering about his decision to kill the fish, he thinks in his mind that,“You killed him for pride and because you are a fisherman” (Hemingway 105). While catching the fish through the pain and having to wait days to reel it in showed Santiago’s bravery and determination, the quote suggests that his actions were not for the greater good of others, but rather for personal pride, and that he is more of a role model than a true hero. This brings up an important question: can Santiago still be a hero even though his actions are mainly for the benefit of himself rather than others, or are there more accurate terms that should be used to describe his qualities he put on display during his adventure (i.e. role model.)

]]> 2019-11-05 20:11:31 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407107031 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407381490 A hero is someone striving for success for to greater good of others motivated by their beliefs. In the story The Old Man and the Sea it states on page 119,”He knew he had been beaten now finally and without remedy...” Since he said he was beaten and did not succeed, does that not make him a hero or did the journey make him a hero?]]> 2019-11-06 11:59:03 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407381490 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407394667 A hero is someone who has motivation, hope, and beliefs to help them persevere through life threatening challenges in order to protect and benefit the people and things that they love most. Santiago's journey consisted of him persevering and conquering challenges but in the end the reward and goal that he was trying to achieve was just going to benefit him. In the story many challenges got in the way of Santiago's success such as when he "noticed his hand was bleeding" from the line cutting into his hand and when the sharks "came in a pack." These are examples of him overcoming challenges so that he could achieve his goal but in the end his goal was just to catch the big fish so that he could prove society wrong that he was a good fisherman. Was Santiago really a true hero, as his intentions were not to benefit the society but rather himself, or was his journey the only thing that allowed him to be considered a hero? ]]> 2019-11-06 12:43:43 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407394667 https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407394705 A hero is a person who is motivated by beliefs to persevere to succeed, conquering challenges for the greater good of others. In the text, after Santiago has most of his fish eaten by the shark, the text states, "'Nothing,' he said aloud. 'I went out too far.'" What about Santiago allows him to reach atonement this quickly after losing most of his fish? Is this really how Santiago feels?]]> 2019-11-06 12:43:51 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/407394705 wortmana https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/411757634 A hero is someone striving for success for the greater good of others motivated by their beliefs. In the story The Old Man and the Sea his fish had been eaten by the sharks as he was bringing it back to shore, leaving nothing but the bones of the fish. ”He knew he had been beaten now finally and without remedy...” Hemming Way page 119. He was beaten with the fish he had been trying to reel in for days had been all but the bones lost to the sharks. There was nothing he could do since the fish was already eaten so he did not have a remedy for his loss. Since he said he was beaten and did not succeed, does that not make him a hero or did the journey make him a hero?]]> 2019-11-15 13:34:19 UTC https://padlet.com/imsandycarlson/TheOldManandtheSeaHonors/wish/411757634