https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah Post one note in each column. Reply to two of your peers' posts. 2 primary posts due 3/7, 2 replies due by 3/9. In each column, discuss your observations, thoughts, and/or other notes about the topic (women or class). Try not to repeat what others have already said. Your posts should be original, insightful, and in your own words. You should reference specific details and examples from the play in your response. INCLUDE YOUR NAME AT THE END OF YOUR POST PLEASE :) en-us 2022-03-07 17:39:18 UTC 2022-04-04 23:21:17 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f3ad.png https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082267903 Through the character of Eliza Doolittle the viewer gets to see both sides of women in this time period. Before she undergoes her transformation she is considered to be not fit for higher society because of her speech and behaviors. Later on in the film once she finishes working with the professor she becomes more palatable to society and even grabs the attention of the professor himself. - Maurice Allen]]> 2022-03-07 18:17:10 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082267903 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082268964 In the Movie Pygmalion the different levels of the classes are shown as very ridged. There is no in between, just poor, middle class, and upper class. Eliza is a perfect example for this. She starts off in the lower class and wants to become upper class, but once she is in the experiment she eventually rises above middle class and is unable to work for herself because of her class. ]]> 2022-03-07 18:17:42 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082268964 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082275903 In Pygmalion, the portrayal of women, specifically Eliza, came down to the way she is taught to be the "perfect woman". While she started off selling flowers, essentially being an independent woman, her freedom was slowly taken away by Professor Higgins' desire to transform her into a lady. For Victorian times, she had to dress, talk, and act a certain in order to be considered proper, yet by doing that she loses her independent spirit. At the end of the film, she finally regains her freedom as she breaks free from the professor, making herself to be more than his science experiment. ]]> 2022-03-07 18:21:21 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082275903 mjarrell1 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082277691 The portrayal of women throughout this film just goes to show that uneducated or poorly educated women in this era didn't get very far due to society's view of them. This actually in some way reflects today's society as well because not very many people will look at someone uneducated and give them as much respect as someone who is. ]]> 2022-03-07 18:22:20 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082277691 dmachuca4 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082278618 I think women are portrayed in Pygmalion as we've read or seen in our past homeworks, as stereotypical women who are interested in becoming "more". Both sides of Eliza are shown when she shows her desire to enter the higher class, while she's educating herself and improving her mannerisms just to fit in. But the life she left behind, the flower girl, the lower class she so much despised is also shown. After she improves her way of acting, more so changed to become a stereotypical woman of the higher class, she gets more validated and noticed. The difference I noticed between this film and the others is that in the end, she breaks free from those ladylike stereotypes.]]> 2022-03-07 18:22:47 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082278618 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082280813 Pygmalion gives insight into how women were treated in this time frame, Mr. Higgins did not have very many good things to say about women in his day to day life and he says that he keeps himself out of relationships. This is until he teaches Eliza how to fit into higher class society and he eventually falls in love with her. Men didn't want women to be as educated and be on the same intellectual level as them for their own selfish hierarchy. - Jason Wolf]]> 2022-03-07 18:23:58 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082280813 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082282803 All of the women who have more posh accents are portrayed as better or morally higher than Eliza or Mrs. Pearce. The women are only valued by how they can present themselves to other people or the service they provide to men. -Chandler Rosenzweig]]> 2022-03-07 18:24:57 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082282803 mashley31 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082283968 In the movie the age of a woman is a large factor in how society views her. in all of the younger women are seen as unintelligent no matter what her class is. The opposite of this is seen when it comes to older women such as Higgins' Mother. She is revered and appreciated for her intelligence and experience. ]]> 2022-03-07 18:25:32 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082283968 mjarrell1 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082286991 Social classes in this era were very split. Someone could be either on the streets or in a mansion. This is also shown through the education in women especially - wealthier women were given education and taught to speak with correct grammar; but since Eliza was not of a wealthy decent, she was never really taught how to act or speak (even though it was expected of her to just know.. because she's a woman ya know)]]> 2022-03-07 18:27:08 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082286991 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082287550 At the beginning when Eliza is of the lower class, she has no respect from anyone until she is taught how to speak, act and dress in the likes of high society, she gains respect and her independence holding the upper hand over Mr. Higgins in the end being the deciding voice for herself rather than anyone else for her. - Jason Wolf]]> 2022-03-07 18:27:25 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082287550 dmachuca4 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082289360 In Pygmalion the portrayal of social/economic classes was shown in a very raw way I would say, it fit the standard of how it really was at the time. I could really see the difference between the higher and lower class. I also noticed how the desire of lower class women to fit in the higher class was shown, Eliza is a stereotypical woman who wants a better life and a better status. ]]> 2022-03-07 18:28:11 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082289360 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082293459 In Pygmalion, the portrayal of different social classes is clearly seen through language and location. It was particularly interesting to see in the first scene how all classes were placed together in the same spot, giving the audience a clear theme of class distinction in the film. Through Eliza's character, it's seen that her accent determined the way others saw her, and consequently it determined her fate in society. The film also pokes a slight critique at capitalist society through the theme of "middle class morality". It's explained that while living poor comes with no opportunities, one may live without any responsibilities. However, once people become a part of the middle class, money requires more duties, and therefore less personal freedom as Mr. Doolittle explained. ]]> 2022-03-07 18:30:20 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082293459 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082340145 The lower class is ported as ill-mannered and drunk. They speak improperly and come off as aggressive and rude. The upper class are more dainty and educated. Accents seem to be a shortcut to social mobility rather than a byproduct of environment.]]> 2022-03-07 18:54:27 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082340145 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082450095 There was a diverse example of class in this film. The lower class was poor spoken and you can also see by the clothes that they are wearing. Members of the upper class lack accents and are very well spoken and are shown in elegant clothes and jewelry. - Maurice Allen]]> 2022-03-07 19:55:04 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082450095 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082779892 I feel like the portrayal of women In this film showed how little men valued women at that time one moment in the film in particular is when the dad was trying to sell his daughter to the governor for $5 to buy liquor. If that doesn’t show how invaluable women were at that time I don’t know what does]]> 2022-03-08 00:32:46 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082779892 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082786815 I feel like with the way the social pyramid was set up at the time you had 3 “tiers” of people. The low class who just sat around and got drunk  and we’re uneducated. The middle class that was the “normal” and was considered boring. And the rich who were rude and felt like they owned the world. But like I previously stated in my other comment if you were a women in one of these social classes that’s was how you were view and treated. ]]> 2022-03-08 00:36:25 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2082786815 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2084968340 Similarly to "The Importance of Being Earnest", "Pygmalion" portrays social class and standing as one of, if not the most important thing in life. Nevertheless, this time it's done through the perspective of language, and there is an honestly very interesting exploration of how social classes developed their own slang, and tone of speaking ]]> 2022-03-08 23:03:03 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2084968340 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2084973083 I think that women in "Pygmalion" are overall rendered as inferior to men, even regardless of their social standing. They are treated horribly throughout the film (most notably Eliza Doolittle), and receive little to. no credit. ]]> 2022-03-08 23:09:06 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2084973083 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086393225 The portrayal of women in Pygmalion is seen all through the male gaze. There is the constant idea of the perfect women who speaks perfectly and dresses perfectly. This specifically effects Eliza as she wants to be the perfect woman in order to work at the flower shop. She no longer has independence when she is "sold" away to the Professor. - Kylie Young]]> 2022-03-09 16:05:17 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086393225 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086398058 Social class is also huge in Pygmalion. The lower class had different accents and dressed differently so there was a big difference in class. The way Eliza looked and spoke set on how others saw her. Just because of her class and being a woman, she was not allowed to work. - Kylie Young]]> 2022-03-09 16:07:39 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086398058 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086618296 The portrayal of Women in Pygmalion is shown as if Women have to be expected to be and act a certain way, completely disregarding their upbringings and who they are as a person. And instead they must act certain ways, specifically Eliza with being pulled aside to be taught manners and speech.- Jake]]> 2022-03-09 17:54:13 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086618296 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086624529 It seemed like there was a big divide within the social classes, with the Lower class, Middle class, and Higher class being shown very clearly and how they are all different, with how people dress and spoke. Like how people judged Eliza based on how she spoke because of her upbringing. -Jake]]> 2022-03-09 17:57:34 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2086624529 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2089616463 In the movie, a recurring theme within the treatment of women is to see them as creatures separate from men in intellect and mannerism, both in social instances and in the manner in which they are able to learn and be spoken to . Eliza is often threatened with the notion of being thrown back out onto the streets if she does not steel her nerves and endure the treatment that she is being put through in order to learn proper pronunciation and etiquette, just like the houses attending servant is always on the receiving end of the male figures swearing, tempter outbursts, and inability to take accountability for forgetting appointments and the like. Additionally, in taking on the task of teaching Eliza how to behave like a lady, it is less about benefitting her life and making a path for a better social class and more about the Colonel being proven wrong, for the self satisfaction of the man in charge of teaching her these things. She is never asked about how she feels, she is even forced to put marbles in her mouth to learn pronunciation, she is never able to voice her frustrations with the way in which she is treated during these lessons, because it is all seen as an affront to the efforts being made to educate her. Everything is done TO her and not FOR her. There are strict rules she must follow when interacting with others in the higher social classes, and when she takes the liberty to speak about whatever she wants and not the specific lines she was given to rehearse, she is signaled to end the conversation out of fear of the ruse being discovered. -Andres Moreno ]]> 2022-03-11 02:39:05 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2089616463 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2089632183 Within the time period, it is apparent that the manner in which class is stratified is based on two key aspects: social appearance and material wealth. Those are the two things that mainly concern the man educating Eliza, as her manner of speech is the thing which is most vehemently sought to be corrected, and of course her clothes are literally burned the moment she arrives at the estate in order for her to adopt clothing that is more reflective of the woman she needs to be to fit in with society. Moreover, the manner of dress that Eliza exhibits during the ball or social gathering is the key factor in distinguishing her from her old counterpart, as during this time she speaks as little as possible and every single conjecture about her is made at a distance in her absence. In the beginning of the film, as she is simply trying to sell flowers to make a living, she is reprimanded for speaking to a “gentleman” , which I can only imagine means that she spoke to someone who is of a higher social class than her and for that reason she is out of line, and under justification to be reported to authorities. Her reaction of fear and panic is indicative of the fact that this consequence has been witnessed by her before, as society most likely makes an example out of people who speak out of their social class as the separation of these is what allowed the 1% to maintain its monopoly of wealth for so long. Finally, social class is directly tied to the opportunities one is able to take advantage of in the film, as when her manner of speech is changed and her manner of dress is altered, men of this echelon become interested in her, she is given the knowledge to perhaps pursue a teaching career imparting the knowledge she gained to others , and she is made aware of the fact that she does not have to be scared of the man that opened this door for her simply because he speaks loudly and threatens her. -Andres Moreno ]]> 2022-03-11 02:47:48 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2089632183 aespinoza213 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2129593916 I believe that this story is filled with undertones of sexism. Throughout the entire film, Eliza is constantly dismissed by Higgins, and his language and behavior towards her is entirely off-putting. He calls her "girl" a lot, and at the beginning puts his hands on her a few times. They portray Eliza as the lowest of the low, because she is a woman. She is entirely discredited towards the end of the film, because the men again think they were the only ones who made this experiment work because they taught her how to speak. They did not recognize her efforts and all the time she put into using the knowledge she was being taught. ]]> 2022-04-04 23:18:23 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2129593916 aespinoza213 https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2129596315 Class was a very prominent aspect of the story. We only really see the two extremes of low and high class society, and it is especially prominent at the end when Eliza is pretty much lost because she now behaves and speaks like the upper class but does not have the money, family, or anything else the upper class has. ]]> 2022-04-04 23:21:17 UTC https://padlet.com/wrockne2/nh7bwezhy6vvmaah/wish/2129596315