Savagery in chapter 4 by Ms Diprose https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj Use the attached ppt to guide your discussions en-us 2018-10-12 07:39:57 UTC 2026-02-10 07:13:26 UTC hello@padlet.com adiprose https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292052496 2018-10-12 07:41:57 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292052496 P: Roger treats Henry as Henry treats the animals. Roger wants to go further, to actually hurt Henry, but civilisation holds him back. https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292059251 E:This is evident in the quotation “Rogers arm was conditioned by a civilisation that knew nothing of him and was in ruins.” 
E1: The concept is to show that even though they are losing the social identity their is still a little bit of civilisation. 
E2: The moral message supports John Locke theory that says people aren’t born good or evil but there situation shapes who they are and be how they act. 
E3: The writers use of personification helps give an effect because it says to the reader that there is literally something or someone else controlling his arm not to hurt Henry
E4: The writers intent is to show that having civilisation and bourndries makes people human and helps to keep people safe from other. 
L: The contemporary reader would think that the threat of nuclear war is being stopped by civilisation and human morals. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:08:03 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292059251 15ahoskins https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064419 P:  Roger treats Henry as Henry treats the animals. Roger wants to go further, to actually hurt Henry, but civilisation holds him back.
E:  ‘Roger’s arm was conditioned by a civilisation that knew nothing of him and he was in ruins. 
E:  (1) The concept of the quotation is to show how Roger has not yet turned to savagery because the restraints of civilisation are holding him back. (2) The theme of the extract is that even if you really want to do something bad, the restraints of civilisation inside you will hold you back. (3) The verb conditioned has connotations of restrain and control showing that civilisation has control over Roger at the moment and can influence him to not to bad. (4) The writers intent is to show how the boys have not yet turned to savagery however the process has already begun and there’s no turning back once they loose their morals. It also shows John locke’s theory.
L: The effect of this on the reader is that it shows them how all the boys are turning to savagery in their own time however they are all going to become savage. This makes the reader feel anxious about the boys because they don’t want this to happen. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:31:12 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064419 P: Jack's mask shields him from civilisation's hold, stripping him of his civilised identity, making him anonymous and free from shame. 15jgoodluck https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064434
E: “He looked in astonishment, no longer at himself but at an awesome stranger. He spilt the water and leapt to his feet, laughing excitedly. Beside the mere, his sinewy body held up a mask that drew their eyes and appalled them. He began to dance and his laughter became a bloodthirsty snarling.”

E (1): The concept of this quotation is to show that Jack’s path to savagery has reached a prominent point, when even he can barely recognise himself.

E (2): The theme of this extract is that things on the island are going to quickly turn to savagery though Jack’s character.

E (3):The style is shown through the use of dramatic verbs and]]> 2018-10-12 08:31:16 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064434 Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a group. “Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for the same reason: it's human nature. 15hkefford https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064447 2018-10-12 08:31:19 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064447 Jack's mask shields him from civilisation's hold, stripping him of his civilised identity, making him anonymous and free from shame. 15ostevens https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064468 2018-10-12 08:31:24 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064468 15hyoung1 https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064472 P-Jack's mask shields him from civilisation's hold, stripping him of his civilised identity, making him anonymous and free from  shame.]]> 2018-10-12 08:31:25 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064472 https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064504 P:    Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a    group. "Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for    the same reason: it's human nature.]]> 2018-10-12 08:31:33 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064504 15rbelassie https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064630 P: Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a group. "Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for the same reason: it's human nature.
E: ‘Piggy and the parody were so funny that the hunters began to laugh. Jack felt encouraged.’
E: (1-Concept) Everybody on the island want to feel included in a group because otherwise they will become alienisd from the group like Piggy is from the start. Therefore even if it means hurting someone to feel safe the boys will do it.
(2-Theme) The theme is the formation of a new tribe on the island and anyone who thinks or looks differently they are discriminated against and left out. 
(3-Style) The verb ‘encouraged’ shows that when the boys all work together everyone feels like they are part of a group and are stronger than Piggy who is not included. 
(4-Writer’s intent) Golding’s intent is to make the reader understand the differences between Piggy and the boys specifically to Jack, that Jack feels strong in a group but Piggy has no place in it. 
L: A reader of the time in the 1950s would feel more relations with Piggy because throughout the book he is a symbol of civilisation and the readers would have wanted to have more order than Jack’s ‘civilisation’. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:32:02 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064630 P: Savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending the fire. His choice has devastating consequences. 15mmackintosh https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064634 E:    “I was chief and you were going to do what I said. … You can’t even build shelters - then you go off hunting, and you let out the fire - … The job was too much. We needed everyone. … You could’ve had everyone when the shelters were finished. But you had to hunt” 
E: Ralph is angry that the “hunters” can’t see the big picture. All they talk about is killing and blood, whereas him, Piggy and Simon can, when they saw a ship they dropped everything to go and get smoke billowing from the fire to attract a ship. Jack and the other boys have become entranced by the island and only want to have one basic purpose, to kill. This gets too much for Ralph and he decides to call a meeting, and he says it in a tone that no one dares to argue with, and stop to listen.  Concept: Ralph repeatedly has to make deals with savagery which is represented as Jack and his mask, and he soon tires of having to draw Jack back from becoming savage.  Theme: Civilisation is constantly at war with savagery, which links in to the time at which the novel was written: the time of the Cold War.  Style: The writer’s style is to use the exclamation marks and the dashes show the two clashing, and their different feelings. Jack uses exclamation marks as a way to convey the excitement and thrill/power of the kill, he also uses dashes as he sometimes cannot find the words to describe how he’s feeling, whereas Ralph uses dashes to convey his frustration and anger at the fire being let out.  Writer’s intent: The writer’s intent is to show that USA had to make several deals with the Soviet Union, this is shown through Ralph and Jack.]]> 2018-10-12 08:32:03 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064634 P: Jack's mask shields him from civilisation's hold, stripping him of his civilised identity, making him anonymous and free from shame. 15cdixon https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064666 2018-10-12 08:32:11 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064666 15cmercer https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064717  P- Jack's mask shields him from civilisation's hold, stripping him of his civilised identity, making him anonymous and free from  shame.
E- This is shown in the quotation “no longer at himself but at an awesome stranger.
E-
Concept: This shows Jacks desent into savagery
Theme: The theme is that anybody has the potential to be savage it just depends on the enviroment.
Style: This symbolises Jack changing into something savage like a beast.
Writers intent: The writers intent is to show that Jack is losing himself due to his enviroment.
L- The reader would fear Jack as he is becoming savage therefore he is a threat.]]> 2018-10-12 08:32:21 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064717 phoebetith https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064722 P:  Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a group. "Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for the same reason: it's human nature.
E: “I cut the pig’s throat,’ said Jack, proudly’
E: (Concept) Jack wants everyone to how how he “cut the pig’s throat” and how he is the strongest and most powerful in the group after ultimately making the final move to kill the pig. (Theme) The moral message is that without adult control, the boys are turning to violence and savagery as is shown when Jack is proud of his violent ways. (Style) The writer uses foreshadowing to show how Jack is in a downward spiral and will continue to become more violent as his time on the island continues. (Writers intent) It is the writers intent to show that when forced into a challenging environment, the boys are becoming savage and have lost sight of their moral compass. 
L: This would make the contemporary reader feel apprehensive as Jack is portrayed as a threat to life on the island. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:32:22 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064722 https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064784 P: savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending to the fire. His choice has devastation consequences ]]> 2018-10-12 08:32:34 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064784 15zdarvey https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064855 P: Roger treats Henry as Henry treats the animals. Roger wants to go further, to actually hurt Henry, but civilisation holds him back.
E: “Roger’s arm was conditioned by a civilisation that knew nothing of him and was in ruins.”
E: Roger refrains from throwing the stone at Henry; at this moment in the novel he is still controlled by his old, civilised values. This demonstrates that although Roger has a tendency to bully others, he retains a sense of morality. The fact that the remnants of civilisation holds him back coincides with 17th century philosopher John Locke’s theory, which posits that nobody is inherently evil - everybody is born an empty vessel and their characteristics are determined by the environment surrounding them. However, as Roger has a desire to inflict harm on the Henry, Golding, the omniscient narrator, foreshadows  that once Roger regresses into total savagery something much worse will occur.

]]> 2018-10-12 08:32:51 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064855 Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a group. "Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for the same reason: it's human nature. 15mpritchard https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064914 “Piggy and the parody were so funny that the hunters began to laugh.Jack felt encouraged.”
Jack and his group of hunters, laugh ”hysterically” at the idea of piggy being strong, and threatening Jack.Jack feels strong and supported by the hunters, clearly shown when he mimics Piggy’s threat. Earlier on when Piggy is punched by Jack many of the boys refrain from doing anything as they feel empowered by Piggys inferiority as this is Human nature. However Simon is the one who helps him, showing he still has his morals while the other ones may have lost theirs. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:33:01 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292064914 teaganfifer https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065066 P:    Jack's mask shields him from civilisation's    hold, stripping him of his civilised identity,    making him anonymous and free from    shame.]]> 2018-10-12 08:33:40 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065066 15esims https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065101 P:Roger treats Henry as Henry treats the animals. Roger wants to go further, to actually hurt Henry, but civilisation holds him back.
E: this is demonstrated through the quotations, ‘Roger stooped, picked up a stone, aimed, and threw it at Henry- threw to miss’, and ‘Yet there was a space around Henry... into which he dare not throw’. 
E(1): The concept is to imlply how the boys maintain their old values and morals of order and civilisation, despite their environment and longing to turn to violence and savagery. Also how Roger restraints  himself from hurting Henry, shows he still upholds his innocence. On the other hand Henry seems somehow guarded by society and adults from the savage nature that resided within Roger. 
(2): The message Golding is trying to present is the fact that the boys are descending into savagery, however still proving they are pure and harmless at this point. 
(3): The style and use of the quotation, ‘dare not throw’, indicates how Roger still holds onto his morals and innocence society has instilled in them. 
(4): The writers intent is to demomstrate Locke’s theory, and to show their deterioration into savagery. Also to display Roger’s inner urge to satanically harm or even kill, that is evident this early on in the novel.
L: the reader is meant to understand their savage urges and their civilised structure is deteriorating. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:33:51 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065101 15adavies https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065132 P:    Savagery and civilisation clash in the open    for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt    over tending the fire. His choice has    devastating consequences]]> 2018-10-12 08:34:02 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065132 P: savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending the fire. His choice has devastating consequences. 15swhyte https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065134 E: ‘ the fire was right out, smokeless and dead; watchers were gone’
E: the writer is showing that Jack and the other boys that were meant to be watching over the fire have gone and left the fire to go out and that they are hunting instead. This quotation represents the fact that jack’s downfall  to savagery has taken over him and his civilisation. Golding has emphasised that jack has completely forgotten about the fire and turned to hunting by using a list which represent his thought process and therefore his actions. The writer would have wanted the reader to notice Jack not being disciplined and almost uncontrolled in his own action. 
L: the reader at the time of the book being written could have link the to possibly irresponsible leadership shown by the nations leader at the time of the nuclear war.]]> 2018-10-12 08:34:03 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065134 15kwebster https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065166 P: Roger treats Henry as he would treat the animals. Roger wants to go further and actually hurt Henry. However civilisation holds him back.
E: “Roger’s arm was conditioned by a civilisation that knew nothing of him was in ruins.”
E:
(Concept: Roger is dehumanising Henry by associating him with an animal, therefore treating him like one.)
(Theme: This shows the lack of morality and the impact of society is starting to affect the boys on the island.)
(Style: The verb “conditioned” represents that Roger still holds onto the impact that civilisation and adults had on him, before being on the island.)
(Writers Intent: Golding’s intent is to support Lockes theory of how civilisation effects humanity and their morals)
L: This demonstrates to the contemporary reader that the lack of influence of civilisation and morality on the boys is slowly making them loose there ability to think rationally.]]> 2018-10-12 08:34:10 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065166 15rowen https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065179  P: Savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending the fire. His choice has devastating consequences.
E: “ You and your blood, Jack Merridew! You and your hunting! We might have gone home—“
E: The concept here is that civilisation and savagery can never go together, so Ralph ( the symbol of civilisation) and Jack ( the symbol of savagery) will always clash. Piggy, who says this quotation , a voice of reason and intelligence, sides with civilisation against savagery. The use of repetition when Piggy repeats ‘you and your’ while addressing Jack emphasises that Jack has been corrupt by killing , and it seems to be the only thing that matters to him , he has disregarded being rescued and taken back to a life of morals  and civilisation. Golding’s intent was to show that there can only be one leader, and that he agrees with John Locke’s theory ]]> 2018-10-12 08:34:14 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065179 15oclark https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065182  P: Roger treats Henry as Henry treats the animals. Roger wants to go futher, to actually hurt Henry ,civilisation holds him back.
E: Rogers arm was conditioned by a civilisation that knew nothing of him and was in ruins
E: Concept: Savagery
    Theme: The boys are pernicious by nature and have nearly completed the transition into the decent of savagery 
    Style: The symbol of civilisation shows that roger still has morals holding him back and that Conditioned is to influence something and rogers arm is a symbol of malevolence and evil intentions however roger is still determined by society’s morals 
    Writers intent :Goldings intent to to show that they have nearly transformed into savages.
Link: A contemporary reader at the time would relate this to the cold war and how the disintergration of savagery and malovence has taken over there life.  ]]> 2018-10-12 08:34:15 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065182 Point 2 15jhenriksen https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065262 P:Jacks mask shield him from civilisation’s hold stripping him of his civilised identity making him anonymous and free from shame.    
E: “the mask was a thing on its own, behind which jack hid, liberated from shame and self-consciousness.”
E:1)the idea is that jack is now free from the burden that society is placing upon him and that he feels he is free to commit actions without consequences as the mask dehumanises him
2)the theme is that when someone feel they are no longer liable for their actions it diminishes any regret that they may feel and it removes them from the actions which reduces empathy and causes people to act without care for how it may affect others. Jack now feels he is anonymous and that he can now do as he wants.
3)In the quote Golding personifies the mask making it another being on the island and giving it control over the boys
4)writers intent is to show how the boys once they put on a mask they feel they aren’t liable for their actions which releases their inner self and makes them more confident and gives them more power to do savage things that theywouldnt do due to morals and society it is showing the collapse of society and how that is affecting the boys
L: this could link to the threat of nuclear war and how in wars they use warpaint and masks to cover themselves which could link as in a war environment you have to discard morals
]]> 2018-10-12 08:34:32 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065262 15smoore2 https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065433 P: Roger treats Henry as a Henry treats the animals but Roger wants to go further and actually harm Henry, but civilisation holds him back.
E: “Roger’s arm was conditioned by a civilisation that new nothing of him and was in ruins.”
E: Even though the boys are far from home away from the law, their old morals still affect and hang over them. If Roger did harm Henry there would be no consequence as society is far away but he still has a sense of what is right and wrong that tells him not to do it. The islands society is in ruins but his old morals are not
Theme: civilisation still existing over savagery, influencing it
Style: the verb conditioned - to have a significant influence over something
Writers intent: Golding does this to convey John Lockes theory that we are born empty minded and our environment (or society) shapes our characteristics 
L: Lets the reader know that even though the boys values are deteriorating - civilisation still controls and influences them, they are all still aware of what is rights and wrong for now.
]]> 2018-10-12 08:35:16 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065433 15jfindlay https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065501 Savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending to the fire. His choice has devastating consequences.]]> 2018-10-12 08:35:34 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065501 P: Savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending the fire. His choice has devastating consequences. 15aepps https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065536  E: “You let the fire out.’ This repitition made Jack uneasy. He looked at the twins and then back at Ralph.”
1. Jack is unaware of the complication that he caused by going hunting rather than watching the fire. Therefore the solidarity within the group has been interupted.
2. Jacks descent into savagery has increased rapidly, this is shown when he seems unbothered by the fact a ship has passed. Their reunition to civilisation has been delayed.
3. Golding uses syntax to convey the panic and doubtful feeling within Jack.
4. The writer intended for the reader to feel a similar reaction to the boys, and to understand the desperate need of Ralph to get off the island, which foreshadows that they know of the sudden descent into savagery and fears for the loss of civilisation. 
L: The comtemporary reader would have a more profound insight into the deeper meaning of the event, because of the political situation. ]]> 2018-10-12 08:35:43 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292065536 15akhalil https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292066259 P: savagery and civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending to the fire. His choice has devastating consequences.
E: “Ralph spoke again,hoarsely. He had not moved. ‘You let the fire out’ this repitition made jack uneasy. He looked at the twins and then back at Ralph.”
E: Ralph, who represents civilisation, has made it clear that he ]]> 2018-10-12 08:38:51 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292066259 Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a group. "Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for the same reason: it's human nature. 15ejanes https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292066463 P-Jack hunts pigs to feel strong, powerful and needed in the group.

E-“Kill the pig, spill her blood, cut her throat”

E- concept- is the jack needs to hunt to feel powerful and needed so he hunts to feel useful, to have a use in the group not a tag-a-long who lets everybody else do the work for him. Theme- the message given in this’s how he has a chant to keep order in place so it’s not savagery killing anything he sees it’s an order and plan on how to do it to keep civilisation which is unity which compares to being in a group. The style of language the writer uses is grimacing words using “the” which is a determenor article it’s not to kill any pig is “the” pig, that pig, not any other pig, the verbs used are short n direct to “kill”, “spill” and “cut” there’s no confusion it shows Jack knows exactly hat he wants to do but not because of his love for killing he wants to do it to show he’s not weak, that he has strength and can help out in the group. This could be cause he doesn’t want to feel like an outcast and end up alone, his fear of being abandoned he needs to be in the group to feel strong. 








( jack becomes belligerent)]]> 2018-10-12 08:39:59 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292066463 15mayton https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292067247 P- jacks mask shields him from civilisation’s hold , stripping him of his civilised identity, making him anonymous and free from shame ]]> 2018-10-12 08:43:24 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292067247 P:Savagery and Civilisation clash in the open for the first time. Jack chooses to hunt over tending the fire. His choice has devastating consequences 15srichardson https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292067852  E: ‘“ There was a ship. Out there. You said you’d keep the fire going and you let it out!” He took a step towards Jack who turned and faced him.’
E:
Concept: Savagery and Civilisation clash for the first time.
Theme: Jack and Ralph get into an arguement.
Devices/Symbols: Used a short sentance when Ralph was speaking show tension between them both.
Writers intent: Links to what was happening at the time between Russia and USA (conflict).
L: The reader would feel annoyed with Jack as he could’ve have probably got them of the island. The reader would also be able to see what the consequences of his actions would be.]]> 2018-10-12 08:46:02 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292067852 Point 15glong https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292068445  P:    Jack hunts pigs to feel strong and part of a group. "Civilised" boys pick on Piggy for    the same reason: it's human nature. 
E: “he began to dance and his laughter became a bloodthirsty snarling”
E1: This shows how Jack enjoys the sight of violence and how he believes this is how he can gain power. 
E2: Golding has portrayed the theme of savagery and how the boys are losing their morals.
E3: Zoomorphic language has been used to show how the boys are descending into savagery by becoming animals and how they are enjoying rebelling against the morals of civilisation by their enthusiasm towards violence.
E4: Golding has done this to challenge the readers assumptions and meke them more aware of their current political standings.
L- At the time this book was written (1950s), the leader of Russia (Stalin) is allowing the world to slowly descent into savagery with the treat of the atomic bomb which could  wipe out the whole population of the world. Lord of the flies is a microcosm reflection of this.]]> 2018-10-12 08:47:26 UTC https://padlet.com/adiprose/nde721l2a4nj/wish/292068445