4th Hour: Night Chapter 4 by Christine Bagnall https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m Respond to the two questions related to your purpose for reading. Also respond one post from a classmate: (1) Can prisoners “trust” each other in the camp? How do they establish relationships? (2) How do the different deaths Elie witnesses affect him differently? (soup, two hangings) en-us 2017-03-08 14:09:05 UTC 2021-02-04 01:27:48 UTC hello@padlet.com Kristeen E. keichsta000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168146648 (1) You can't really trust anyone except your family. Anyone will do anything to survive even if it means turning on someone. Me personally, wouldn't trust many people.  You could make/have relationships by knowing someone before hand.
(2) The soups tasted differently because Elie reacted differently to the deaths. When the young boy was hung he felt more sorry for him, so the soup tasted differently then the other mans death.]]> 2017-04-25 15:42:44 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168146648 Alora Bonilla https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168147594 1.) Prisoners can trust eachother, but I think they shouldn't put complete faith in them. They are all thrown into the same situation, so they all know in sense, how they feel. They all endure mostly the same punishments, and work. So they try to help eachother as much a posible. Because they would want someone to help them too. But some prisoners, not all, may only think of themselves, and what's best for them. They may trick others, be greedy, lie. But I think most of the prisoners trust eachother, and because of their situation, they form close bonds with the people they are with, since they see them everyday. 

2.) The first death, the soup death, Elie didn't really react. Although he had just witnessed a death, he and the other prisoners, moved on, happy that some bombs had been dropped, but mostly not bothering or reacting about the death that had just occurred. The second death, the first hanging, Elie felt deeply upset. He says in the book, that compared to all of the deaths that have already happened at Auschwitz and Birkenau, seeing this guy about to face death, was different to him. He was mad, sad, but after seeing that, he said the soup tasted better than ever. (Either from being hungry, or the relief to think of something else besides the death) The last hanging, Elie was affected, as always, by it. He just watched a child, a child that they all loved, be hanged. The kid had to suffer because he didn't die as quickly as the others. Elie said the soup he ate tasted of corpses. So seeing the child die, mad him think of death.]]> 2017-04-25 15:45:28 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168147594 Stephanie https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168148412 1. Prisoners CAN trust each other. They can trust others to be silent as they sneak, to not rat out those who have done wrong. But it depends on the person. They can. But it doesn't mean they will, and it doesn't mean it's the right choice. 2. Depending on what happens, the soup tastes differently to him. After the first hangings, the soup tasted better then ever. Mainly because they had been kept from their meals. But when the other hangings happen, the soup tastes like corpses. To watch a child hang between life and death can do that to a person. ]]> 2017-04-25 15:47:44 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168148412 Joelle https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168149591 1) The prisoners can't really trust anyone it's every man for themselves. They will do everything they can to stay aliveeven  if it's means turning on eachother. The only people they can really trust is the family that they have left.

2) The soups tasted differently depending on the death and the way it affected Elie. After the first death he said the soup tasted amazing but after the second eat he said on page 65 " That night, the soup tasted like corpses" he felt bad for the little boy who was hung but didn't die right away because he was too light.]]> 2017-04-25 15:50:59 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168149591 rkotalik000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168150259 1) The prisoners can trust each other, but kind depends on the person because some of the prisoners will tell the person in charge and others will just stay silent. The only relationships that everyone has is manly with their family's.
2) The death at the soup cauldrons really didn't affect him at all, and when they went to go clean up the destruction that the bombs made they were cheerful. Whenever the first hanging happened that night the soup tasted better than ever. Then when the child was being hung and then later died the soup tasted like corpses.]]> 2017-04-25 15:53:12 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168150259 nhirschf000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168150297 Im sure there are certain levels of trust within the camp butin general there isnt much trust that should be gained because you dont know whether what you tell them will stay a secret or not. They don't. The first two dont seem to bother him but the third one definitely does.]]> 2017-04-25 15:53:19 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168150297 Ray Lo dtimm000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168151123 The the prisoners can trust eachother  but it depends on who you decide to trust, either it's a person who you can actually trust without them failing you and the other where that person fails you completely. 

The different deaths affect the way he tasted the soups after, the first hanging made the soup taste better but the last one where the young pipel boy got hanged and he took a while to die made the soup taste like corpses.]]> 2017-04-25 15:55:47 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168151123 Parris https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168152016 The prisoners have to trust each other to stay sane. Without trust what do they have left? They trust eachother to have some normal in chaos, so when you're at your absolute worse, you have someone to count on and someone to help you stay sane. They establish these relationships by talking while doing work, having a random conversation with people. The hangings and the soup deaths that Elie had witnessed effected him differently. With the soup death Elie didn't pay much attention. With the first hanging it bothered him a little bit, but he could still sleep at night. The three hangings affected him so much that the soup tasted like corpses.]]> 2017-04-25 15:58:39 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168152016 Milo D https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168152403 I think you can trust some other prisoners, but not all. Some will help you out and some will not. In chapter 4 Ellie say her dad getting beat and she didn't like what she was seeing, but she couldn't do anything so you can trust some but not all. All the deaths she has witnessed as been bad for her. She doesn't need to see more and if she does she wouldn't be happy

]]> 2017-04-25 16:00:00 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168152403 Alex Gerstner https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168152740 1. The prisoners should be able to trust each other and I think they do but they can not put there complete trust in them and must rely on those who have been with them from the start. Trust is something that is earned not givin. You can want to trust someone but until they earn it you can not rely on them 100%.

2. I think the 2 different hangings effect Ellie differently for many reasons. I think he doesn't mind the first one because they were grown adults and they had stole and there life was ended quick. I think thee second one affected him so much because it was a child that was suffering for almost no reason and was suffering for a long amount of time.


]]> 2017-04-25 16:01:16 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168152740 Karlie Phipps https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153100 1) I think that the prisoners should be able to trust each other because they are all going through the same things, but I don't think that they can trust each other because they are all trying to fight for the same thing and it is pretty much every man for himself. 
2) the deaths affected him more each time, the first couple people that died right away didn't bother him becasue he said the soup never tasted so good but when the boy took almost an hour to die Elie said that, that night the soup tasted like corpses. So the harder the death the more it affects him.

]]> 2017-04-25 16:02:35 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153100 Jenna Medina https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153157 I don't think they can trust each other because it's basically every man for them selfs. As the deaths went on the soup got better. But the last one might not of been because it took him longer to die.]]> 2017-04-25 16:02:46 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153157 Jared Gorman jgorman000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153387 1.  I don't think they can trust each others, they have been through alot  and some of them might have lost it or gone crazy.
2. Each death effected him more and more, and he got more scared that, that could happen to him, like the 25 whips.]]> 2017-04-25 16:03:31 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153387 Clare Gedney https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153500 1) Yes, I think the prisoners can trust each other because they have nothing left and they are all in the camp together. They have no choice but to help the weak and hurt. 

2) The deaths that Ellie has seen effect him differently because of who the person is. Like the hanging with the little boy, it must have effected him a lot more than the previous ones because the little boy was a little boy, and not some random man. Deaths of children usually effect us more than deaths of older more mature people.

]]> 2017-04-25 16:03:51 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168153500 jberg000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168154264 1) No I don't think other prisoners should trust each other because they could just be using you for something. Even if they have nothing left they could throw you under the bus for something that they did.

2) Some of them didn't really faze him but when they hung the child everyone cried.]]> 2017-04-25 16:06:08 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168154264 gbyrne000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168155147 I think it depends I know for sure if prisoners are family members than for sure they should have eachothers backs, help eachother  and trust each other. At the same time I think the prisoners should work together to stay alive and revolt against the Nazi's.

I think it effected him by making him scared and making him realize that he most likely is gonna die or spend the rest of his life in the camp witnessing and experiencing horrible, horrible deeds and doings


]]> 2017-04-25 16:09:18 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168155147 amishka000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168155233 I think that most of the prisoners trust eachother  but I also think that there may be a lack of trust between certain people like Franek. Because they are all in the same situation it is easy for them to relate to one another.


]]> 2017-04-25 16:09:40 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168155233 Alexis Comstock https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168156045 1.)
I think it all depends on the person, because some of the people were very nice to him and his father, offering them advice and supplies. While other people were very mean to him and his father. Even the fellow prisoners hurt Eli.

2.)]]> 2017-04-25 16:12:34 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168156045 jknoll000_1_2 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168156242 1.     Prisoners cannot trust one another. All prisoners will do anything to get more rations of food, or a chance at keeping their life. Prisoner only wish for what would best help them, not the problems of others, the losses, or the heartache of others but only of themselves. On page 54, Franek wants Elie’s gold crown but Elie turns him down because he needed it, but Franek only cares for his personal gain so he slapped Elie’s father, this didn’t stop until Elie gave up his crown, from there Elie and Franek had a “friendship”. The only friendships gained between prisoners is when there is trade for rations or life.



2.     “Hearts pounding harder: he had succeeded” (59). Elie was jealous of this man who had gotten the soup but he almost immediately turns his thoughts to say how he was already dead in his mind, and when he died he didn’t care. After the bombing Elie witnesses the hanging of a prisoner but after the hanging, he seems to not have cared only stating, “the soup tasted better than ever...” (63). Though he may have not cared about this one hanging when the hanging of a pipel came about, the Lagerkapo refused to execute the pipel and two other prisoners, when they were hung the young pipel was still alive (barely) as Elie passed. This hanging had made Elie feel how God has abandoned him, “‘Where He is? This is where-hanging from this gallows...’” (65). But he also goes on to explain how the soup tasted like corpse, meaning Elie’s thought on death had changed greatly from before.

]]> 2017-04-25 16:13:13 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168156242 erodefer000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168243937 1. I do not belive that the inmates can ever really trust each other, because in this situation all they are really thinking about is their survival, their needs, their feelings, and their happiness. Some people actually nice, But Elie thought Franek was friendly. But when Franek saws Elie's gold crown he suddenly turned on him Because he wanted the crown for his own benefit. Franek beat Elie's dad until Elie gave him his crown.


2. "In our minds he was already dead." When the man started drinking the soup during the raid, at first Elie was jealous, but then he knew the man was going to die, so he wasn't that stunned because he expected it. Then when the young man was hung he said he felt deeply unsettled, but then stated that "The soup tasted better than ever." So I believe that he started getting used to death so he didn't have any worries, so he could better enjoy his soup. But then a young pipel and three other prisoners were hung and it struck them all hard, due to his lack of weight the pipel did not die right a way instead it toke him about a half an hour, this made Elie lose hope in God, So he said "That night, the soup tasted of corpses." I think he said this because he started worrying more and only thought of death.

]]> 2017-04-25 21:55:39 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168243937 Cora Panno https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168273007 I don't think prisoners can trust one and other. With the exception of family, prisoners will do whatever they can to get more food or anything to benefit themselves and their families. Elie thought that Franek was nice and a possible friend. But when Franek saw Elies crown he disregarded their "friendship" and did what benefited him.

The first death didn't really upset him, he was getting used to the idea of death and it was becoming a normality. The next man that was hung affected him a little more, but he still enjoyed his soup and didn't dwell on it for too long. However the next hangings upset him deeply and affected him more so than the other two deaths. "The soup tasted of corpses" justifies that he could no longer enjoy his soup because of the effect the deaths had on him

]]> 2017-04-26 03:29:40 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/168273007 dtimm000 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/170902246 No bc people in there just try to survive by themselves like that guy said to forget about his dad and  to not give him his food he should be getting his but it was different for other people as they make relationships with people to help them

And the first death didn't really care because he got used to it then the other two meant more to  him 


]]> 2017-05-10 00:50:44 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/170902246 skha1732 https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/1161610642 2021-02-04 01:27:48 UTC https://padlet.com/LitWithBagnall/mt2ebewtyh4m/wish/1161610642