The Big Idea: Black's book by Alex Hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7 en-us 2020-11-19 19:41:54 UTC 2023-03-04 11:53:15 UTC hello@padlet.com What is the big idea in this excerpt from Conrad Black's book? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/943598590 2020-11-19 21:40:20 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/943598590 alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/943606458 2020-11-19 21:43:13 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/943606458 Do we know more than we did in 2014? If so, would we have responded differently? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743498658 2021-09-15 17:19:38 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743498658 https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743506000 Big idea of the excerpts is know the early European settlements in Canada.]]> 2021-09-15 17:22:25 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743506000 Can we infer how Conrad Black would answer this question?: Why did the West "win" in Canada? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743506549 2021-09-15 17:22:39 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743506549 Austin https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743509223 Black attempts to explain through loaded language that the Europeans were an industrious and hardy people who were more innovative than the “primitive” Indigenous peoples. Specifically, the gentle British “settlers” in comparison to the manipulative French “settlers”. 

]]> 2021-09-15 17:23:33 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743509223 Jay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743511816 I don't like this in the elast, it seems like general excuses rather than an unbiased look]]> 2021-09-15 17:24:30 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743511816 Canada has been good at covering up its past. Excellent propaganda. This is how the world sees us. (Beatrice) alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743513575 2021-09-15 17:25:05 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743513575 Incorrect about alcoholism https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743513927 There are many factors that lead most Indigenous people (addressing in this book as Indians) such as depression holly caused by the European’s intervention on their known culture

Adama]]> 2021-09-15 17:25:13 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743513927 this is an answer to the big question, I think alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743516486 2021-09-15 17:26:02 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743516486 true, we learn quite a bit about the European settlers; notice that CB also has a lot to say about the First Peoples alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743521483 2021-09-15 17:27:40 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743521483 Edwin https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743524045 Black is literally making the same argument as Diamond. With the mention of heavy artillery, European diseases, and smelting.]]> 2021-09-15 17:28:30 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743524045 I had NOT noticed this. Okay, are there significant differences between Diamond and CB? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743527176 2021-09-15 17:29:25 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743527176 Austin https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743530203 Black's response is even more repulsive in my opinion because he emphasizes the primitiveness of Indigenous societies instead of solely highlighting the "accomplishments" of the Europeans.]]> 2021-09-15 17:30:32 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743530203 Meanie Bo Beanies https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743531215 The European explorers had louder voices and bigger guns. So what they said, went. They felt Indigenous societies were not worthy of conservation, nor were their loss worth lamenting. The Europeans were seeking control, and they obtained it by any means necessary. I feel they did not view Indigenous people as humans, but rather some lowly beings that were beneath them. They took what they wanted and destroyed anything that stood in their way, without any humanity or compassion. They accused Indigenous people of being unrefined "savages", but in reality they treated them savagely. 

The OG gaslighters! 😒

- Gabie]]> 2021-09-15 17:30:54 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743531215 What does it mean to say that they have not discovered the wheel? Chioma https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743531558 2021-09-15 17:31:01 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743531558 maybe these are parts of CB's answer to the question. Do they add up together to a general answer? Diamond's answer is luck (lucky guns, lucky germs, lucky steel). What is CB's over-arching answer? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743532084 2021-09-15 17:31:14 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743532084 The big idea according to previous studies of the treatment of of the people by the colonials shows manipulations,dehumanization and exploitaton to the the indians. https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743537268 2021-09-15 17:33:02 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743537268 I'll challenge you on a specific point here: there were very FEW Europeans compared to the population of First Peoples. Does that change anything? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743539773 2021-09-15 17:33:55 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743539773 Interesting! Now, is this CB's answer to the question -- or yours? alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743543377 2021-09-15 17:35:10 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743543377 Identity https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743547746 We are aware today that they prefer to be called Indigenous people and that all that invaded were for-profit regardless 

Adama ]]> 2021-09-15 17:36:42 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743547746 Yes, and no. https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743556874 Knowing this does warrant a revision of my initial statement, but only to remove the words "more people with". The rest of my points do not change.]]> 2021-09-15 17:40:12 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743556874 Yes, we have lots of evidence (vestiges) that tell us colonists felt exactly this way ("They felt Indigenous societies were not worthy of conservation, nor were their loss worth lamenting.") It's so interesting that CB reaches a very similar (identical) conclusion. alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743557693 2021-09-15 17:40:31 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743557693 Life expectancy at 30years about five centuries ago is contradictory to what we heard about the ancestors. Chioma https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743561665 2021-09-15 17:41:55 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743561665 Even though the individuals already had away of life before the coming of the Europeans,their intrution more or less made the indians lose sight of the organised way of life the lived before the arrival which led to so many unruly behaviors like the alcoholic introductions for instance.-Eniye https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743568210 2021-09-15 17:44:11 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743568210 Exploitation of the Indigenous people and their land https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743572719 European with its advanced technology became dominant against the indigenous people and won control of the New World. But with its dominating cannons and muskets they forgot to respect the amount of years that were spent by the indigenous people in the so called New World. Their exploitation of the resources and hospitable nature of the indigenous people revealed their true intent on treating the world and its underdeveloped civilizations. Imperialism in Europe opened the doors to greed and abuse of power and it’s still present to this day. So no, this is not a victory to no one. It’s just a start to many more wars and political dogma. ]]> 2021-09-15 17:45:44 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743572719 Austin https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743602747 This is an example of a publisher that would support Black today. 
Website - https://www.prageru.com/
Twitter -  https://twitter.com/prageru?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor]]> 2021-09-15 17:56:51 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743602747 In my analysis of the given text, Conrad Black has listed and clarified the developmental differences between two societies, that when they collide, some elements of said societies dissipate, some prevail over others with negative elements potentially emerging. I think Black's big idea is societal and political disaccord. https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743788649 2021-09-15 19:12:44 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743788649 ok, interesting. Your tone and approach is perfect for academic writing. This is exactly the objective stance that all historians (and other researchers) aim for. There's no emotional language. Most importantly, you're not making any value judgements about good or bad.) Take out the "I" and this is ready to be included in a university essay. alex_hay https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743958341 2021-09-15 20:46:43 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1743958341 Here after reading the article! I feel like I couldn't have worded my feelings regarding the passage from that book better. History is 100% told by those privileged enough to have a voice. People like Black. He uses his voice to push racist ideologies and spread misinformation. I am however determined to be more critical of the history I read, and to look deeper into who's exactly I'm reading from. https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1744048760 -Edwin ]]> 2021-09-15 21:49:55 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1744048760 https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1744465121 Just from reading the title of Conrad Black’s book “Rise to Greatness: the History of Canada” I was expecting complete objectivity in the excerpt. As I progressed through the excerpt, it became clear Black’s writing was filled with personal judgment. Another thing I noticed was there were no citations/quotations from experts etc. so I questioned the legitimacy of the information presented especially because of its biased nature, (Was the information well researched? Did he obtain correct information through credible and correct sources?). I thought Mr. Black would have showcased examples of supporting evidence throughout the excerpt. And lastly, I just wanted to touch on Mr. Black’s complete disregard of the Indigenous Peoples contributions to Canadian history. After all it was the Indigenous Peoples who helped Europeans adapt to the Canadian climate/environment, offered their own natural remedies for illnesses, taught Europeans ways to transport around (i.e., kayaks, canoes, snowshoeing etc.) and many, many other things?! Was this not good enough to acknowledge or mention? 


]]> 2021-09-16 01:45:02 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1744465121 https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1744751820 European settlement in Canada, according to Black, has had a significant impact on the indigenous culture, education, and way of life. In general, make it a more civilized country. He also depicts negative aspects of indigenous people, such as their use of alcohol, which has no historical significance. I believe is unnecessary to mention when writing about history. In short, it's an interesting excerpt, but I believe it's more of a political anthology than a historical one.

Maimonah]]> 2021-09-16 03:37:38 UTC https://padlet.com/alex_hay/mkhi43l9bkt6abm7/wish/1744751820