Lukas and Liv Copy of Debate Prep by Liv Cederholm

Claim

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 17:23:30 UTC

The Qin Dynasty's collapse was inevitable due to its harsh Legalist policies, which created widespread resentment and instability. A Confucian model could have promoted long-term stability, but the immediate need for strict control made it impractical at the time.

Question: Was leadership the cause of the collapse or was it something else?

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 17:24:22 UTC

The Collapse of the Qin Dynasty Was Inevitable Due to Its Leadership Approach

Question: Could the Qin’s leaders have used Confucian ideas to prevent a collapse?

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 17:26:35 UTC

A Confucian Model Could Have Ensured Qin’s Longevity

Suggestions

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 17:33:13 UTC

Question: Would the Qin dynasty be ready for Confucius's ideas?

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 17:36:37 UTC

The Qin Dynasty Was Not Ready for Confucian Ideas

Question: Did the Qin Dynasty Collapse Due to Internal Weakness Rather Than Its Leadership Approach?

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 17:38:05 UTC

Was the fall of the Qin Dynasty more a result of internal instability, such as rapid expansion, economic strain, and succession issues, rather than its harsh leadership style? While there are strong cases for causal links of both theories, it is very difficult to prove or ascertain the actual weight or impact of one over the other.

Important advanced evidence from "The Qin Dynasty and the Unification of China"

lgrimminger28 — 2025-01-24 19:37:55 UTC

“The Han dynasty reintroduced Confucianism as the official state philosophy... forming the basis for the civil service examination system.”

The Qin Dynasty and the Unification of China

lgrimminger28 — 2025-01-24 19:52:37 UTC

“Millions of people were dragooned to the huge construction jobs, many dying... Wealthy and influential men in the provinces were compelled to move to the capital.

Confucius Reading

lgrimminger28 — 2025-01-24 19:53:23 UTC

“Confucius’s moral and political philosophy... was met with suspicion and not adopted during his lifetime.”

Qin History Article

lgrimminger28 — 2025-01-24 19:54:02 UTC

“Before he unified ancient China in 221 BCE, it was a region of diverse states, differing in culture, ethnicity, and language.”

Warring states

lcederholm28 — 2025-01-24 20:02:37 UTC

confusious came about in the spring times which where very different form the warring period where Qin from

The Qin Dynasty and the Unification of China

lgrimminger28 — 2025-01-24 20:10:58 UTC

“As late as the second century B.C., Han scholars were still attacking the Qin family structure as failing to observe the principale of filial piety, a cardinal virtue in the confucian moral code”