A Tale of Two Systems by Stephen Hairgrove https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi Answer three of the questions on Canvas en-us 2021-12-01 11:51:17 UTC 2021-12-02 16:24:07 UTC hello@padlet.com 8691341 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922753474 We learned about how the Chinese Communist Party got some of its legitimacy through the economic growth that China experienced under the party. This connects to the part in his speech where he talks about how more people in China were brought out of poverty than in all democracies.]]> 2021-12-01 13:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922753474 What is connection between something he said in his speech and what we learned about in Chinese history? 8631894 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922753619 China is run by 1 party who rules everyone and everything]]> 2021-12-01 13:33:23 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922753619 8640647 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922755606 Adaptability, Meritocracy, and Legitimacy are key components of the one party system.]]> 2021-12-01 13:34:11 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922755606 8634885 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922756773 Privatization and self-correction is possible even in a one party system]]> 2021-12-01 13:34:39 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922756773 What did you find surprising about the speech? 12449720 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922756883
Adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy are the defining characteristics of China's one-party system. The party is constantly self-correcting despite its authoritarian, brutal regime. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:34:41 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922756883 What is connection between something he said in his speech and what we learned about in Chinese history? 8695629 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922757059 1. He talked about how China grew from a country with high poverty and low agricultural yield to the second largest economy. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:34:45 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922757059 What has changed since he made this speech (either here or there) that adds to or detracts from his points? 8691341 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922757071 Xi getting rid of term limits detracts from his point about the party adapting to prevent one leader from getting all the power.]]> 2021-12-01 13:34:45 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922757071 8574158 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922757965 2. I thought it was surprising when he said that one party systems cannot amend or self correct; they are unable to reform. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:35:07 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922757965 What has changed since he made this speech (either here or there) that adds to or detracts from his points? 8631894 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922758099 Xi just abolished term limits and actions by the party to keep long rulers out of the government is no longer true. Political reforms were redacted to allow him to rule.]]> 2021-12-01 13:35:11 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922758099 Questions: 121871761 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922758314 1. In his speech he states that the Chinese Communist Party is the one and only party of China, which we learned in class 
2. I found surprising that he said that many peoples thought of the party being illegitimate was completely wrong
4. What has changed is that there are no more term limits, which may contradict his speech because this only adds to more aspects of the party having weak legitimacy in the eyes of outside countries]]> 2021-12-01 13:35:17 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922758314 4762718513 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922760204 1. He illustrates that the One Party system is based in it's adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy, which is linked to the history we've learned, where they've come to value such things over time and correct themselves.

3. I agree with his point that political reform is constantly happening, and only not acknowledged because they do not align with expectations on what those reforms should look like. 

6. I do not think that China's government has more legitimacy than the United States', though that doesn't mean it's vice versa either. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:36:06 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922760204 What did you find surprising about the speech? 8691341 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922761443 I found it surprising that one of his main points was that a lot of powerful people in the CCP had "normal lives" versus how a lot of powerful politicians in democracies have come from privilege. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:36:32 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922761443 84095041 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922761640 1.China's single party system managed to reduce poverty on a scale that was unheard of before. 
2. It is surprising how he mentioned that there was a lot of mobility in the party.
4.China has created reforms that create limits and terms for leaders.

]]> 2021-12-01 13:36:38 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922761640 8640647 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922763221 He talks about how the party adapts to prevent someone from getting too much power but that it contradicted by Xi getting rid of term limits]]> 2021-12-01 13:37:14 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922763221 Tale of 2 Systems 8678608 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922763748 1. Back then, the people were poor and could've afford any food and most of them lived off of food stamps.
2. I'm surprised that there was a retirement age at 68.
3. A lot of the members of the higher up in the CCP come from ordinary backgrounds, while it is a one party system.]]> 2021-12-01 13:37:27 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922763748 Questions 2845883269 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764255 1. He said that China went from a slow/bad economy to an increase in economic growth during the Communist Party rise. We learned about this in class with Mao's rule and rise in power and his reforms impacting the economy in a good way.
2. I found it surprising that they made a change that people in the government have to retire at the age of 68-70.
3. I believe the Chinese government has more legitimacy than the American government as it is a system based mainly on meritocracy and its history has contributed greatly to the legitimacy of the government. The economic growth is also a great contributor to its greater legitimacy in the eyes of the people. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:37:37 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764255 7346726499 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764439 1. He mentioned the Great Leap Forward, which we learned about in Chinese history. I thought it was interesting that he said it as if it was a good policy, and yet it killed millions of people. 

3. He said the party is a leading expert in political reforms, but they crush opposition to them and have zero transparency. Over the years, they have gotten worse and worse, with more censorship and surveillance. I don’t see how that translates to political reforms. 

6. I don’t think so because in the Chinese government almost everything is done behind closed doors, and there is no real accountability to the people. The only ones who actually have influence all agree on the same policies (considering they are all members of the Communist Party), and thus there is no ability for everyday people to have a say in government. I think this political efficacy is crucial to legitimacy, but can’t properly manifest itself in such a system. 


]]> 2021-12-01 13:37:42 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764439 Ted Talk 9612588287 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764732 2. What did you find surprising about the speech? The fact that the largest and most effective way that the economy rose and poverty lowered was under the Communist Party
3. What did you agree with or disagree with? I disagree with the fact that he says that China contradicts past mistakes as now the mistake of having no term limits for president has returned to the constitution.
4. What has changed since he made this speech (either here or there) that adds to or detracts from his points? Well Mao's policy of no term limits has returned which detracts from his comments that this party does not repeat past mistakes.

]]> 2021-12-01 13:37:50 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764732 12386987 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764811 1. He discussed China's history and how they grew out of poverty to be an economic superpower.
2. I'm surprised that a representative of the CCP is giving a Ted Talk because I thought that they wouldn't care to try and explain their government to other people and countries. They emphasize adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy.
4. China has removed term limits since this speech.]]> 2021-12-01 13:37:52 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922764811 Andres Arango 8623423 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922765719 1. The speaker mentioned how entrepreneurship and agriculture boosted China's economy and status. This was also mentioned in our lesson.
2. One thing that has changed is Xi's change to term limits which now allow him to rule indefinitely.
3. I was surprised by the practice of constant self correction and how the government has changed drastically and become something very distant from Mao's China.

]]> 2021-12-01 13:38:15 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922765719 What did you find surprising about the speech? 8631894 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922765810 The vast majority of powerful position holders within the party don't come from privilege but ordinary people that climb through the ranks. The party has created a path from ordinary people to enter the party and then gain power. They find the best of the best with potential no matter where they come from to promote the winners and move on the track. If they are no longer worthy of a higher position they stop or get booted. It's a pyramid of power formed by merit and success.]]> 2021-12-01 13:38:17 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922765810 8631896 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922765890 1) He noted that the political system in China is constantly reforming and changing which is confirmed in studying China's history.
2) I found it surprising that many of the top government systems are made up of people who come from completely ordinary lives.
3) I agree that it is quite difficult for a one party system to correct their mistakes and rule effectively and equally. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:38:20 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922765890 6441437716 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922767102 1. One connection was that over the past forty years China's poverty has decreased from over 80% living in party to less than 5% live in poverty
4. When this speech was made the party had term limits and mandatory retirement ages but as we've seen in the last 3 years with Xi this concept has largely eroded.
6. I think its difficult to compare the degree of legitimacy between America and China. On the surface there is more political dissident and push back against the government in the US than in China but to what degree is this because of the element of Freedom of Speech. Overall I think that each country has its faults and struggles with its populous. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:38:50 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922767102 12449720 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922768544 Most senior Chinese leaders achieved their positions through merit. Even first world developed nations do not have as much upward mobility. The social and political organization system of China allows mobility despite the repression of the one party system. Although this may be the case, I think that America still has more legitimacy than China because of free and fair elections and open political dissent and criticism. ]]> 2021-12-01 13:39:28 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922768544 What did you find surprising about the speech? https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922987453 Adaptability, meritocracy and legitimacy are important in the Chinese government ]]> 2021-12-01 14:59:30 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922987453 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922992319 He connected the historical development we learned in class to explain how this makes China adaptable- he explained that acts like the Great Leap Forward, Deng Xiaopings policies, and the Cultural Revolution shows the great variety in Chinese politics and reform, and their policy making is not ridged. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:01:14 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922992319 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922993617 Deng and the technocratic leaders enacted a wide range of policy that showed the adaptability of the Chinese system.]]> 2021-12-01 15:01:44 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922993617 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922996903 2. I found it surprising that about 80% of poverty alleviation during the time happened in China alone, more than all the other democracies combined.
4. The removal of term limits that were placed after Mao's time detracts from his point of the self-corrective capacity of the CCP.
5. I found his argument that the CCP was the world's leading party in term of self-correction a weak argument.]]> 2021-12-01 15:02:57 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922996903 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922997158 1. Term limits have gone.
2. Poverty and overall wealth/success has gone up while having a one party system
3. No it does not have more legitimacy than the American government because people being elected through voting is the ultimate source of legitimacy.]]> 2021-12-01 15:03:03 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922997158 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922997504 It was surprising how comfortable he was with the lack of rights under the Chinese system and the limit of political participation  ]]> 2021-12-01 15:03:11 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922997504 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922998025 1. he mentions how much agriculture changes china's economy which we learned in the lecture
4. the reforms have changed such as china removing term limits 
6.i dont think so based on how it lacks free and fair elections, and other things that allow legitimacy to build all things that we have in the US. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:03:24 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1922998025 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923000380 2. I found it surprising that most political scientists will agree that one party systems fail relatively fast however China has had a one party system for a while now and they have become more and more successful as the years have come. 
3. I agree that one party systems are hard to keep because its hard to keep them legitimate but its not impossible.
4. Since he made this speech, China has changed their term limit policy. This adds to his points because he also noted that political reforms are always occurring in the most fundamental types. China giving unlimited term limits shows a major reform in their government structure because now leaders can rule til they die or are forced to retire.



]]> 2021-12-01 15:04:19 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923000380 1. One connection is the wide range of policy in the country's policy from Mao communism to Deng's more economic liberalization. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923000838 2.I disagree that the party is now entirely meritocratic. Even though they didn't come from wealth they mostly came into power through patron client relationships. In addition, they grew up at a time when most people were poor and thus were able to take advantage of the increased economic growth. 
3.I believe that the Chinese government does have more legitimacy since no one questions whose in charge. In America there is question especially with some people claiming that Biden didn't get elected. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:04:30 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923000838 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923002779 Question 3. Something surprising that he said was that even though they were in the mess due to the one party system he realized that this was good, and they supported it 
Question 4. I don't agree with the point he made as he said that in a one party system only a few can actually control things, and corruption follows, but in the reality I think that they are actually corrupt as they are exempt from rule of law, and they impose unfair restrictions on the people. 
Question 6. I don't believe it is more legitimate but I also can't say it was less legitimate as they were both taken over by power, but I wouldn't say it is more legitimate rather equal possible legitimates
 ]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:12 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923002779 what did you agree with? https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923002886 someone does not need to necessarily be elected into a role, they more importantly need to have the competency to be able to do the job.]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:15 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923002886 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003105 I found his development argument to be weak as many western democracies have already developed and therefore it is more difficult for them to see the large growth developing countries see.]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:20 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003105 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003217 Deng’s Market revolution, the great leap forward, farmland privatization is mentioned both in history notes and the tedtalk
The retirement changed since this video was made  
It was surprising that there is a vast mobilization of the party]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:23 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003217 ted talk https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003436 1) One Connection would be China's cultural revolution. 
2) I found that China was expected to stay poor and corrupt and that their system would not prosper. 
4) China has removed term limits from his speech. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:29 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003436 arhan's answers https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003582 1. The self  correction from the CCP is embodied in the historical evidence of the rapid changes in policy, from the Great Leap forward to the centralization of the economy and then to Deng's market reforms. 
4. China's removal of term limits has changed everything because it represents a shift to a more authoritarian system, seemingly ignoring history.
6. No, because it is not chosen by the people, and not able to be criticized. If it was a true one party state and supported by the people, then it would be legitimate, but censorship prevents this]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:32 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003582 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003599 1) One connection in his speech was that China's political system has been changing, and that every aspect of Chinese society has changed due to fundamental political reforms.
2) I was surprised that the retirement age was set to 68
4) Something that has changed is that term limits have been eliminated. This detracts from his point by saying that more aspects of the party have weak legitimacy. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:32 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003599 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003959 4. One big change is the new lack of term limits, which will likely decrease the adaptability of the system. This means that the party will continue with the "disastrous mistakes" that leaders make
5. Though his argument about meritocracy is certainly fair as the system is largely merocratic, he fails to explain why this is inherently better than being voted into office.
6. Ultimately, both systems have very different methods of achieving legitimacy. Though we have historically seen a large amount of legitimacy coming from elections, after the attack on the Capitol due to not believing in election, we may have some trouble. It is practically impossible to compare the two due to the lack of freedom of speech]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:40 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923003959 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004040 1) One point that he made was that the political system in China is constantly changing through critical political reforms as we saw with the different dynasties in Chinese history.
4) One thing that changed since this speech was that term limits do not exist anymore.
6) I think that America still has more legitimacy because of the fact that policy is made within the Central Committee behind closed doors and there is also a lot of "covering-up" in order to seem legitimate. On the other hand, America is a bit more open and some politicians are not afraid to say their true opinion. That being said - it's hard to fully be able to compare legitimacy because the systems and cultures are so vastly different.]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:42 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004040 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004180 4. The abolition of term limits has changed since this speech.
2. I found it interesting that he emphasized meritocracy as much as he did - being born into power and wealth isn't as profound as working the way up to the top. Merit plays a larger role than patronage.
6. I think that they have different kinds of legitimacy - but the facts show that China has greater satisfaction (supposedly).]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:46 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004180 8682581 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004190 1. He talked about how China came out of poverty and grew to have one of the largest economies in the world, which we learned about in Chinese history after Mao's regime.
4. One change since making this speech is the term limits. Xi removed presidential term limits in 2018, after the ted talk.
6. I do not believe that China has more legitimacy than America, his arguments are supported by data that is easily fake and it seems hard to have legitimacy without elections.]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:46 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004190 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004457 1. The rise of the communist party helped reduce poverty in China and increase economic growth. 
4. One thing that has changed since the speech is that term limits for the executive no longer exist. Xi has gotten rid of these term limits. 

]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:52 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004457 Ted https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004467 1. The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are both historic policies in China that were implemented by Mao Zedong to help elevate the economy and promote nationalism.  
2. The retirement age has changed from 68-70 to a lower one of 60. This was part of the new policies implemented by the government.
3. I found it shocking to find out that he expressed the government as more meritocratic and legitimate as its members are composed of individuals who come from regular backgrounds. Although this might be true, there is lots of underlying corruption which undermines their system of working hard to go up the ladder. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:52 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004467 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004610 I think its suprising how he suggested that the communist party adapts easily to change and different policy. Meritocracy which has existed in China for thousands of years still plays important in China.]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:55 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004610 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004761 2. I'm surprised he presented the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution as positive reforms.
4. Term limits are now being removed, a similarity to Mao's rule and a negative political reform.
5. He sort of just declared that some US presidents wouldn't make it far in China's system.]]> 2021-12-01 15:05:58 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923004761 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923005668 2. I found it surprising that he said that the Chinese communist party has a lot of legitimacy.  I couldn't imagine a one party state having that much legitimacy.

4. He said that the Chinese Communist Party adapted by putting term limits on the president.  This is no longer a thing which takes away from his point of adaptation.

6. I think that competency can definitely show that you have the ability to rule and help with legitimacy, but I still believe that voting is fundamental to legitimacy. It also gives the people a sense of political efficacy, which I think is important for legitimacy.]]> 2021-12-01 15:06:21 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923005668 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923005705 2) I was surprised at the varying policies of China. Despite being a one-party system, they have successfully adapted to rapidly grow their economy. 
4) The term limits have recently been changed to indefinite after being limited to 2 five year terms. The recent illiberal trends in developed countries adds to his point of aloof leaders in the West. As compared to the Chinese leaders who work they way up, learning the intricacies of the system.
6) I think that the Chinese government is considered more legitimate by its people than is the case in the US. The technical skill and consistent growth have contributed to high approval ratings. While the inherent competition in democratic system always has some people unsatisfied by election results.]]> 2021-12-01 15:06:22 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923005705 Tale of Two Systems Questions https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923011671


1. When discussing the more turbulent self-correction methods of one party only systems, the speaker made connections to Maos failures through the Great Leap Forward and the violence that was inspired in the Cultural Revolution. Through difficulties, the speaker refers to how China reconsolidated federal power, centralized agriculture and other industries, reduced state powers, and engage in methods to deal with the detriments of Mao's cult of personality. Such exemplifies that nondemocratic regimes are able to engage in self-correction.

2. In reflecting on the speech, I found the concept of meritocracy, adaptability, and legitimacy being the defining characteristics of a nondemocratic regime surprising because of my partial personal bias that American has established of viewing nondemocratic regimes as slightly less effective than democratic regimes. 

6. In assessing China's legitimacy, I believe that China may have more legitimacy than America's government. Legitimacy is defined by a country's right to rule. In China, large proportions of the population support China's political direction and believe that they have greater prosperity than they did 5 years ago. Because of such unified support towards China's CCP, something which isn't as evident in American society, it may be plausible that China's government has a greater ability to rule than America's government. ]]> 2021-12-01 15:08:00 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923011671 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923226743 It was surprising to see a different point of view on whether or not China is unchanging due to its concept of adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy that continues to uphold the theoretical idea of a sort of stability.
As of recent, term limits were ruled out and no longer apply to Xi's rule which allows him to rule indefinitely. ]]> 2021-12-01 16:31:31 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923226743 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923545270 I do think china has more legitimacy, its just from a different source. America's western culture sees legitimacy in a very different way than Chinese culture does, and they do view themselves as a democracy, giving them legitimacy anyway. Plus they have the results to back it up. ]]> 2021-12-01 18:41:31 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1923545270 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925115430 I agree with the fact that one party systems can adapt and don't have to be so rigid.]]> 2021-12-02 13:32:32 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925115430 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925116550 1. We learned about the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, and he uses these examples as evidence towards the adaptability of Chinas government. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:33:02 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925116550 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117150 1) His story links into the reforms by Deng Xiaoping that we learned as well as Mao's policies like the Great Leap Forward. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:33:19 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117150 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117218 We learned that China had grew significantly economically in only a few decades due to extreme political reforms.]]> 2021-12-02 13:33:20 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117218 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117299 A connection between what he said about their history is that they were progressing at a faster rate than other countries regardless of what government system they have. 
He also talked about farmland privatization which correlates with what we learned about the household system and the great leap forward. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:33:22 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117299 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117869 I found the fact that he talked about the Great Leap Forward as a positive impact to Chinese society despite the amount of deaths associated with this movement]]> 2021-12-02 13:33:35 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925117869 Tale of Two Systems Questions https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119013
  1. What has changed since he made this speech (either here or there) that adds to or detracts from his points?
    1. The reference to term limits weakens his argument in the present because this has been removed. The rule of Mao, that he references as a negative, is parallel to the rule of Xi.

]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:01 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119013 A connection between something he said in his speech and what we learned about in Chinese history was that the Great Leap Forward helped the economy. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119219 2021-12-02 13:34:05 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119219 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119379 1. I can match the fact that the speaker said he had to live off food stamps with my previous knowledge on the famine after the Great Leap Forward. 
2. I found surprising that the party is actually able to self correct as that was one concept I was not fully grasping. 
3. I agree with the fact that there has been so many reforms that China is not recognizable as the communist state it once tried to be. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:09 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119379 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119754 A connection from his speech to what we learn about Chinese history is how leaders use to rule for life. In his speech he talks about how the government has changed the term limits and implemented a retirement age because of how unsuccessful it was for leaders to rule for life, the speaker used Mao as an example. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:17 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119754 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119853 1. New rules in China have adapted to the mistakes of the past. They have grown from these changes.
2. Even with a one party, the party is able to adapt to it's mistakes, and make sure t]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:20 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925119853 1. The speaker discusses how China's policies changed drastically over 50 years despite the one-party system. We learned that Deng and Jiang's market reforms and capitalist cooperation contrasted greatly with Mao's devotion to communism. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121211 2021-12-02 13:34:51 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121211 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121236 2. Even with a one party, the party is able to adapt to it's mistakes, and make sure that the country grows. The party is near the top of upward mobilty.]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:52 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121236 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121346 One thing that has changed in China's government since this speech is the removal of the term limits]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:54 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121346 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121347 I think it's surprising how highly the speaker speaks of China, showing how people in China are taught to think of their government with high bias and no opposition.]]> 2021-12-02 13:34:54 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121347 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121637 I found surprising about his speech was how competitive the process to get to the top within the CCP truly is and wealth is not enough to dictate it. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:02 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121637 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121742 1. He discusses agricultural reforms such as privatization and Xiaoping's economic reforms 
2. I found it surprising how he attempted to explain why China was the world's leading country in political reform. Since political reform is neither good nor bad, I can see where his argument comes from, although I had never thought about it like that before. I've just always seen it as a liberating technique. 
3. I disagree with his claim that democracy is gained through competency. that isn't always true, leaders can know what they're doing and still make bad choices]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:04 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925121742 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925122182 3. I agree that one party systems aren't inherently bad. While China's government is efficient, I don't think that the government is effective in reducing corruption. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:15 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925122182 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925122241 1. He is a businessperson speaking on the effectiveness of the CCP's one party rule and he talks about Jiang's party opening.

]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:17 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925122241 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925122865 2. He says that adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy are main characteristics of the one party system, and I would have thought that these would be the opposite of reality.]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:32 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925122865 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123029 3) I disagree with the idea that the party has been the leader in political change as this was merely the result of individual leader exercising their power. Political change is only effective when it is done by choice of the people. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:36 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123029 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123132 3. I think that there are many other examples of political reform that take place through government transparency and true democracy.]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:38 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123132 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123195 At one point, he talked about a mistake by the party, so policy changed and created an retirement age. I think that this is an important aspect of adaptability, but it was weak in Chinese ideology, as it directly opposed the party's past.]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:40 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123195 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123894 Something I found surprising was how he mentioned many of the people who have high government roles were common people who worked their way up. Only 5 of them came from privilege.]]> 2021-12-02 13:35:58 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925123894 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925124036 4. Terms limits have been added but Xi Jingping is going to keep changing the constitution to keep being the leader of the country. He has aldready led for more than his terms limts.]]> 2021-12-02 13:36:01 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925124036 Tale of Two Systems https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125107
  • What did you agree with or disagree with?
    1. The argument that corruption doesn't exist, just because a meritocracy is present, seems untrue. Anti-corruption isn't merely being able to get into the system; it is maintaining the interests of the people directly, without thinking of one's own interests. This argument feels poorly substatiated.
    • ]]>     2021-12-02 13:36:28 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125107     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125202 1. I noticed the communist party gaining power, noting back to what we learned in class.
    2. I am surprised on how much he is praising China, as it is a perfect leader, taking a blind eye to the corruption and power the outside world is able to see.
    4. Since this speech, China's term limit has changed, leading the way to more reform in the possible future.]]>     2021-12-02 13:36:30 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125202     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125506 I feel like the Chinese government has more legitimacy despite being less of a democracy than the United States because of how indifferent the speaker is to talking about China and the lack of opposition. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:36:37 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125506 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125932 The term limits has changed since the speech which detracts from his speech. In the speech, he talks about how the country is always improved with political reforms like term limits. Now that they are removed, it seems that the country may be taking a step back.]]> 2021-12-02 13:36:48 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925125932 One thing that has changed since this speech was China's term limits. It was removed by Xi. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925126503 2021-12-02 13:37:03 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925126503 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925126869 1) One connection he said to Chinese history was when he was talking about food stamps, and how China went from a poor agricultural country to one of the largest in the world.
    2) I find it surprising how in China someone could start at the bottom of the ranks and slowly make your way up. It's interesting how the prioritize patron client systems and loyal in China, especially compared to Russia.
    3) Something that has changed from when this was made is that the term limits were removed for the president to accommodate Xi Jinping.]]>     2021-12-02 13:37:11 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925126869     Questons https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925127234 1)  The Reforms under Deng and latter Xi improved on the errors of earlier governments(both Chinese and foreign alike).
    2) The defining characteristics of the CCP are in fact opposite to the western public's opinion.
    4) The advent of Covid-19 in Wuhan China and the subsequent response by China and latter the world most definitely harmed the Government and CCP's legitimacy.]]>     2021-12-02 13:37:20 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925127234     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925127946 1. He talks about the government being reopened
    2. I Found it surprising that he said the party is able to self-correct
    6. I don't think that the Chinese government has more legitimacy than the American government, because of the fact that in order to have a substantial say in government you have to work up through the bureaucracy. ]]>     2021-12-02 13:37:36 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925127946     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925128589 Something that I found surprising about the speech as how he told the audience that the position levels he was saying weren't moves from Karate Kid. I think the speaker was trying to talk down to the audience and undermine the "westernization." He also jokes about putting down US presidents comparing them to the Chinese systems. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:37:51 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925128589 2. I found it surprising how the Chinese meritocratic system has such an intricate hierarchy that requires people to rise through multiple ranks to gain power. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925129369 2021-12-02 13:38:08 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925129369 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925129610 A change that has occurred since this speech is the changing of term limits which detracts from his argument because Xi adapted it to benefit himself. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:38:15 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925129610 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925130767 2. Something that I found surprising about his speech was the amount of mobility that is in China. He said that there were a lot of entrepreneurs and opportunities.]]> 2021-12-02 13:38:43 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925130767 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925131461 Many things have changed to the Constitution from when this speech was given. Most of these changes were made by Xi Jinping and his ideas. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:39:00 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925131461 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925131577 I think that the Chinese government has more legitimacy that the United States, but it is not supported and is a forced legitimacy. Members have to agree with and support the party, unlike the US who has free speech and can inquire answers to their questions regarding the government to create their own opinions regarding legitimacy.]]> 2021-12-02 13:39:02 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925131577 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132586 1. The period of economic reform that lifted many people out of the poverty line went along with the household system and period of economic reform under Deng Xiaoping. 

    2. Despite being a one party system, they had such dramatic changes because the party was adapting to the people's needs. The party instituted term limits, revamped the land system, and put in economic reforms that transformed China's landscapes. 

    5. I think one of the arguments that I felt was a little on the weak side was his refutation of one-party systems being corrupt. His rebuttal involved speaking of the Politburo and how the Politburo is composed of 25 members, 20 of which are from poorer backgrounds. While that may be true, there is still only 25 members and the common people have no say in the legislation that has claimed to be for them. Under Xi Jinping, we see reform that abolished the term limits, calling back to Mao. All the reform done in the past seems to be slipping away, with slowing economic growth. And this is all under the current Politburo, the drivers of legislation in China. While making your way into a system is. great, what good is it when the source of legitimacy is competency deemed by standards of the party ideology and Constitution that have been there for decades rather than the people who can't even speak on the internet regarding what they truly feel. ]]>     2021-12-02 13:39:25 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132586     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132595 1) He discusses the Great Leap forward and the Quasi privatization. 
    2) I am surprised that the CCP has a lot of legitimacy even though it's just a one-party state. I also find it surprising that the party adapts and adjusts different policies easily.
    4) Something that has changed is term limits have been eliminated and this weakened legitimacy.
     ]]>     2021-12-02 13:39:25 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132595     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132602 I found it interesting as when he was describing the assumptions of China's government, he related them to leaders of non-democratic government. ]]> 2021-12-02 13:39:25 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132602 Two Systems https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132687
  • Ultimately, do you believe that the Chinese government has more legitimacy than the American government?
    1. The Chinese government seems to have more legitimacy because there is less opposition and large-scale economic reforms that have, by numbers, been successful. In America, the government is pretty contested right now, so we might not be the poster child for legitimacy anyways.

    • ]]>     2021-12-02 13:39:27 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132687     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132827 1. We learned about the great leap forward under Mao zedong and the agricultural downfall, and this was mentioned in his speech. 
    2. I thought it was surprising how businesses control was also something that was part of the meritocracy pyramid. He said the third level of the pyramid was high power roles, and I expected them to only be government related, like his example with running a district with a population of around a million, but he also mentioned being a business leader.
    3. I agreed when he talks about political legitimacy not only coming from a multiparty system with universal suffrage. There are definitely other sources of political legitimacy, evident in the optimism among Chinese people about their government. ]]>     2021-12-02 13:39:31 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925132827     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133313 6) I believe that the Chinese regime has less legitimacy than that of the American regime. While people dislike leaders that hold important offices, the American people believe in the offices themselves, while China merely represses criticism.]]> 2021-12-02 13:39:43 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133313 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133483 1. A connection between something he said in his speech that I have learned about in Chinese history is how the Great Leap Forward created economic decline throughout the country. 

    4. Something that has changed since he made this speech that detracts from his points is the term limits have recently been changed from being limited to two-consecutive 5 year terms to no longer existing since Xi got rid of these term limits. 

    6. Although both systems have vastly different methods of achieving legitimacy, I believe that American has more legitimacy than China because in America most policy is made in front of the public which increases political efficacy, while in China policy is made behind closed doors within the Central Committee. 


    ]]>     2021-12-02 13:39:47 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133483     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133484 1. China is a one party state run by the communist party.
    2. Adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy are the traits of the first party, and I am also surprised about how people in China used to mainly live on food stamps and how meat to hard to come by in China.
    6. America has more has more legitimacy than China because authoritarian political systems believe that they dont need democracy to be economicly successful.]]>     2021-12-02 13:39:47 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133484     I think that China has more legitimacy than the American government because 85% of the people are pleased with the government. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133756 2021-12-02 13:39:50 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925133756 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925134268 1.  One connection between something he said in his speech and what we learned about in Chinese history is that the communist party helped lift up the people who were in poverty and increase there economic growth and it the 2nd highest economic growth ever. 
    3. I agree with him when he said that China's  economic growth was the highest and even rising still now, and it was very impressive how its still rising and they got there. 
    4. Something that has changed is the term limit of the President has been eliminated which represented a shift in there government. ]]>     2021-12-02 13:40:02 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925134268     6. Yes, I think the Chinese government has greater legitimacy than the American government. The American government is poorly regarded by the people due to a lack of organization and competency. On the other hand, the Chinese government is organized through authoritarianism, allowing it to push policy easily. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925134794 2021-12-02 13:40:11 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925134794 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925352219 The great lead forward caused China to have a economic decrease which is also something we learned in Chinese history that he also mentions.]]> 2021-12-02 14:59:19 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925352219 2. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925355996 I was surprised that he accepted so much of the things that are bad about the one party state. I was surprised because I thought that if someone was aware of how everything was really happening that they wouldn't choose to support it. ]]> 2021-12-02 15:00:39 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925355996 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925356948 2. I find it surprising that even without a democratic system, China is still able to keep advancing in policies that benefit the overall population of people. ]]> 2021-12-02 15:01:00 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925356948 Questions 1, 4, 5 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925358447 1) One connection between something he said and something we learned in class is how he described that the Communist party lifted 650 million people out of poverty. Additionally, the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution were also things we learned about.
    4) One thing that changed since he made this speech that retracts from his point is the centralization of power under Xi Jinping, which goes against his speech about political reform.
    5) Most of his arguments were unfounded, especially the one that the communist party leads the world's political reform systems.]]>     2021-12-02 15:01:35 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925358447     2 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925359828 I was surprised by how meritocratic he portrayed the CCP. I imagined those born with power and wealth would have had a much higher advantage and would hold more of the higher positions. ]]> 2021-12-02 15:02:08 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925359828 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925360193 2. I think that it was surpsiring how he explained how China makes a one party system work, because one party systems tend to have corruption and the power falls into one hand 

    ]]>     2021-12-02 15:02:17 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925360193     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925360853 3. I would agree that China is very good at establishing new systems and policies that fix past dysfunctions. As time goes on it is evident that the Chinese government is able to improve on their past systems and policy.]]> 2021-12-02 15:02:33 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925360853 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925361787 1. He mentions the history of the CCP in China and how it has been able to adapt to numerous historical events and changes in 64 years of power, including the implementation of the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, and even earlier during the Chinese Civil War. 
    2. I find it surprising that only a small number of members of the Politburo come from noble, elite backgrounds, and that the majority come from entirely ordinary backgrounds and earned their positions through merit. I would have thought a one-party system would have favored giving positions of power to the socially and economically elite, who might be their allies.
    3. I agree with his statement that the CCP could be the world's most meritocratic government. The party is filled with officials who have their positions due to skill and merit, which is bolstered by the fact that elections are not there to interfere with the selection of officials based on merit.]]>     2021-12-02 15:02:56 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925361787     Questions https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925361863 2. I found it surprising that Chinas One party system faces as much criticism as it does since it is pretty successful and when talked about usually is under a good light.
    3. I agree with the statement that One party systems can be inherently difficult to uphold. A one party system due to the difficulty to self-correction and it is also difficult to uphold a democracy
    4. Since this speech was given term limits have been put in place However the new general secretary Xi has showed a tendency to change this to stay in power]]>     2021-12-02 15:02:58 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925361863     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925362642 1. After Deng's market liberalization, Hu Jinatu opened up CCP membership to capitalists (technocrats).
    2. China has had the biggest amount of development in human history, even though it has no voting. It is also the most meritocratic political system in the world.
    3. I think that the American government has more legitimacy because of elections and the public influence on the government. Also, even though China's economy has grown a lot, there is a huge wealth gap and many people are still stuck in poverty. ]]>     2021-12-02 15:03:16 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925362642     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925363042 What is connection between something he said in his speech and what we learned about in Chinese history?

    China's economy has grown tremendously from extreme hunger and poverty to becoming one of the largest economies in the world after Deng's reforms.

    What did you find surprising about the speech?

    I found it surprising that the speaker is defending China's political system and believes it to be the most meritocratic and politically reformed systems in the world.

    What did you agree with or disagree with?

    I disagree that merit is the "fundamental driver" in moving up their hierarchy as opposed to patronage.]]>     2021-12-02 15:03:26 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925363042     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925364182 1. There is the mention of the communist party itself and the historical event of the Great Leap Forward that changed the economy for China.
    2. How much China is a one-party state especially with how big the country itself is and how much legitimacy is established. 
    4. There has been a change of term limits which benefits Xi Jinping. ]]>     2021-12-02 15:03:53 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925364182     5. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925365854 I feel like parts of his arguments were a little unsupported. He would talk about something and say "you might think this, but no it's this..." and then he didn't really have much to support some of these things. I think that when he was talking about things like how broad and expansive China's policies are, he didn't have too many examples. There were definitely other things he said that didn't have much support or anything. Also, when he was talking about how Obama and Bush couldn't make it anywhere in China, he didn't really explain it. ]]> 2021-12-02 15:04:33 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925365854 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925366389 1. He talks about the history of china including events like the Great Leap Forward and the cultural revolution that we also studied in class. He then makes the point that the party has evolved from these policies making the point that the one party system allows for adaptability. 
    2. I found it surprising that he made the point that corruption is not prevalent in China's CCP. He made the point the party is well organized and consists of experts/intellects who had to compete to get to their position. 
    3.I found a weak point in his argument when he asserted that high/elite party members get higher up by competition and through their knowledge. However, he did not take into account that these "competitive positions" are only granted to those who already support the CCP and its beliefs, so it cannot truly be that competitive (in ideology). ]]>     2021-12-02 15:04:45 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925366389     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925366499 1. The speaker mentioned the Great Leap Forward in the speech, which we learned about previously.
    2. I was surprised that the speaker genuinely defended the political legitimacy and processes of the government. He defended people in the government who weren't elected because they're "competent."
    5. I found the argument the Chinese one-party government is legitimate to be weak. It's also an opinion I disagree with, because we just learned about how much of China's legitimacy is falsified.]]>     2021-12-02 15:04:47 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925366499     2. China is one of the most meritocratic system. I assumed that since they didn't try to gain legitimacy through voting, they wouldn't have to work for their position. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925367901 2021-12-02 15:05:23 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925367901 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368220 1. One connection between what he said in his speech and what we learned about Chinese history that the CCP helped lifted people out of poverty with their wide range of policies that helped uplift the people and shape up China has one of the world's superpowers
    2. One thing that I found surprising was the fact that the top members of the party being people who came from mostly ordinary backgrounds and that the party has one of the best upward mobility.
    6. I think that even with both governments having vastly different systems, America's government has the most legitimacy, mostly because most of the top members of the government are not making policies behind closed doors. Although the Chinese government is strong in itself and has its own merits, with systems that are put into place that help uplift the country constantly.]]>     2021-12-02 15:05:30 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368220     1. https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368673 He talks about events we've learned about like the Great Leap Forward. Also, things about the communist party and it's hierarchy.]]> 2021-12-02 15:05:41 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368673 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368810 5. I found a flaw in his argument that in comparison to U.S. Presidents, Xi Jinping is able to lead larger groups of people more effectively. This adds nothing to the argument. The focus should have stayed on the topic of Chinese government. Discussing the U.S. was not relevant. ]]> 2021-12-02 15:05:44 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368810 3 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368816 While I agree with his portrayal of China as an efficient and legitimate system, I feel he is ignoring the civil liberties provided by liberal countries to their citizens. ]]> 2021-12-02 15:05:44 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925368816 https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925369030 1. Great leap forward was alluded to when he was talking about how he grew up on food stamps and how the government had to help out with food rations 
    2. I found it surprising the Xi started as a village manager and worked his way up. 
    3. I disagree with the fact that Obama or bush couldn't be a governor in China.  In reality our leaders are some of the best in the world. ]]>     2021-12-02 15:05:50 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925369030     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925369729 2. I thought it was surprising how he talked about China's regime and government being adaptable and legitimate and not as restrictive as they are portrayed to be. Competency instead of voting is seen as its source of legitimacy. By vetting out government officers, there is somewhat technocratic involvement in the government.
    5. He says that the CCP is a leading expert in rapid political reform and meritocracy, though he never compares it with specific examples from other countries. ]]>     2021-12-02 15:06:06 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925369729     https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925560758 1. We learned of the Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, and Deng and his technocratic focus. He uses these different eras of Chinese history to conclude that China has had one of the most wide-ranging policy beliefs in the world, and that the beliefs have adapted with time. 
    2. His argument about China having wide-ranging policy beliefs is unsupported because they had different ECONOMIC policies, but their politics remained the same. The communist ideology raised China and continues in the country today. Even when Deng took over he put several market reforms in place but stood firm to the point of massacre to protect communism.
    3. I find it interesting and surprising that he finds the legitimacy of the Party and country to be found in Mao saving the country from ruin. That is...not legitimacy, they had to save the country or everyone would be at risk. He skips over the Great Leap Forward and the immense famine that wiped out masses of the Chinese population. ]]>     2021-12-02 16:24:07 UTC https://padlet.com/stephenhairgrove/m75fmoec4b18d5zi/wish/1925560758