EDSP 640 Spring 2022 AAC Exploration by Mike https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac Share your insights related to our exploration of AAC en-us 2016-09-21 14:37:16 UTC 2022-04-26 01:34:35 UTC hello@padlet.com Communicate with this board mmatp https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142321037 Using just the words on this board:
Could you actively participate in your virtual meetings? What is missing from this?
What barriers would you face related to communication?
]]> 2022-04-13 12:36:50 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142321037 Explore AAC Apps mmatp https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142322298 Explore the list of AAC apps on Canvas
 
Report back on features of apps. Ease of Use? Options for symbols / words? Organization of Language?]]> 2022-04-13 12:37:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142322298 Question 1 mmatp https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142336531 How does the focus on communicative competencies lead to greater independence of use?]]> 2022-04-13 12:49:13 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142336531 Question 2 mmatp https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142337335 What type of prompting leads to independence versus those that create prompt dependency?]]> 2022-04-13 12:49:50 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142337335 Question 3 mmatp https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142338637 Share two key takeaways that you could utilize to be a better communication partner to an AAC user. ]]> 2022-04-13 12:50:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2142338637 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2145603365 This AAC board does not allow someone to fully participate in an online meeting because it is very limited in terms of what vocabulary it has. Specifically, this board is lacking opinion words like "agree" and "disagree". It would be difficult to participate in online meetings because a lot of what we discuss in class involves personal experiences and opinions. It would be very difficult to participate in a productive discussion without being able to easily express your opinion.
- Cassidy ]]> 2022-04-16 18:07:30 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2145603365 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147051726 It would be difficult to participate in virtual meetings while only using this board. Although there are ways to communicate with it, there are many words and phrases that would be difficult to communicate. For example, there is no way to say you have a question or you do not understand something. I think this board would help someone respond to other's ideas/thoughts, but it would be difficult to express your own ideas and thoughts while only using this board. -Alyssa Evanik]]> 2022-04-18 14:29:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147051726 AAC Activity #2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147068945 The first app I explored was "Flashables 50 English Audio" This app was created to help children with autism who have delays in speech development. The child is given a set of pictures of favorite foods or toys, when the child wants one of these items, they show the picture to communicate. The app was easy to use, it had a list of activities and when you click on one it shows a drawing of someone doing that activity. For example, if you click on "drawing" it shows a picture of a child drawing. The app is available in English, Chinese, and Japanese. The second app I explored was "Talk To Me 100" This app was also easy to use. It had a board of simple words and little visuals to go along with it. When you tap on one of the squares, a child's voice says the word. This app was created to help children who are learning to talk or who have difficulty with verbal expression. Both of these apps are simple, easy to use, and can be very helpful to someone who struggles with expression. -Alyssa Evanik]]> 2022-04-18 14:42:58 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147068945 Question 1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147102886 The focus on communicative competence leads to greater independence because individuals are able to express their thoughts and feelings even if they have trouble with verbal communication. In the video it was mentioned that independence does not only mean if someone can use their device, but it is about where the message is coming from. Regardless of age or communication development, AAC should help the individual to be able to say what they want to say, to whomever, and whenever they want to say it. Independence is not just about being able to push buttons, but being able to express what you want to say to others. -Alyssa Evanik]]> 2022-04-18 15:10:24 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147102886 Question 2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147103309 Physical prompting can create a dependency, rather than lead to independence. You should not be physically moving the child’s hands to prompt them. Prompting that can lead to independence includes pausing in between to give the individuals opportunities, gesture towards or light shadow and pause, and point or light to 2 items and pause. Physical cues such as hand under hand leads to more dependency rather than independence. -Alyssa Evanik]]> 2022-04-18 15:10:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147103309 Question 3 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147103928 One takeaway that I could utilize to be a better communication partner to an AAC user is to give descriptive feedback. Rather than just saying “great job!” it is important to acknowledge what they communicated and say it back to them if possible. For example, you can respond to something by saying “Great, you asked for more food, here it is.” Another takeaway I had is not to have low expectations. We need to have high expectations and give the individuals opportunities to show what they can do. You must allow for mistakes, allow independent thoughts, and not over correct the individual. -Alyssa Evanik]]> 2022-04-18 15:11:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147103928 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147529686 Using the board would be a challenge in virtual meetings, but not impossible.  It would entirely be based on what is discussed in the meeting.  While the board is designed is offer generalized responses, rather than anything specific,  and even though there is a SPELL/NUMBER key, it may still be difficult to use even if it provides all letters and numbers.  The board is designed for nonverbal people, who may not have a fully developed vocabulary, creating further issues.  If the board were to be used in a meeting, all participants need to be aware that someone is using it and need to be aware of potential delays or limited responses. - Dave B]]> 2022-04-18 20:41:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147529686 Grid Player/Dialogue ACC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147561015 The first app I explored was Grid Player.  Grid Player is an AAC board designed for low or nonverbal people.  What separates Grid Player is that the board and the images can be edited and personalized.  Though you need an account to use the AAC, there are over 24,000 symbols available for use, male and female voices, word prediction and the ability to copy completed sentences.  There are also over 1,000 talking photographs that can be used to convey actions on top of thousands of words.  Finally, instant phrases are also available. Despite the benefits, the app appears to be available in English only.

The second AAC I explored was Dialogue AAC.  The app is designed for more customization, particularly in more specific and professional settings. The app works like other AAC boards, but allows the user to create their own language system by personalizing their own words, saving them for different occasions and even recording their own words, or someone else's, voice.  This allows the user, if able, to potentially use their own voice in specific settings, providing applicability to topic-specific meetings.
-Dave B]]> 2022-04-18 21:14:13 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147561015 Question 2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147574193 Prompting that nurtures independence include waiting for responses, rephrasing or repeating questions, and engaging in an "I do, you do" model.  Furthermore, having a social interaction/communication with someone can help fuel independency.

Prompting that can hinder independence include guiding or moving the person towards specific responses, being impatient, or answering for the person.  

 -Dave B]]> 2022-04-18 21:28:27 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147574193 Question 1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147586879 A focus on communicative competencies lead to greater independence by incorporating the user's own words, voice and personal preferences into the AAC.  When using generic AAC, the user is using someone else's predetermined vocabulary and syntax.  AAC that can incorporate personalization, such as personalized vocab, as well as digitized and synthesized speech can allow the user to express themselves as an individually as possible.  Additionally, the AAC needs to have proper accessibility and opportunity in order the foster adequate independence.
-Dave B]]> 2022-04-18 21:43:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147586879 Question 3 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147591127 The first takeaway is to be familiar with the AAC.  I need to be 100% aware of what the AAC is capable of. Can the user answer specific or complex questions, or are they limited to simple and generalized phrases?  Can the AAC be personalized for specific discussions?  How does the device integrate with the environment the user is in? I would need to be aware of all considerations with the device in use. The second takeaway is to be more aware of the individual's communicative competencies, such as syntax and grammatical knowledge. By knowing the individual, I can better help understand what the user intended with their AAC assisted speech as well as help personalize questions, and the AAC itself, for the user.

-Dave B ]]> 2022-04-18 21:48:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147591127 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147729963 An online meeting with just this board will be possible but incomplete. It does not have all the required components for a meaningful communication. For example, the body language aspect of communication is missing, which is the range of nonverbal signals that people use to communicate feelings and intentions. These include posture, facial expressions, and hand gestures. The ability to understand and interpret other people's body language can help communicators to pick up on unspoken issues or feelings, which is impossible using the AAC board alone in online meeting.
Lucy


]]> 2022-04-19 00:36:14 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147729963 AAC Activity #2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147743019 The app Talk For Me -translates text to speech in an amazing way. It was designed and engineered by someone who lost the ability to speak. This app allows you to type in the main text area or tap one of the six main custom buttons and your iOS device will talk for you by saying the words that you have typed. Great tool for children with developmental and speech delays.
Lucy]]> 2022-04-19 00:46:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147743019 Question 1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147753975 THE FOCUS ON COMMUNICATION COMPETENCE allows a communicator to center the individual. It permits the speaker to adapt to the needs and be reactive to the feedback from the listener. By focusing on communicative competence,  people can enhance conversations with ELLs and the conversation often becomes more meaningful to both the listener and the speaker.
Lucy


]]> 2022-04-19 00:55:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147753975 Question 2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147762637 Prompt dependency is the situation where the child is limited to being told what to do.  For the child to perform the task , instruction must be given by a second party, otherwise, the child will not know what to do on it's own, but depends on the prompt. In essence, the child can be said to be dependent because the child must be told or modeled what needs to be done in order for the child to respond accordingly.
Lucy]]> 2022-04-19 01:02:57 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147762637 Question 3 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147773203 Take-away 1: To be a great communicator, you must choose your words and communication tools well, understand your audience, and connect with the audience in the right way, the right time and place. It requires some practice to master the skills and learn how to be an effective communicator to a particular person, according to their individual needs or limitations.


Take-away 2: Successful communication usually requires the two or more parties to be active in the conversation. Therefore, the other party is not active because of a personal limitation, the speaker has to look for ways to engage the audience.
Lucy


]]> 2022-04-19 01:11:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2147773203 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2148509598 I think it would be difficult to communicate with just the words on this board during a virtual meeting. There are many vocabulary words that are missing that would be required to be able to actively participate in the meeting. This board would not allow someone to talk about their own experiences, ask a question, or state their opinion. 
- Gab Mahoney]]> 2022-04-19 12:41:57 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2148509598 AAC Activity #1: Kristen https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2151118452 The AAC board would be difficult to use in an online setting because you would not be able to meet all four functions for communication. Social closeness and exchange of informations would be difficult because you would have to scan the pictures quickly, especially if there was more than 2 people on the call.  This would also limits what you can say and respond to as it is not meant to encompass our whole language, but just a short part of it.  Other limitations would be if you had to hold this up to the screen, that would be difficult for others to see and would get tiring fast.  Although you could participate in the meeting, it would not be as an active participant.
-Kristen S. ]]> 2022-04-20 23:37:49 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2151118452 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2151209770 The AAC board would be difficult to use in a virtual meeting because you wouldn't be able to converse everything that you may need to. There is also a wait time that comes into play when using an AAC board. There would be things that are not on the board that you need to say or explain to the people in the meeting. The board makes the conservation limited. 
Niki]]> 2022-04-21 01:02:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2151209770 AAC Activity #2: Kristen https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152516325 I had trouble accessing some on Canvas, so I searched on my phone and found Spoken-Tap to Talk AAC.  This app learns the way you speak and helps fill in words that you are having trouble getting out.  It has a picture and word list for you to pick from.  It's easy to use and not a huge menu like a PECS board, but enough to get you what you need.  
-Kristen S. ]]> 2022-04-21 18:31:59 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152516325 Question 1: Kristen https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152542572 Focusing on the communicative competencies allows the person to say what they want, to who they want, and when they want to say it.  You not only look at the linguistic aspect, but also the social, operational, and strategic functionings with the AAC device. These aspects allow the person to have an individual personality with their device. It allows them the freedom to communicate as everyone else does. 
-Kristen S.]]> 2022-04-21 18:51:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152542572 Question 2: Kristen https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152546378 Prompting in the video needed to be removed in order for the child to make decisions on his own and allow modeling and wait time.  Physical prompting is the most dependent and gestural prompting the least, but with all prompting you need to make sure you fade it out so that the person is independent.  Over use of any form of prompting leads to dependency.
-Kristen S. ]]> 2022-04-21 18:54:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152546378 Question 3: Kristen https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152564927 First takeaway: Make sure I am a model for the person and give enough wait time.  I need to make sure that I am not guessing what they want, but allow them enough time to get their thoughts across.

Second takeaway: The sad thought that there are many people who are older and have not been given a AAC device because others thought they did not have the skills to use them or that they had nothing to say.  

-Kristen S.]]> 2022-04-21 19:10:05 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2152564927 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154236281 I think it would be difficult to participate in virtual meetings while only using this board. I think this board is a great tool for those that are non verbal. I have specifically seen this used in a preschool setting which allows the para professional and teacher to know whether a child is hungry, tired, or needs a break. As a college student, having a detailed conversation or asking questions could be very difficult to achieve with this board. 

 -Nicole Ponzio]]> 2022-04-23 00:13:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154236281 AAC Activity #2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154239113 An app I explored was featured on Kate Ahern's Pinterest page. She had several apps that included assistive technology for special education. Piktoplus seemed like a great tool for students for communication. Although the app itself is in Spanish, I was able to tell from the images provided that it was a communication app to helps adults and others understand students who may not speak clearly or non are verbal. 

-Nicole Ponzio]]> 2022-04-23 00:19:16 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154239113 Question 1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154270138 The focus on communicative competencies leads to greater independence of use in several ways. Communication devices especially allow children to express there feelings and also allows children to express their feeling whether it was by doing, showing or physically.

-Nicole Ponzio]]> 2022-04-23 01:29:05 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154270138 Question 2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154272409 Prompting that leads to independence includes showing/modeling and having the child try to complete the task on their own after. Modeling especially, helps children become independent but being sure to not prompt too much so that children can practice on their own is important too. 

-Nicole Ponzio]]> 2022-04-23 01:33:40 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154272409 Question 3 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154274647 First takeaway: Modeling and being patient while the child is learning is especially important. 

Second takeaway: Communication is extremally important. If a child does not have a communication device and only receives program such as speech, it can cause a delay in their learning. 

-Nicole Ponzio]]> 2022-04-23 01:38:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2154274647 AAC Activity #1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2156650327 Using this board to participate in virtual meetings would prove to be challenging. Relying solely on the board as a way to communicate would not offer a way to actively participate in the conversations. The board does offer a way for users to generate some general responses that they could use to others ideas but it does not easily allow users to offer their unique perspectives, questions, or comments. -Shannon Jordan]]> 2022-04-25 14:25:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2156650327 AAC Activity 1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157289304 Could you actively participate in your virtual meetings? It is something you can do but it is limited with the phrases you can create. I think this is on a very preschool/ kindergarten level
What is missing? It is missing emotions and feelings, as well as the phrases needed to agree with reasoning, beyond yes and no. It is missing question words such as how, why, when. Therefore you would not be able to ask your professor, " When is the article due in classroom?" It is missing the ability to ask detailed and elaborate questions, but it does provide basic options for someone who may be using a choice board on their ipad because they are non verbal and need to phrase something rather quickly and briefly.
What barriers would you face related to communication? The barriers I would face would again to be able to ask detail about a situation, infer, question, discuss emotions, give an opinion, or really state major observations. - Amanda Brown]]> 2022-04-25 20:11:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157289304 AAC Activity #2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157296445 I had trouble with the links, but I researched this topic and found this site. https://www.educationalappstore.com/blog/communication-apps-for-children-with-autism/

I explored SayIt! It is a text-to-speech tool compatible with iPhones and iPads and includes phrase boards

I also explored Lil’ Requester, which was created by parents to help students who struggle with social communication challenges. The app helps children make decisions and feel independent as well as express themselves. Some of the phrases it includes are places, people, emotions,  and activities. I think both of these apps would help nonverbal children, children with speech delays, and others with communication impairments be able to communicate to their parents, teachers and peers. - Amanda Brown]]> 2022-04-25 20:17:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157296445 Wait for it...AAC Independence https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157316808 I don't really understand the question, so I will make note of a few of my observations from the videos. I liked the clip of the little boy with the pacifier. Although, I find it interesting that he appears to not participate in speech, when he has a pacifier in his mouth. Pacifiers limit speech in children. I liked the model and wait method the therapist was using because it allows the child to hear to word, followed by what that word should look like in context. I love how he can use his prompts on the Ipad to say bye to important people and talk about his day, which gives him independence when his words are not available. The app gives this boy a voice. I learned that autonomous communication means that an individual can say what they want, to who they want, whenever they want. According to Janice Light, we should use the four aspects mentioned in the video in order to create competent communicators. The categories are linguistic, social, strategic, and I missed the 4th. It is sad to think that some children go years without the proper speech therapy or communication devices because they lost so many opportunities to express themselves. I like the clip of Mike Cole's baby daughter playing with food. He was introducing an ipad with four options. It was the first time she was using it. He was modeling what to do when a word was spoken, such as " eat" I think teaching babies multiple ways of expressing themselves is important. - Amanda Brown]]> 2022-04-25 20:31:54 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157316808 Wait for it...AAC Independence https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157328440 What type of prompting leads to independence versus those that create prompt dependency?
Any over prompting a child may lead to dependency and should be gradually eliminated as the child progresses in their speech development. Perhaps when we are looking for an action from the child, such as brushing their teeth, a verbal prompt can be eliminated since we are not asking them to say " brush your teeth" Prompts can be least and most invasive. With good intentions, we start with most to least. But people have to learn to remember to fade their prompts. Instead, when we work from most independence and start to scaffold their communication supports. The video said we should avoid physical prompting. For example, hand over hand may lead to a person reacting to the physical aspect instead of the task at hand. We should pause between steps of a prompting hierarchy so the individual has the chance to respond. We should be observational and react. The chain of cues includes least to most prompting. It replaces physical prompts with modeling. If someone truly does not understand you can touch the screen or flip a book, THEN you can physically prompt them and quickly stop. For someone not yet independently using AAC you can model and show them speaking on the AAC tool, provide wait time, give indirect cues, point prompting, and model behavior. For students that are more independent, you can utilize wait time, responding through modeling, and waiting. -Amanda Brown]]> 2022-04-25 20:42:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157328440 Wait for it...AAC Independence https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157336034 Share two key takeaways that you could utilize to be a better communication partner to an AAC user.

I agree with some of my classmates that it is imperative to know the technology well, give detailed praise and feedback, understand their communication difficulties and be familiar with the challenges that it entails. 
A few things I learned were the importance of providing individuals with a voice and a way to communicate as well as not delaying the process. Understanding your child, or your students from the start is important so you can help them right away. I also learned that if prompting levels are not improving we can raise our expectations, re-evaluate functions that the child may need, or change how we use the tools. I really liked the part of the video that talks about giving descriptive feedback. It is specific to the communication behavior and an example might be, " Great job asking for more pizza, here is your pizza to eat!" Or " You asked for the glue, what do you need to glue?" We can make ourselves better communication partners by giving more feedback, rather than just confirming. It is also not asking, " did you mean more pizza?" It allows them the chance to expand on what they said and it shows that you heard AND understood them. - Amanda Brown]]> 2022-04-25 20:48:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157336034 Question 2 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157612961 The first type of prompting we saw from the video was modeling and waiting. In the video, we see Mike waiting for the child to utilize AAC to communicate what he wanted. Once he communicated that want, Mike was able to do what was asked, which was "go". He played for a little and stopped in an effort to motivate the child to utilize AAC once again to communicate. This prompting from Mike is a way to encourages independence from the user. A prompt that would lead to dependency from the user would be hand over hand prompting. -Shannon Jordan]]> 2022-04-26 01:23:32 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157612961 Question 3 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157620468 Takeaway #1: As Mike demonstrates in the video of the child he was working with, it is crucial to provide the user with enough "wait" time while using AAC to ensure that their wants/needs are being authentically met.

Takeaway #2: The general best practice of providing descriptive feedback is just as important when it comes to AAC. This allows users to be assured that their needs/wants were correctly interpreted. This gives them reassurance and also confidence in their ability to communicate effectively with others. -Shannon Jordan]]> 2022-04-26 01:29:16 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157620468 Question 1 https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157627202 Focusing on communicative competencies can lead to greater independence by giving the user the confidence in their ability to communicate effectively through the means of AAC. Individuals who struggle with verbal communication can find it much easier to share their wants, needs, opinions, etc. Being able to not only properly physically use the device, but also create communication that is accurate and reflects what you intend creates the desired goal of autonomy while communicating. -Shannon Jordan]]> 2022-04-26 01:34:35 UTC https://padlet.com/mmatp/edsp640aac/wish/2157627202